Well said...

[b_shark]

The players need to take responsibility, and keep out of trouble. If they can't do it by themselves, then the club needs to hire a Nanny.

Yes. True.

ffs -we are talking about adults - a belief that they need minders (as some clubs have down) or even more "nannies" will make the situation even worse - they will never ever then be in a situation where they have to make a moral decision because there will always be someone protecting them from the consequences of a bad decision - all this will do is stop them getting in trouble with the cops - its not going to change the attitide to women, violence drugs etc etc. i bloody love rugby league and as a female I cop sh*t from heaps of friends for continuing to support the game - I don't want either the attitude or behaviour to be part of the game. :evil:

 

[Sharkie73]

How will they dress if it go's to court??? A pair of boardies, sandles and a T Shirt. I think not I work in an area where I see people come into be interviewed by police. for the most part joe blow of the street comes in dressed in a respectful manner. These players are firstly reprasenting there club and secondly the NRL. They need to take a good hard look at there attitudes . After all kids look up to these people what message does it send to them???

 

[Nages]

1 - The Bulldogs (through a Mortimer) have basically admitted that 'something' happened at Coffs Harbour. I think it was referred to as 'immoral' or something along those lines.

Yep! a very Catholic thing to say at a Catholic club. It is Immoral for 6 of you guys to do that. Illegal, no.
I have no moral problem with it, nor do many others.

Be very careful and specific how you react to these allegations, boys...

The injuries this girl sustained during her ‘incident’ are something I would hope any man would have a VERY large moral problem with. If you like a consensual gang bang – say so with pride. I would not, however, associate yourself with what happen to that girl.

 

[Objective One]

Do you have sources Nages?......BTR asserts that he has seen this type of thing "a hundred times" and it's all just second thoughts after the consensual fact. The original news reports of the alleged orifices and medical confirmation of the range of orifices sounded damning but do not necessarily rule out consent. However, other injuries would support resistance or coercion, bolstering a lack of consent. With the time that has elapsed, you can only assume consent is what it is down to and the hunt continues to find some independent evidence to support or discredit either the alleged victim's or the players' version of events. Can only hope this is resolved soon because it ain't going to go awayv until there is a clear answer on charges or no charges.

 

[Nages]

Do you have sources Nages?......BTR asserts that he has seen this type of thing "a hundred times" and it's all just second thoughts after the consensual fact. The original news reports of the alleged orifices and medical confirmation of the range of orifices sounded damning but do not necessarily rule out consent. However, other injuries would support resistance or coercion, bolstering a lack of consent. With the time that has elapsed, you can only assume consent is what it is down to and the hunt continues to find some independent evidence to support or discredit either the alleged victim's or the players' version of events. Can only hope this is resolved soon because it ain't going to go awayv until there is a clear answer on charges or no charges.

I do have some information about the injuries that would make it difficult to explain away as consentual, but that's not the point.

I just think it's dangerous to talk it up as nothing when no one really knows what happened yet. If she was raped, then you don't want to have said you and your mates think that kind of thing is fine. That's why I think you need to be specific.

 

[Objective One]

Couldn't agree more. Don't see how anyone can be dismissive of this.

 

[blacktip-reefy]

For the record nages, & everybody who knows my posts would not try to twist it, I don't condone rape.
But having seen many similar incedents, I know what a tricky situation it can be.
You had also want to hope that you don't know any more than anybody else in regards to the facts of this case. As that would mean it comes from one source. & a few people would want to speak to you. That is far more scary than being "specific" on this forum.

 

[Nages]

For the record nages, & everybody who knows my posts would not try to twist it, I don't condone rape.
But having seen many similar incedents, I know what a tricky situation it can be.
You had also want to hope that you don't know any more than anybody else in regards to the facts of this case. As that would mean it comes from one source. & a few people would want to speak to you. That is far more scary than being "specific" on this forum.

Look Reefy,

Wasn't trying to twist your words and certainly wasn't suggesting you think like that. I'm certain you don't. All I'm saying is that we need to be careful when referring to this situation because thoughtless words and phrases CAN be taken the wrong way.

I don't agree with you on this issue, but didn't mean any offence.

 

[blacktip-reefy]

Will you agree with me if there are no charges laid?
Few charges laid & proven innocent?

I will agree with anyone bagging the supposed "f U" attitide the dogs are showing when it comes to attire. Not because of respect, but because they were too stupid to see that it would cause a negative perception in some peoples eyes.

 

[Nages]

Will you agree with me if there are no charges laid?
Few charges laid & proven innocent?

I will agree with anyone bagging the supposed "f U" attitide the dogs are showing when it comes to attire. Not because of respect, but because they were too stupid to see that it would cause a negative perception in some peoples eyes.

We seem to be arguing about slightly different things, anyway.

I don’t think any of those players were too stupid to think the way they were dressed would be perceived as negative. I think they knew all too well, but just didn’t care.

As such, I already agree with you on that score. I guess I just group that “F U” attitude with a lack of respect for the club, the fans and the police.