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Is that where they are going to move the Rocky sports ground ? Those bloody university couldn't share Dowling st with the rugby clubs .
I like Dowling St because it was only a walk away from the pubs and clubs .

Go Rocky ! Wallaroo's, Sharks, Raiders and Rams .
 

fieldo

Juniors
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Yes Lark hill apparently.......quite impressive I am told.

Rugby Union on one side and League on the other....

Close to being one club they are so close.
 

eels_fan_01

Bench
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I heard many rugby experts saying the force would be close to making the finals and had a good team. Well what happened their? Im not a big rugby fan i just know the players from warathas and wallabies.
 

fieldo

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There was always a shortage of quality RU players in Australia and until the ARU gets off their arses and buys some decent league players it will always be the same.
 
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There will always a shortage of quality RU players in Australia and until the ARU get off their arses and start a professional National Club/Franchise/Provincial competition .
The playing numbers is there but playing club amateur level then jump into professional S14 is too much .
 

fieldo

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I believe you are right....development from the bottom probably needs a look at.....it will take some time...league has been professional for over 100 years and they still have not got it right so union has some catching to do.
 

Matterhorn

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It just shows there is not enough depth for 4 sides in australia.

A big vacuum has been created with not enough quality players going around.
 
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New Zealand has depth and it shows .
South Africa has depth but they just need proper coaching and skills work like the other two .
Australia has the depth but they need a professional national club comp like the other two .
 

yankeerugger

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Australia has the depth but they need a professional national club comp like the other two

The fact that this has not been realized, or worked on in the past 15 years is one thing that frustrates me so much about the ARU....

When are they going to open their eyes and actually do something about this!:evil:
 

fieldo

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sorry Union is a long way off a national league...... like NZ....it wasn't until the 1990's that the NPC was born and prior to that they had just the Ranfury shield...and rugby in NZ is like Aussie Rules is in Victoria
 

fieldo

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Union probably thinks it is just not big enough in Australia for such a competition....easy and cheaper to support 4 teams.....

A National comp in Union would be difficult at this stage I believe.

Under test and super 14 there is a massive drop in standard and support.[-(
 

Te Kaha

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fieldo said:
sorry Union is a long way off a national league...... like NZ....it wasn't until the 1990's that the NPC was born and prior to that they had just the Ranfury shield...and rugby in NZ is like Aussie Rules is in Victoria

You might want to check your facts on that one.... While the semi and fial format has only been around for a couple of decades the "NPC" has been around in various forms a tad longer than that
 

Twizzle

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here's one way to boost the Force's ranks

How Giteau deal may change rugby
By Peter Jenkins
April 21, 2006

AUSTRALIA centre Matt Giteau could be the catalyst for a ground-breaking salary cap in Australian rugby union.

The chase for the world-class Brumbies star - spiked by rumours that he could earn $900,000 a season if he signs for Western Force - has the ARU nervous about how to handle the danger of spiralling payments to top-end players.

Giteau's shift to Perth is imminent with The Daily Telegraph able to reveal his manager was there yesterday to meet with potential corporate backers prepared to help bankroll the move.

It is the rise of third-party deals that have Queensland boss Theo Psaros calling for a salary cap and Brumbies chief executive Andrew Fagan having an open mind on the idea.

Both fear third-party arrangements will be more readily available in the Perth and Sydney markets and are already being leveraged as key recruitment tools.

The Reds and Brumbies believe it could leave them struggling to compete for leading players unless funds are sourced from elsewhere in the future.

"We would reserve the right to look at options, a salary cap or something else, if we genuinely felt the game's interests were being jeopardised," ARU operations chief Rob Clarke said last night.

"We would always want to ensure provinces don't go broke and we would also do whatever we could to protect the integrity of the contracting process.

"I think there's also been a new dimension come into play with the number and (worth) of third party agreements on the increase across the board."

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Players can access the corporate dollar, as long as their agents attract the off-field income. Provinces are not allowed to attract the sponsors as part of negotiations.

But it remains one of two grey areas in the existing contract system.

The other is a so-called gentlemen's agreement where provinces put a ceiling on Super 14 salaries of around $110,000 - before match payments plus car and accommodation extras are added.

The ARU then provides top-ups for leading players and an incentive of more than $10,000 a Test.

There are claims that Giteau is being dangled more than $200,000 extra per season to go to Perth.

Waratahs boss Fraser Neill says "three kitchen sinks" have been tossed at Giteau.

Force chief executive Peter O'Meara denied he had offered Giteau an increase on the terms the Force tabled to the ARU, or that the franchise had secretly stitched together third-party sponsorships.

"No three kitchen sinks here," he said. "We haven't even thrown one. But if player managers get off their arses and find opportunities to build a player's profile ... we do have a very strong commercial precinct here, probably a lot stronger than Canberra."

For that reason, Fagan is wary of third-party deals which rugby league includes in its salary cap.

There is no doubt the advent of the Force has ramped up bidding for key players.

But Giteau is the first marquee Wallaby to test the water with all four franchises.

The result is that ARU officials are worried third-party deals could see sponsorship funds, earmarked for a state's grassroots, go to pay players.

Rugby Union Players Association boss Tony Dempsey said his union would oppose any move towards a salary cap.

"We are proponents of free market forces," he said.

Dempsey also claimed the perception that Super 14 teams could only pay players a maximum $110,000 a year was false.

He said the collective bargaining agreement between the ARU and RUPA - which runs until 2008 - banned collusion between state unions and the ARU to limit player payments.

The Daily Telegraph

http://foxsports.news.com.au/story/0,8659,18872985-23217,00.html
 

Palms

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For the Forces' sake I hope they can grab atleast a win..will be hard without Hilgendorf leading them around at flyhalf though
 

girvie

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They were very unlucky tonight. I thought they should have won. I thought the Sare no try in the corner at the end should have been awarded.
 

SpaceMonkey

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girvie said:
They were very unlucky tonight. I thought they should have won. I thought the Sare no try in the corner at the end should have been awarded.

Yeah I thought the Force were a little hard done by with that call too. The Crusaders were lazy, they turned up expecting a win and very nearly got done. Full credit to John Mitchell who obviously used his knowleedge of the Crusaders players and coach to formulate a gameplan to tackle them.
 
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The Force almost put tears in my eyes and were seconds away from the biggest upset of the century .
What a game ! What a colourful crowd of over 30,000 who came to watch a game between the top and the last place team .
Good on the Force and with Matt Giteau and Kannar things will get better next year .
 

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