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What does your top 5 greatest NRL players of all time list look like?

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Well yeah, the immortals is just a RLW marketing gimmick no doubt.

The question comes down to what standard we judge potential entrants. If the hall of fame was only to include the same echelon of player currently considered for immortal status, then both Slater and Smith miss out. Unluckily for them really because both could have good arguments made for them.

My personal opinion is that a proper NRL run HoF is the ONLY real solution. I'd even like to see the standard loosened slightly to include a whole plethora of players who havd missed out on immortal status. Both Smith and probably Slater would fall into this category.
You seriously think Cameron Smith is not good enough? He's as close as a sure thing as you can get.

Read my subsequent post.

Here it is.
 

The_Shield

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Read my subsequent post.

Here it is.

I did read it. My question still stands. You seriously think that Cameron Smith isn't good enough? His done practically everything he can in the game. His won just about every award he can except the Clive Churchill medal. He holds the record for most state of origin games. Also the most state of origin wins. He will pass Darren Lockyer next year for the most NRL games played. Pretty sure he's closing in on the most goals kicked as well. If that's not good enough, then what the hell is?
 
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blaza88z

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I did read it. My question still stands. You seriously think that Cameron Smith isn't good enough? His done practically everything he can in the game. His won just about every award he can except the Clive Churchill medal. He holds the record for most state of origin games. Also the most state of origin wins. He will pass Darren Lockyer next year for the most NRL games played. Pretty sure he's closing in on the most goals kicked as well. If that's not good enough then, what the hell is?

That's a significant accolade to not have next to your name if you want to go down as an all time great, I am not saying he's not one of the greats of the game as he clearly is but up until last year's grand final experts were saying that unless JT won a title his career (as a key playmaker) would always have an asterix beside it, not only did he do that but he won the Clive Churchill medal
 
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I did read it. My question still stands. You seriously think that Cameron Smith isn't good enough? His done practically everything he can in the game. His won just about every award he can except the Clive Churchill medal. He holds the record for most state of origin games. Also the most state of origin wins. He will pass Darren Lockyer next year for the most NRL games played. Pretty sure he's closing in on the most goals kicked as well. If that's not good enough then, what the hell is?

Well a Clive Churchill Medal wouldn't hurt.

Also, no member of the existing immortals has won less than 2 premierships.

No doubt, he's a good player. In fact, he's truly one of the all time greats and is well worthy of consideration. Put him with the current batch though, and he's genuinely the 9th best player out of 9.

Assuming you could choose only 1. Do you think Thurston or Smith is more worthy?
 

The_Shield

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I rate him a better player then Beetson, Lewis and Johns, I've never seen the others play so I can't say about them.

As for Thurston or Smith. If I could only choose one, I'd have to give it to Thurston. He's the only player i'd put in there instead of Smith
 

kdalymc

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Wasn't wally Lewis's first grade career at the end of his career? How good actually was he for the broncos?
 

Tarasoft11

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I think your age might determine who you think are the best players
younger people might not have even heard of some of the players mentioned here and will select the modern current players
 

Tommy Smith

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That's a significant accolade to not have next to your name if you want to go down as an all time great, I am not saying he's not one of the greats of the game as he clearly is but up until last year's grand final experts were saying that unless JT won a title his career (as a key playmaker) would always have an asterix beside it, not only did he do that but he won the Clive Churchill medal
Clive Churchill Medals mean nothing. They never even award them to the right player. Is there a person alive outside of Fulton, McCarthy and whichever other plods award the CCM that actually thought Thurston was the best player on the ground in last years GF?

He had a solid game at best but I've no doubt he received the award because they wanted to complete his awards resume. Tamou, Granville and Milford were all more deserving.

History also shows that DCE is a CCM winner in 2013, which is the biggest joke in history when the likes of Maloney, SBW and Moa led the Roosters to victory while DCE sucked in the final 30min. That was purely Fulton's bias and Bob's hate for the Roosters.

George Burgess deserved it in 2014. Fittler had a stormer in the 2002 GF having a hand in almost all of our tries and kicking the key 40/20 and yet Fitzgibbon won the award.

It's horrifying to think that soneone can say in an argument "yeah well DCE has a Churchill Medal and Fittler doesn't". And then you watch the respective games and scratch your head in wonderment.

It has even less credibility than the Dally M Award so I wouldn't hold that against Smith, who imo is a lock for Immortal status.
 

SBD82

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Clive Churchill Medals mean nothing. They never even award them to the right player. Is there a person alive outside of Fulton, McCarthy and whichever other plods award the CCM that actually thought Thurston was the best player on the ground in last years GF?

He had a solid game at best but I've no doubt he received the award because they wanted to complete his awards resume. Tamou, Granville and Milford were all more deserving.

History also shows that DCE is a CCM winner in 2013, which is the biggest joke in history when the likes of Maloney, SBW and Moa led the Roosters to victory while DCE sucked in the final 30min. That was purely Fulton's bias and Bob's hate for the Roosters.

George Burgess deserved it in 2014. Fittler had a stormer in the 2002 GF having a hand in almost all of our tries and kicking the key 40/20 and yet Fitzgibbon won the award.

It's horrifying to think that soneone can say in an argument "yeah well DCE has a Churchill Medal and Fittler doesn't". And then you watch the respective games and scratch your head in wonderment.

It has even less credibility than the Dally M Award so I wouldn't hold that against Smith, who imo is a lock for Immortal status.
You can add Jeremy smith to that list for the 2010 GF.
 
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Clive Churchill Medals mean nothing. They never even award them to the right player. Is there a person alive outside of Fulton, McCarthy and whichever other plods award the CCM that actually thought Thurston was the best player on the ground in last years GF?

He had a solid game at best but I've no doubt he received the award because they wanted to complete his awards resume. Tamou, Granville and Milford were all more deserving.

You can add Jonathan Thurston himself as someone who felt he did not deserve the Clive Churchill Medal for his performance in the 2015 NRL Grand Final. He said so publicly earlier this year he felt he did not deserve based on his performance.
 

JJ

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Not sure what the time frame is here, just NRL?

Anyway, surprised there's no love for Glenn Lazarus... no coincidence that premierships followed him around

Also, in the Sydney comp Brett Kenny, Peter Sterling and Steve Mortimer warrant respect too, along with many others...
 

dogz08

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I'm bored at work so here it goes... a legit and detailed response.

1. Andrew Johns - the complete player and had an aura about him I've never seen before or since. He didn't do anything below a 9/10 level. Decision making, short and long pass, running game, kicking game, defence, goal kicking. Everything is a 9 or 10 out of 10.

Watching the Knights or Blues play whilst missing Joey and then watching the influence he had when he returned was incredible. He made those around him feel unbeatable.

2. Brad Fittler - most natural player I've seen. Lethal ball runner with size, strength and THAT step; an incredible long passing game to send his centre or winger away, a brilliant defender, and an inspirational leader.

He's the only player I can think of that was world class in three distinctly different positions over his career - centre, 5/8 and lock. Dominated the first half of the last decade in leading his team to 4 GFs in 5 years. Before and after that era my Roosters sucked balls so his influence was huge.

3. Johnathan Thurston - wouldn't look out of place at no.1, and probably will be if the leads the Cowboys b2b. His attacking influence is second to none. He's relentless and takes the line on better than anyone. Always takes the right option with his passing game and has the best short kicking game I've seen. Tough as nails for his size and is a great cover defender.

4. Cameron Smith - the master at controlling a game. You only realise how great Smith is by watching other hookers play. I say this because you notice others make bad decisions and take the wrong option all the time. Even our hooker Jake Friend, who is a quality player, drives me insane with poor options on the 4th and 5th tackle. Which is to be expected because they touch the ball so much.

But not Smith... has he ever made a bad decision? Whether its a crisp pass always to the right man or a great kick, he's just ice cool and I'm sure he sees the game at a slower speed than anyone else. Great big game player and leader, and a master ref manipulator. No one would raise an eye brow if you called him the greatest player ever.

5. Sonny Bill Williams - the most talented forward I've ever seen by a long way, and I wanted to get a non hooking forward on this list. He offered a threat in attack that was unique (Bryce Cartwright has similar potential). Seriously, he was an edge backrower that would regularly rack up try assists, line breaks and line break assists like a 5/8, and possessed the best and most effective offload ive seen. He was also a great defender and never shirked his workload with ball carries either.

Dual Premiership player; once as a dominant force in his debut year as an 18yr old ripping world class teams a new arsehole (how many forwards have done that at 18, any?); and as a 27yr old when he was easily the best player in the game that year after being absent for 4-5 years. Made up for a shocking first half in the GF with the match winning plays when the game was on the line as all champions do.

Very special mentions to Billy Slater - one of my favourites and the best fullback I've ever seen - and Darren Lockyer, who like Smith was ice cool and always saved his best for the big moments. Both fully deserve to be on this list. It's really a top 7 for me with the order largely interchangeable.

where's boyd cordner?
 

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