What`s Wrong With An 18 Team Competition???

[Big Mick]

and how many got dropped back to Premier League cause they wern't good enough?

Injuries and suspensions mean there will always be a lot of players playing one or two first grade games, but that doesn't mean they are first grade quality. Look at some of the players used when Origin players are unavailable, they are not exactly world class.

Having 18 teams would take RL back 10 years. If we are going to add teams we have to go it slowly. 16 should be the limit.

If we have 18 then someone will come on here and say we should add Perth and Adelaide and have 20 teams, then a second Brisbane team, then a PNG team.

Hey all we need is good management by the clubs and we could have 22 teams right??? :roll:

WTF u on!, I'm agreeing with you!

 

[Vicious]

Almost every club has atleast a couple of quality players outside their top 17!

 

[innsaneink]

Almost every club has atleast a couple of quality players outside their top 17!

Yes, its called having depth.

When you dont have it, you have reserve grade.

 

[Unknown Pleasures]

Almost every club has atleast a couple of quality players outside their top 17!

Yes, its called having depth.

When you dont have it, you have reserve grade.

Yes true clubs do have depth outside the top 17. But how often do you actually see the top 17 running around. Clubs have 6-7 guys unavailable sometimes.

 

[Iafeta]

Not enough quality players around and the all mighty $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$. News Ltd will get a heart attack.

Introducing Wellington will add a lot of money, a whole new market and far increased Sky Television rights. That alone will pay for the $2.5m they give to each side per year.

As for quality players, how many players have gone to the UK the past year or two? Here's a side alone 1 Vaeleki 2 Blacklock 3 Lyon 4 Talau 5 De Vere 6 Dorn 7 Leuluai 8 Davico 9 Swain 10 Seu Seu 11 Lauitiiti 12 Solomona 13 Swann Bench Tookey, Tony, Kearney, Meyers - not the worst. And think of the other Aus/NZ players over there, Paul, Vainakolo, Hape, Moran, Fa'afili, Bai, Hopkins, Drew, Murphy, Poaching - then look through some of the benches in the NRL, Koopu, Villasanti, Flannery, Crocker, Tupou, Williams, Asotasi, Scott, Feeney, Parker, Webb, Campion couldn't get a start at the end of the year, Faiumu/Jensen, McWilliams, Creagh, Sims, Withers, Henry Perenara, John Carlaw, Afamasaaga, Widders, Fa'aoso, Rodney, Swain, Ben Cross, Weyman, the Paea brothers are talented enough to play NRL now, Kylie Leuluai, Galloway, Bosnich, Cooper Cronk, Steve Turner, Bronson Harrison

Yep, I think there's enough keen players for another 3 sides. Having 3 extra sides will only increase exposure and only serve to bring through more people to the game, and increase our player strength. It won't happen straight away, but it will be of immense benefit. The one way to ensure we don't have enough players is to not be proactive and give them the opportunities, then they will go to other codes.

 

[Copa]

According to Sterlo, 170 players have made their first grade debut in the NRL over the last 2 seasons. Seems to be quite a few players available for an extra team.

http://www.crikey.com.au/columnists/2004/08/24-0003.html

I think we are looking for quality not quantity

Do you think the NRL has been filled with low quality players over the last 2 years then?

 

[Vicious]

Almost every club has atleast a couple of quality players outside their top 17!

Yes, its called having depth.

When you dont have it, you have reserve grade.

That`s the point i`m trying to make!Some teams have much more depth than others and that`s the big difference between 1st and last.A draft to select all players after the 1st 17 would create an even more level playing field!

 

[Iafeta]

and how many got dropped back to Premier League cause they wern't good enough?

There are some top players outside the top 17 of each club, how long was Matt Head in reserve grade? Daniel Holdsworth for mine looks to have the goods, completely bamboozled Parra one night. Your own Garrett Crossman for mine looked to be good enough to start for a new side straight away.

Thats just one team I can think of.

The Warriors in the past have played a second string side and still won. The Broncos have plenty of players of immense talent always outside their first string side.

 

[t-ba]

Two of the Proposals, Gold Coast & Wellington, would also assist the development of players in Areas outside of NSW. Their si plenty of first grade talent in NZ & SEQLD that simply never gets the chance to develop.

'quality' is a relative concept as well. I'll keep on saying it, because it's true, but you could have a ten team comp and people would be complaining about the raft of substandard reserve graders being introduced to first grade if two teams were added.

Somewhat even distribution is the key.

 

[Vicious]

Even take a side like the Tigers for example.In my opinion there is little or no difference between the abilities of Shane Elford and John Wilson as centres.But as the Tigers have baught Paul Whatuira who will obviously become their number 1 centre,either Elford or more than likely Wilson will miss out.That is just 1 of mamy many cases.All an extra 3 clubs would do is decrease each clubs depth,therefore placing more emphasis in developing good young junior players who would then fill the void when injuries or suspensions occur.That`s not a bad thing is it????????????

 

[Iafeta]

You're exactly right. Thats a good crop of players in the Tigers centreline. The other thing to remember is these players are going to be there for the first 4-5 years, after this team, the increased exposure will throw up a lot more Williams, Johns, Jones etc who are attracted to the prospect of playing in the code, rather than the other codes who have exposure in their respective centres.

 

[Vicious]

Another prime example is the Bulldogs backline.Patten will be fullback,El Masri and Utai the wingers,Tonga one centre but either Lolesi or Ben Harris will be playing Premier League.Either one of them partnered with even John Wilson would be a decent centre combo for a newly created club!Lance Hohaia looks like he will probably miss out on a spot in the Warriors 17,but he`d be a more than handy halfback if there was a Wellington side.The Roosters will also have atleast a handfull of very good players that won`t make their top 17.I could go on all day,i just can`t believe that some people don`t think there is enough quality players to go around for 18 teams!Maybe Lote and Matt Rogers would still be in League if there was a couple of extra sides meaning they could of been paid a lot more than what was offered when they left and anyone who has seen a program outlining Lote`s career so far which has been shown on Foix Sport could see that Lote DID switch codes purely for financial reasons!!!

 

[Iafeta]

You're dead right - look at the Chooks Premier League side too. Todd Byrne's now got a home, but you look at who doesn't, the Paea boys, Pee Wee Moke, Soward or whatever his name is (he might be a grade lower but he looked good), that young prop from Cronulla who's going to Souths looks the goods. Look at some of the players we semi-estimate might not be starting next year, Tevita Latu, Lance Hohaia at the Warriors alone, Brenton Bowen at the Cowboys, possibly David Myles, blokes like Luke O'Dwyer at the Eels looks a good prospect, Liam Fulton at the Tigers good talent, Holdsworth from the Dragons, Norry from the Dragons, who's going to miss out out of Hall, Quinn and Cooper at the Knights? Cooper Cronk, Antonio Kaufusi, either Ben Harris or Jamal Lolesi at Canterbury - ouch, there's some serious talent in there.

 

[Unknown Pleasures]

Maybe Lote and Matt Rogers would still be in League if there was a couple of extra sides meaning they could of been paid a lot more than what was offered when they left and anyone who has seen a program outlining Lote`s career so far which has been shown on Foix Sport could see that Lote DID switch codes purely for financial reasons!!!

How could have Lote and Rogers been paid more if there was three more teams? I don't quite follow that one.

Also ever heard of fullstops?

 

[tiger_nick]

Get rid of Premier League so that clubs can only sign 17 players each with all other players going into a pre-season draft!!!

If there was a competition for the worst ideas of all time, that would be in the grand final

 

[Vicious]

Don`t worry yourself about the fullstops!As for Lote and Rogers,they both left because League couldn`t come near the Rugby offers,right???
Firstly,i believe the salary cap should only apply to each clubs top 17 players.Feeder clubs should be introduced to help with the wages of all the fringe players.The Broncos couldn`t afford to pay anywhere near the estimated $500,000 it would have cost to keep Lote.I`m positive a Gold Coast side would have payed up to $550,000 for Lote and played him in his favoured fullback position had they had a side!I reckon that would have kept him in League.A Central Coast side would have done likewise to snare a player of Matt Rogers ability.

 

[Vicious]

Get rid of Premier League so that clubs can only sign 17 players each with all other players going into a pre-season draft!!!

If there was a competition for the worst ideas of all time, that would be in the grand final

If you want to make smart ass comments,atleast have a reason to back yourself!

 

[Generalissimo Stalin]

better option would be to relocate storm to the central coast, bring in the gold coast and then offer relocation to wellington to say the bulldogs.

16 teams - 2 rounds - 22 games - 5 week finals series and 3 weeks off for origin - 30 week comp.

over to you NRL

 

[tiger_nick]

better option would be to relocate storm to the central coast, bring in the gold coast and then offer relocation to wellington to say the bulldogs.

16 teams - 2 rounds - 22 games - 5 week finals series and 3 weeks off for origin - 30 week comp.

over to you NRL

Sounds good to me!

 

[Big Mick]

and how many got dropped back to Premier League cause they wern't good enough?

There are some top players outside the top 17 of each club, how long was Matt Head in reserve grade? Daniel Holdsworth for mine looks to have the goods, completely bamboozled Parra one night. Your own Garrett Crossman for mine looked to be good enough to start for a new side straight away.

Thats just one team I can think of.

The Warriors in the past have played a second string side and still won. The Broncos have plenty of players of immense talent always outside their first string side.

Yeah but my point is, i'd rather have 15-16 teams with at least 3-5 players that can step up with injuries, than 18 teams with 4 teams getting flogged week in week out.

You mention Penrith with Crossman. Without Lang there, Crossman will be on our bench, after that is Jason Wrigley. After him, there is very little.

Same with many clubs. Accept for Canterbury and Roosters, not a lot of teams have more than 4-5 players who can step up to first grade.