What to do with Level 3 - Parramatta Leagues Club

[Suitman]

just going by what alan was saying on saturday. i'd need to look at a lot more numbers to point at how we can make money in there if it is the case.

I'm starting to wonder whether they thought the horsey gamblers were scaring away the pokie players, just like they think the footy supporters do.

Suity

 

[strider]

think bigger picture.

an increase of 10,000 members increases a target audience to our sponsors. think of how many sponsors would want to throw money at a club with 600 members of the football club compared to that which has 10,000 members. the increase in members would increase the competition of potential sponsors and as a result increase the base premium for each level of sponsorship.

one thing the fc should look at (this may have been mentioned somewhere else) is to make fc membership an automatic part of a season ticket.

the other thing is to introduce a members privelidges card with membership. it's easier to attract sponsors if you are doing something to potentially improve their market base.

I don't see that sponsorship should be a problem for us irrespective of member numbers .... i would think the main thing for a sponsor is TV exposure - and no matter how sh*t parra has gone in recent times, we seem to get a very good number of free to air tv games each season

 

[bartman]

is this the bit in the discussion where I add that supporters clubs of teams in the UK Super League (and lower division) actually spend and raise enough money to help pay part of the contract money of one or two of their club's player signings?

And that teams/supporters groups manage this without even the presence of a leagues club building (things like Panthers, or even facilities such as our humble 4 storey clubhouse just don't exist), or without links to the income from poker machines and gambling (which up until now have never been assoicated with league in the UK)?

 

[strider]

is this the bit in the discussion where I add that supporters clubs of teams in the UK Super League (and lower division) actually spend and raise enough money to help pay part of the contract money of one or two of their club's player signings?

And that teams/supporters groups manage this without even the presence of a leagues club building (things like Panthers, or even facilities such as our humble 4 storey clubhouse just don't exist), or without links to the income from poker machines and gambling (which up until now have never been assoicated with league in the UK)?

thats cool ... but I would have to assume they are either
a) paying alot more for their membership - which is cool, we should offer bigger packages for membership
b) having a much larger supporter base .... australia and rubgy league really isn't as big a market as other sports .... NRL teams are getting all excited about potentially having 10,000 members .... I'm pretty sure some AFL clubs have somewhere in the order of 40,000 members and I can only imagine that big football clubs in europe would have more - I just don't know if league could get anywhere near that

 

[bartman]

I'll have to look up the details again Strides, my memory is a bit vague...

But my first thought is that membership was not huge at all - if they actually had membership separate to season tickets? Think it was only 5-10 pounds (15-20 bucks).

And the membership/fan base wasn't higher than what we have either - take a look at the Super League crowds and you'll see they're not different to ours these days, certainly not higher. Biggest home crowds will be 25,000 tops - and that's pretty much everyone that cares about the biggest teams turning up.

I think it's just that fans there are more active - in terms of spending their money to directly support their clubs, and in terms of organising fundraising events as a group, independent of the club organised activities.

I guess it's kind of like our LC Official Supporters Club growing and having a role beyond booking away game buses, and everything else it might do turning some profits which then go into a fund that helps the club. People give so much more of their time to their clubs there, I think that's the only difference.

Oh, and their clubs actually value them and their contribution, in terms of gameday experience, fan relations, community development work with schools and kids, and not making them feel unwelcome in their own backyard/club house or grandstand bar (or whatever space they have for supporters to gather instead of a leagues club).

 

[Twizzle]

Why is it that they run at a loss? Shouldn't that be the TAB's loss?
Just trying to understand how they operate?
Ovo said that the clubs TAB was losing 16 grand a week?? :?

Suity

I built a pub last year and managed the fit out

bit of an eye opener

I also found out that the pub gets about 15% commissions on all Pubtab profits but it nearly always wont cover the lease on all the pubtab equipment and TVs etc

plus all the other overheads like wages and sh*t

 

[Hollywood Jesus]

That's where you are wrong. I'm not sticking it to Ovo, I'm sticking it to the current Board. Ovo is just their spokesman.

I just said it because you've been mentioning Ovo specifically.

Nevertheless, my point stands. Neither side actually have any ideas - I mean, the purpose of this thread is to get ideas for 3P to use, isn't it?

The current board seem completely devoid of ideas. At least 3P are out there looking for them. What are the current Board doing? Ovo came and spoke on their behalf, and he basically gave us nothing, except for a "let's keep our fingers crossed".

He also asked for ideas, which is exactly what 3P are doing.

No offense to 3P in the least, but their ideas are coming from us. Same as with Ovo.

You'd think that with only 3 months to go to the election, 3P would have had their ideas set by now, wouldn't you?

I mean, if they're being serious about it, then they should have firm ideas that have been fully checked out for viability (relating to actually placing them in the Club), fully costed (to show we can afford them) and fully relatable to the Parramatta demographics (to show they would draw customers).

The fact that they are still asking us for ideas shows that this is not even close to being the case. It also shows that it's gonna be pretty impossible for them to achieve a set, fully developed and fully costed plan before the election comes.

Same with Ovo and the current Board.

As such, there is no difference between the two, is there?

Really, what do you think the chances are that any concrete plans for changes to the Club will be fully rolled out prior to the election? From either side? If they aren't (and it appears as if it would be difficult to do so considering they are still canvassing us for ideas) then basically what we're being asked to vote on is nothing. A vague sentiment of unspecified and undeveloped change (from 3P) against a vague sentiment of unspecified and undeveloped change (from Ovo).

To say there is any difference between 3P and the current Board is becoming less and less possible. That is, with the exception of the foyer area being turned into a Parra History Foyer (killer idea but not really a revenue raiser). Neither have any real plans, both are talking about "change" and both are asking us for ideas that they should have had fully developed months ago.

Six of one, half a dozen of the other.

 

[Hollywood Jesus]

I don't see that sponsorship should be a problem for us irrespective of member numbers .... i would think the main thing for a sponsor is TV exposure - and no matter how sh*t parra has gone in recent times, we seem to get a very good number of free to air tv games each season

I don't but the "members = sponsors" line, either. Seriously, how will being a member make me more exposed to sponsors and more likely to buy their products?

Sponsors pay for media coverage and that's it. Our decent TV and newspaper coverage is what they're after, not member numbers. 600 or 10,000 is nothing compared to what they get via Friday Night Football, for example.

 

[Suitman]

I don't but the "members = sponsors" line, either. Seriously, how will being a member make me more exposed to sponsors and more likely to buy their products?

Sponsors pay for media coverage and that's it. Our decent TV and newspaper coverage is what they're after, not member numbers. 600 or 10,000 is nothing compared to what they get via Friday Night Football, for example.

Then how about Spiders other idea of a discount card with every membership for every sponsor. Surely it would be enticing to know that there may be 10 000 more people that may come and buy your product?

Suity

 

[Suitman]

I just said it because you've been mentioning Ovo specifically.

And I told you why.

Nevertheless, my point stands. Neither side actually have any ideas - I mean, the purpose of this thread is to get ideas for 3P to use, isn't it?

He also asked for ideas, which is exactly what 3P are doing.

No offense to 3P in the least, but their ideas are coming from us. Same as with Ovo.

You'd think that with only 3 months to go to the election, 3P would have had their ideas set by now, wouldn't you?

I mean, if they're being serious about it, then they should have firm ideas that have been fully checked out for viability (relating to actually placing them in the Club), fully costed (to show we can afford them) and fully relatable to the Parramatta demographics (to show they would draw customers).

The fact that they are still asking us for ideas shows that this is not even close to being the case. It also shows that it's gonna be pretty impossible for them to achieve a set, fully developed and fully costed plan before the election comes.

Same with Ovo and the current Board.

As such, there is no difference between the two, is there?

Really, what do you think the chances are that any concrete plans for changes to the Club will be fully rolled out prior to the election? From either side? If they aren't (and it appears as if it would be difficult to do so considering they are still canvassing us for ideas) then basically what we're being asked to vote on is nothing. A vague sentiment of unspecified and undeveloped change (from 3P) against a vague sentiment of unspecified and undeveloped change (from Ovo).

To say there is any difference between 3P and the current Board is becoming less and less possible. That is, with the exception of the foyer area being turned into a Parra History Foyer (killer idea but not really a revenue raiser). Neither have any real plans, both are talking about "change" and both are asking us for ideas that they should have had fully developed months ago.

Six of one, half a dozen of the other.

I don't agree with what you are saying, so I'll just say, why don't you copy and paste your post, and, instead, type "To Terry Leabeater" at the top.
See what your reply is then, because I've already said that I'll leave it up to 3P to answer your question.

I'll ask another question though.

Who would you think are more likely to implement change that might further enhance and prosper the clubs future?

That is not meant to be a leading question either. I'm still making my judgment, and weighing up the pros and cons.

Suity

 

[strider]

Then how about Spiders other idea of a discount card with every membership for every sponsor. Surely it would be enticing to know that there may be 10 000 more people that may come and buy your product?

Suity

i think that's a good idea - everyone loves a freebie/discount :thumn

 

[fish eel]

so what could i buy from pirtek?

 

[strider]

if you don't need a fluid transfer system then I don't know what you need fishy

 

[eelz47]

so what could i buy from pirtek?

a hydraulic hose for your peugeot maybe?

 

[fish eel]

a hydraulic hose for your peugeot maybe?

Got ride of that. T'was a great car though.

I got me thinking though, which other eels sponsors could I get a discount from, so I went to

http://parraeels.com.au/homepage/index.shtml looking for the list of sponsors, and it is buried here under 'corporate hospitality'

http://parraeels.com.au/sponsors/sponsorslist.shtml

 

[eelz47]

sew eurodrive is a major right? whom knows what it is without googling it?????

 

[eeladdick]

right a bit of a late reply chaps ,
i have just been reading in the background and pondering what can we do with level 3,
i was thinking maybe referb the auditourium and bring the sound system and stage up to date , this way you can attract more popular shows and artists,
To further enhance this i think a buffet style eatery should be introduced , you could offer show and meal ticket combo's to entice more money from passing trade (as to say), do themed night in the buffet ie , seaford nights,asian nights american nights and so on, this will bring in more families and then people would use the place for special get togethers , ie birthdays , special occasions and so on ,
Also on memberships,
Why not go with the fc membership say.the 10000 drive ok , we get $250,000 from this but then you get the leauges club moaning they are not getting as many members as normal because everyone has joined the fc, so
why not do a deal with the LC that all fc members can use there membership cards to obtain the same privaliges as a LC , and to further entice fc members in to the lc ,send out a one off discount meal , say a $5 roast , that way you will get money going in both pockets , and lets face it why should we have to buy 2 memberships for one cause
just an opinion , please don't shoot me down if its already been mentioned

 

[eelz47]

why dont we just have a fc/lc combo?

 

[Suitman]

why dont we just have a fc/lc combo?

Because they are two completely different entities.

Suity

 

[Hellsy]

and about 37000 LC members don't give 2 hoots about FC or ST's