What would your reaction be if this happened right in front of you?

[El Diablo]

How old are you?

If you are much much older than me, I'll be sure to visit your gravesite and piss on that.

it's a f**king rodent

get over it ffs

do you cry when someone sprays mortein a blowfly?

 

[God-King Dean]

Give advice.

 

[woodyk2]

Take him to next door's cat.

 

[madunit]

How old are you?

If you are much much older than me, I'll be sure to visit your gravesite and piss on that.

I think you'll find that its impossible to defecate on Raider, unless he permits it.

 

[Tone83]

it's a f**king rodent

get over it ffs

do you cry when someone sprays mortein a blowfly?

A rat is a mammal and therefore experiences pain and fear in much the same way your dog or kid would. This sick androtrop knows that and would love to do it to your kid if he had the balls. He should be killed and I'm not exagerrating.

 

[madunit]

so a dickhead tortures a rat is shocking

but what happens in nature is perfectly fine though, say when a cat half kills a rat and plays around with it until it dies, and then it eats it, which is what cats do.

Tell me how these are different?

 

[soc123_au]

so a dickhead tortures a rat is shocking

but what happens in nature is perfectly fine though, say when a cat half kills a rat and plays around with it until it dies, and then it eats it, which is what cats do.

Tell me how these are different?

It is in a cats nature to do it. A civilized human by western standards is expected to not to behave that way regardless of their nature. I am pretty sure this is happening in China, if so then it's just another day over there. The majority over there don't view animals the same way we do.

 

[sensesmaybenumbed]

Cruelty for entertainment is wrong. It also frequently indicates that the person would do the same to another human.

Sick stuff.

 

[madunit]

It is in a cats nature to do it. A civilized human by western standards is expected to not to behave that way regardless of their nature. I am pretty sure this is happening in China, if so then it's just another day over there. The majority over there don't view animals the same way we do.

So essentially what you are saying is that you don't actually care about the treatment of the rat.

You are only concerned with the breed of animal that mistreats it.

 

[madunit]

Cruelty for entertainment is wrong.

definitely agree.

It also frequently indicates that the person would do the same to another human.

This I'm not so sure of.

I think it shows a level of behaviour so cowardly that they'd only ever do this sort of thing to animals than can easily overpower, which is going to be small animals.

 

[soc123_au]

So essentially what you are saying is that you don't actually care about the treatment of the rat.

You are only concerned with the breed of animal that mistreats it.

The treatment of the rat isn't something I would do myself & if I saw kids in Australia doing something similar I would have a go at them. Not because I give a f**k about the rat particularly but it is not they way we should act. I have seen similar treatment of animals in China & depending on the cute factor of the animal I may feel some sympathy toward it, but different culture, different rules & expectations.

 

[soc123_au]

I think it shows a level of behaviour so cowardly that they'd only ever do this sort of thing to animals than can easily overpower, which is going to be small animals.

Hit the nail on the head for 99% of cases I reckon. The sicko's that escalate to similar acts on other Humans probably perfect their techniques on animals, but they would be prewired to be arseholes to begin with.

 

[Bazal]

It constantly amuses me how people forget that we are animals too...and predators at that...

 

[madunit]

It's hard for some people to determine what way they should act. Slitting a lambs throat isn't exactly a nice thing to do either, but no one bats an eyelid at that practice, because the only part of that process most of them see is the lamb roast.

You know, there are dimwitted folks here in Australia who think mulesing lambs is cruel and barbaric, given that it involves using hand shears to cut away the first layer of skin around a lambs bottom.

But given that it prevents flystrike which is possibly one of the most painful ways to die, then the merit of such an action is understood to be more about the health and well being of the animal.

Cruelty to animals is a topic frought with issues and is never clear cut.

Mulesing is quite painful but has long term non-painful benefits to the animal.
Horse racing, using whips on the horse has minimal pain but has no benefit to the animal, and is done purely for entertainment.

Pets are treated differently to work animals, and they are treated differently to livestock, and they are treated differently to wild animals and they are treated differently to animals that are considered pests.

Rats are considered a pest and thus people don't have an emotional attachment to the animal. If this incident happened to a pet cat or dog, then the level of outrage would be higher.

Therefore, as much as this persons actions is deplorable, it isn't seen as being as bad because it happened to a rat and in a weird way, the fact he chose a rat shows that while he's f**ked in the head, he wasn't f**ked in the head enough to use a kitten or a puppy etc.

 

[Curtis89]

so a dickhead tortures a rat is shocking

but what happens in nature is perfectly fine though, say when a cat half kills a rat and plays around with it until it dies, and then it eats it, which is what cats do.

Tell me how these are different?

I'll bite.

Comparing what a cat does (a stupid furball with no concept of suffering or morals) to a human is completely fallacious. Cats do not really know any better, but we do. We are not cats. You can't really compare what a cat does to a prey animal to what a human does, because the human mind goes beyond basic instinct actions. Something like a cat can't rationalise or ponder their actions, let alone mull over the ethics of slaughtering animals. This is one of the things what separates us from the rest of the animal kingdom.

You'd might as well be saying that people who torture animals like this are no better than those animals. Although that's not entirely accurate, because human beings know what they're doing, have foresight, want to be malicious, etc.

it's a f**king rodent

get over it ffs

do you cry when someone sprays mortein a blowfly?

Hey psychopath, I don't really give a shit what you say. But comparing a mammal with an insect is quite funny.

Stray cats and dogs are considered pests as well in some parts of the world. Especially here, feral cats are a huge problem. I suppose someone pouring boiling water over them is ok too, and no one should be disgusted about it? You're sooo tough aren't ya?

Rats are considered a pest and thus people don't have an emotional attachment to the animal

Unless the animal is visibly crying out in pain, 'cause as humans we can all imagine that level of pain. I know people who really hate rodents, but would get upset when people do this sort of crap. I don't really think you need an emotional attachment to be disgusted/find such things wrong. It might make one feel less sympathetic for the tortured animal, but not any less f**ked up. That said, I think it's good that people feel sorry for the tortured animal - that is healthy. It not only recognises that the animal isn't an inanimate object, but the link can be made to the person's sadistic intent/personality quite easier. After all, such a link would most likely not be there if the animal was insensible to pain, hmm?

Therefore, as much as this persons actions is deplorable, it isn't seen as being as bad because it happened to a rat and in a weird way, the fact he chose a rat shows that while he's f**ked in the head, he wasn't f**ked in the head enough to use a kitten or a puppy etc.

Personally, I see them the same. It's a matter of principle. An animal is being tortured, painfully, for someone's jollies. Logically it shouldn't matter what kind of animal it is, the status of the animal shouldn't be taken into higher consideration than the fact that here's a sicko causing unnecessary pain and anguish to a helpless animal. Whether it's a pest, a pet or food animal should be completely irrelevant.

The only reason it's "worse" if it were a cat or dog because of either a stronger emotional attachment to the animal in question, or in practical terms (the usefulness of the animal). A dog is considered a pet and a companion, thus useful. A wild rat? Vermin that needs to be exterminated. However, I don't think such a distinction should gloss over the fact that a helpless animal is being painfully tortured because someone's sadistic enough to hear their screams of pain. The latter is all that matters here, not an arbitrary title.

 

[Curtis89]

It constantly amuses me how people forget that we are animals too...and predators at that...

Are you saying you're no better than a housecat?

If so, then I shall force you to use kitty litter and eat the crap they call 'cat food' off the floor.

 

[soc123_au]

If so, then I shall force you to use kitty litter and eat the crap they call 'cat food' off the floor.

Poor Bazal........

 

[Curtis89]

Which one is the predator?

 

[madunit]

I'll bite.

Comparing what a cat does (a stupid furball with no concept of suffering or morals) to a human is completely fallacious

How do you know that a cat has no concept of suffering or morals?.

Cats do not really know any better, but we do.

how can you possibly know that?

We are not cats. You can't really compare what a cat does to a prey animal to what a human does, because the human mind goes beyond basic instinct actions. Something like a cat can't rationalise or ponder their actions, let alone mull over the ethics of slaughtering animals. This is one of the things what separates us from the rest of the animal kingdom.

Man torture an animal until it dies. Cat does exactly the same thing. Thus the two can be compared. You are exonerating the cats actions because you can't relate to it as a fellow animal. Fattening up kids with candy and cooking them was the basis for an evil witch and was horrible, but we fatten up and kill heaps of animals and eat them and thats perfectly fine. You aren't treating both the human and the cat as animals, only one, which is understandble given the argument you are trying to make.

You'd might as well be saying that people who torture animals like this are no better than those animals. Although that's not entirely accurate, because human beings know what they're doing, have foresight, want to be malicious, etc.

And how do you know animals aren't the same.

Unless the animal is visibly crying out in pain, 'cause as humans we can all imagine that level of pain. I know people who really hate rodents, but would get upset when people do this sort of crap. I don't really think you need an emotional attachment to be disgusted/find such things wrong. It might make one feel less sympathetic for the tortured animal, but not any less f**ked up. That said, I think it's good that people feel sorry for the tortured animal - that is healthy. It not only recognises that the animal isn't an inanimate object, but the link can be made to the person's sadistic intent/personality quite easier. After all, such a link would most likely not be there if the animal was insensible to pain, hmm?

it's an odd argument you make. You don't care for the rat and you don't care that it dies unnaturally, but you do care if its death is painful. It's a rather odd tangent to get upset about.

Personally, I see them the same. It's a matter of principle. An animal is being tortured, painfully, for someone's jollies. Logically it shouldn't matter what kind of animal it is, the status of the animal shouldn't be taken into higher consideration than the fact that here's a sicko causing unnecessary pain and anguish to a helpless animal. Whether it's a pest, a pet or food animal should be completely irrelevant.

The only reason it's "worse" if it were a cat or dog because of either a stronger emotional attachment to the animal in question, or in practical terms (the usefulness of the animal). A dog is considered a pet and a companion, thus useful. A wild rat? Vermin that needs to be exterminated. However, I don't think such a distinction should gloss over the fact that a helpless animal is being painfully tortured because someone's sadistic enough to hear their screams of pain. The latter is all that matters here, not an arbitrary title.

status shouldn't matter? There's a food chain and every animal has its place either above or below other animals. Status, whether you like it or not does matter, because its nature.

so this torture is sadistic but the purposeful use of chemicals to kill them is not, simply because the animal dies quickly.

Do you think naepalm use was also acceptable on people?

I get that the act itself is cruel, but you can't get on your high horse about one animals death and turn a blind eye to a multitude of other animal deaths that mostly are just as cruel, if not moreso, but the resultant death of the animal is much quicker.

Essentially any unncessary and unnatural death of an animal could be considered cruel.

Fox baits are cruel
rat poison is cruel
whipping a horse in a race is cruel
mulesing lambs is cruel
any form of livestock slaughter is cruel (including halal)

I just find it odd that you:
Don't care about the rat
Don't care that the rat died
Care immensely that the rat was tortured

that process makes no sense.

 

[madunit]

Are you saying you're no better than a housecat?

What is the purpose of life for all animals?

to procreate
to eat

We must do both of these in order for our breed to survive