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Dr Crane

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hot on the heels of his story about cleary, we've got this gem - click the link for the full article.

Prime Minister John "Sporty Spice" Key will relish the RWC's photo opportunities, but there is a bigger picture.

Come on troops ... stop pulling our leg. You are a bunch of rugby heads looking after your own tribe.

Those who reap such great rewards tend to represent the same club - white, middle-class, middle-aged males (think Hollywood film makers, inveterate America's Cup yachties and the rugby honchos).

Meanwhile, rugby league - for instance - shuffles along in an outdated stadium in Penrose. There is an army of motor racing fans without the facilities to match their enthusiasm. The youth of today (and the not so youthful) aren't rugby obsessed and many prefer the waves and slopes and flying through the air for their kicks. But they are lucky to get a mound of concrete for their benefit in a local park.

Here's an idea with long-term benefits: Let's use public money to build a "boutique" stadium for league, a sport that has a major following among those who have traditionally been excluded from the exclusive club. It could double as a soccer stadium, catering to another major sport.

After years of having Government institutions and employees - namely schools and teachers - actively working for rugby and against the interests of league, the 13-a-side code deserves a make-up call from the taxpayer.

As a business, rugby is veering towards the gurgler. The national body struggles to make ends meet, some provincial unions are in major strife, and recently reported television figures suggest the fan base is dwindling outside of test matches.

Rugby is banking on the World Cup for a rebirth. In other words, ratepayers and taxpayers are propping up a flailing, perhaps failing, business.

When league struck problems, it faced an investigation before Sparc funding continued with provisos. When rugby struck problems, it was handed a nationwide billion-dollar World Cup investment with no strings attached.

League was portrayed as inept. Rugby is portrayed as a victim of outside (overseas) forces, the same ones that crushed league in this country decades earlier.

Many of us still thrill to rugby's great battles, are in awe of the remarkable players this country produces, and revel in reflecting on its place in our history. I am not a rugby naysayer - the game is still a massive part of my life.

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/best-of-sport-analysis/news/article.cfm?c_id=1502180&objectid=10721659
 

Rich102

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He states what I have felt for a long time. If you play an "in" sport your path will be eased.
The amount of money being spent on the RWC and Americas Cup is obsene.
 

hitman82

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Haha I like his line about rugby having its place in our history. That's where it belongs.
 

Matua

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FFS, grow up guys. Don't read any of the bile that twat writes.

The League v Rugby war ended years ago, don't be the true believers that carry it on.
 

ozbash

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Feel free to carry it on then like your twat mate Rattue. Me, I'll happily enjoy watching both codes each weekend rather than walk around with a giant chip on my shoulder.

same here Mutua, support and follow both codes but you are in gaga land if you think the "war" is over.

Just ask TVNZ sports dept. The bias lives on..
 

Micistm

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same here Mutua, support and follow both codes but you are in gaga land if you think the "war" is over.

Just ask TVNZ sports dept. The bias lives on..

Damn right Oz, I used to think the bias was over- I'd hardly call it a war as most Kiwis will happily watch both codes despite preferring one over the other...it's more a media driven thing that Union is the mutts nuts. I simply point to NZ winning the WC in '08, and it almost offended our media who had written them off and didn't jump on the bandwagon quick enough. I point to the constant media attention of off field League stories that are covered more vigourously than any Union or other sport off field situations.
What was TVNZs news coverage of the League WC win? To cross over to england and see what the All Blacks thought of it:lol:

If you're Union or Americas cup, or the current trend Soccer- You will be catered for better than League, Softball etc. We have terrible sports snobbism in this country.
 

Micistm

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He states what I have felt for a long time. If you play an "in" sport your path will be eased.
The amount of money being spent on the RWC and Americas Cup is obsene.

Too right Rich, and neither will generate a profit or even interest in this country. Pure snobbism.
Whats the biggest spectator sport in this country? Motor Sport. We are a country of petrol heads. Get a few of the major motor sports here, that would do far more for this country. How many international TV viewers would you get on board for motor racing compared to the Rich Pricks Train set that is the Americas Cup?!:lol:
Yes, the RWC will show this country, will get tourists, will generate viewers...but at what cost? To host such an event with such a huge sign on fee and so much work and cost up front-is it truely worth it?
 

Rich102

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Too right Rich, and neither will generate a profit or even interest in this country. Pure snobbism.
Whats the biggest spectator sport in this country? Motor Sport. We are a country of petrol heads. Get a few of the major motor sports here, that would do far more for this country. How many international TV viewers would you get on board for motor racing compared to the Rich Pricks Train set that is the Americas Cup?!:lol:
Yes, the RWC will show this country, will get tourists, will generate viewers...but at what cost? To host such an event with such a huge sign on fee and so much work and cost up front-is it truely worth it?

Oi! I don't have a train.;-)
 

mean

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That's plagiarism! It's something I would write on here or articulate to anyone who asks if I follow rugby.

Never a word of a lie. Love it!
 

Dr Crane

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FFS, grow up guys. Don't read any of the bile that twat writes.

The League v Rugby war ended years ago, don't be the true believers that carry it on.

i don't engage in the league vs rugby war either (not because i like both codes, but because i think it's a geniused argument), but i thought this article raised some fairly decent points.

probably more suitable to a rugby forum for sure, but my larger point was also that i think rattue may be abusing some substances lately since he's come up with a few good articles lately.
 

Revelation 3:20

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FFS, grow up guys. Don't read any of the bile that twat writes.

The League v Rugby war ended years ago, don't be the true believers that carry it on.

So far from the truth my friend. It still goes on in every level of the game. School, Media, politics, Grass roots, Elite level, funding, sponsorship, Awards...I could go on
 

hitman82

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I don't believe in any huge anti-league conspiracy in NZ, though I do believe we get a raw deal in schools and government funding.

But I do think union sucks.
 

Matua

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Damn right Oz, I used to think the bias was over- I'd hardly call it a war as most Kiwis will happily watch both codes despite preferring one over the other...it's more a media driven thing that Union is the mutts nuts. I simply point to NZ winning the WC in '08, and it almost offended our media who had written them off and didn't jump on the bandwagon quick enough. I point to the constant media attention of off field League stories that are covered more vigourously than any Union or other sport off field situations.
What was TVNZs news coverage of the League WC win? To cross over to england and see what the All Blacks thought of it:lol:

If you're Union or Americas cup, or the current trend Soccer- You will be catered for better than League, Softball etc. We have terrible sports snobbism in this country.
Much of the media in NZ focus on rugby because it is the most popular sport, Rattue is a prime example, I bet deep down he hates rugby yet his job as a sports reporter requires him to write about rugby. Not because there is a bias, but because a majority of the country follow the sport which means rugby orientated writing helps sell the joke of a paper he professes to write for.

But league has the biggest media company as its backer - Sky, so on that point it is doing well for itself. Now, league basically saved Sky, but in reality nowdays (and if you look at it honestly), rugby provides Sky with its subscription base, yet league is easily the 2nd most heavily promoted and resourced sport on the channel.

I just get annoyed with the people (on both sides) that like to put the boot into each other. I've played both, watched both, lived in Oz where league is king, lived in NZ where rugby is king - I love both games, can't stand the continued fighting and blaming of the "other" code all the time.

On the school thing - in my school league wasn't ever played, everyone played league for their clubs on Sundays. So the school decided to create a league team alternating nights with the rugby training, but the league team couldn't get enough numbers because everyone was playing for their clubs.
 

Revelation 3:20

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Love to see the source to back that one up Rev

No source - just plucked that one out of the air
Lets just say most schools have now warmed to league. Though there are some that are not but I can't reveal any names but mainly because of Rugby Head Principles and Head of Sports in some schools. Hey kids wanna play league, you might as well be a successful school because of it. NZRL have released the revamped national schools comp.
 
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