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Whats the news on Orford

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You don't know how much other Storm players are being paid.

Storm were going to pay Ben Ross over $300K a season (maybe even $350K) and nobody had any issue if we were going to be under the cap with him included. Giving Orford $480K a season is only $40K more per season than what they were prepared to give him originally. It is also significantly less than had the club managed to sign Ross. It would've been roughly $800K between them two.

We already lost Bell for next year who is probably on between $200K and $300K. We've lost over $1.2 million in players after Robbie Ross, Howe, Kearney, Williams, and Reynoldson left the club. The first three may well have made up $1.2 million between themselves.

Our cap breach last season was $100K IIRC so having lost over a million bucks in players left a hell of a room under the cap.
 
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We lost some players on big money last year in particular, and didn't buy much. We lost Howe who was reportedly on 400k plus a year, Kearney would have been on a bit, and so would Robbie Ross. All we have done since is top up a couple of contracts. Then we had 400k to spend on Ben Ross, so there is money there to spend
 
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Plus our cap breaches have been due to 3rd party agreements that we disclosed to the nrl to get checked out. Turns out they were illegal, so we paid the price for them. But they are gone now, and we are fine with the cap
 

Mr Saab

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i just heard that the Sydney Kings are looking at him. They think he will make a good point guard.
 

SOULS 04

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what about this if a central coast franchise happens he can walk out on his contract...

just go to manly... the cc isnt that far from there.
 

bozza tgg

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I am sick of Orford trying to hold the storm over a barrel every year.

Surely it isn't this hard, after spending 6 million weeks agonising over his decision last year surely he must have some idea of where he wants to play footy and how much he will play for!!

If they do stitch him up this time, I hope they don't agree to a one year deal again, it is ridiculous that this keeps happening.
 
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That is one thing the club have been adamant on is that it is a 3 year deal. I think they could drop to 2, but not 1. They'll have some pissed off fans at the game this week if they do sign him for 1
 

aussies1st

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I don't think it will be any less than 2 years. Since there is a central cost team coming for a while he won't have any reason for a year contract. Plus souths and storm both offering a central coast clause
 

skeepe

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SOULS 04 said:
what about this if a central coast franchise happens he can walk out on his contract...

just go to manly... the cc isnt that far from there.

Funnily enough....

Sydney Morning Herald said:
Souths, Storm up the ante for Orford
By Steve Mascord
July 19, 2005


Melbourne and South Sydney last night upped the ante in the battle for Matt Orford by offering him a "Gosford clause" - an immediate release should an NRL team relocate to the Central Coast.

The intriguing development came as the Sydney Origin star's agent, George Mimis, said Melbourne had raised their offer.

Storm chief executive Brian Waldron confirmed discussing the fight to keep Orford with Lachlan Murdoch, a powerbroker at News Ltd, the club's majority shareholder.

"It's no secret that Matt would love to play on the Central Coast in the NRL if that ever eventuated," said Mimis, who declined to discuss details of the proposal.

"Should there be a team there at some point, Matt would like to think he could be a part of that.

"Melbourne have come back to me with a counter-proposal as recently as today. There are a whole range of factors - [Gosford] included - that we are discussing with Melbourne particularly."

Amid suggestions his offer had been raised by $100,000 or more, Waldron insisted the revision was "not so much about the money as about the terms associated with it".
The Storm boss and Rabbitohs chief executive Shane Richardson said they would happily give the 27-year-old Gosford Townies junior an "out" to return home if the chance arose. Richardson said: "That certainly wouldn't be a problem from our point of view."

Waldron was similarly sympathetic. "We wouldn't be against letting people, for compassionate reasons, head back to their home base," he said. "He's obviously a Central Coast kid and that's something we'd consider.

"He's always had hopes about getting back to the Central Coast. That doesn't look possible next year now, obviously, so if we could work out something that's fair to him and gives him security long-term, we'd be prepared to do that."

Paul Cummings, executive director of Manly, who are the long-running favourites to snare Orford, said the Central Coast issue had not been raised in his talks with Mimis. "I think his mum and dad live up at Gosford and the northern beaches are a bit closer than Melbourne is and it's even a bit closer than South Sydney, too," he said.

Mimis will continue talks with the three clubs today. "I was kind of hopeful we might be able to bring this to a conclusion today or tomorrow but it might not be that soon," he said.

"We're still very deep in discussions with all the parties."

With NRL chief executive David Gallop last month saying there would probably be no further expansion before 2013, the clause would effectively give the league another carrot with which to entice a club to the Central Coast. Already $8million is on offer. Souths are under pressure to relocate - but so far they steadfastly refuse.

Waldron said Murdoch had played no role in the club's attempts to retain Orford.

"He was in our [dressing] rooms yesterday," he said. "I happened to be in Sydney this morning, at News for a meeting.

"He just wanted to know, in passing, how we're going with it all. Someone might have seen us talking. He'd like us to retain Matt … but he understands it's up to us to work it out the best way we can."

Richardson wants the NRL to investigate Manly's salary cap arrangements if they sign Orford.

Gallop said salary cap commissioner Ian Schubert had held "some general discussions" with the Sea Eagles but "they were not in relation to a specific player. Ian sought clarifications of certain arrangements, which is not unusual".

Gallop ruled out revisiting the question of financial rewards for people who dob in salary-cap rorts or introducing a free hotline for information - ideas he brought back from a trip to the US three years ago.

"We don't want to encourage frivolous complaints but we are always receiving information and always looking into what we are told," Gallop said. "We had a disgruntled financial controller on one occasion who was able to provide us with a lot of information. It was a couple of years ago."

The Storm are likely to receive some on-field help today with five-eighth Scott Hill (ankle) available for selection to play against the Roosters on Sunday. Hill has been missing for almost two months. The Roosters are still hopeful prop Jason Cayless (sprained ankle) will play.

Another international star, Brisbane's Brent Tate, is likely to return from an ankle injury on the wing against the Bulldogs on Friday night.

Panthers prop Ben Ross (shoulder) is also hoping to take part in round 20, while today Newcastle will offer young second-rower Daniel Abraham a two-year deal.




http://www.smh.com.au/news/league/souths-storm-up-the-ante-for-orford/2005/07/18/1121538918622.html
 

m0j0

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If Souths signed him and then moved to Gosford, would they release him so he could play with the Central Coast based team?
 

aussies1st

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that is an interesting one, i don't see why he would want to move though as hes where he wants to be. If he did want to move even after souths moved to gosford then i think souths might stop him as he no longer wants to move because of home sickness
 

LESStar58

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Bullocks to this Gosford clause! There won't be a team on the Central Coast for at least another 5 years IMO. Think, the GC aren't on for another 18 months or so. The NRL cant just jump into expansion left right and centre. The GC needs to have at least 3 or 4 seasons in a 16 team comp before we start looking at other places.

I'm sick of all this crap over Orford bt I want him to stay in Melbourne. If we lock him into a 3 or 4 year deal theres no guarantee the CC will come in. Maybe they will when he hits 30 and he can go there for one last hurrah!
 

Slappy

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This Orford character really must think a lot of himself!

Who does he think he is? Brett Finch!!! :lol::lol:
 
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steaming stormer said:
That is one thing the club have been adamant on is that it is a 3 year deal. I think they could drop to 2, but not 1. They'll have some pissed off fans at the game this week if they do sign him for 1

No doubt, but if you do lose him who else is on the market you could get? You'd be hard pressed to get a decent halfback down south if he left, one year is better than gone.
 

shadow grinder

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Bring back John Fifita said:
No doubt, but if you do lose him who else is on the market you could get? You'd be hard pressed to get a decent halfback down south if he left, one year is better than gone.

the cronkster will take over
 
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