I say that about Freddie, because of his versatility. In his peak, he had speed and strength. He was very versatile. If need be, Freddie could have slotted into the back row of the scrum, or filled in at centre ( where he started his career ). Joey's short kicking game is superior to Freddies, and his goal kicking is a definate plus. I think Freddie matches Joey in his passing game and is a shade in front of him in his running game. They are both great defensive players. I would definately put Joey in front of Freddie now, but Freddie is a couple of years past his peak, and in his peak I believe he was as good as Joey. That's just my opinion. I say that in respect to his rugby league ability. As I said earlier in this thread, he has turned into a Yuppie, and thinks he is a pretty boy now, when really he is just a westie, and as you say Holla, his public speaking ability in virtually non-existent.