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Steve, I certainly don't consider myself an expert, and I wouldn't begin to tell someone who had a heart condition how to train. Your doctor is the one to ask.

I know you weren't making light of Grubrunners injury. Sorry about that, sometimes I can be stupidly vague.
 
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CanadianSteve

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Evilgrowler - don't worry, I'm going about things gradually and feeling fine. Just in general, forgetting about heart problems, I was wondering what people think is a good mix of cardio exercise and weight training - with the goal being general fitness and getting or staying trim.

 
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CanadianSteve

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That's referring to a bowling ball, right? I know you may not give a serious answer to this, but what kind of physical training do bowlers do? Any weights?
 

imported_E_A__

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I should, but I don't because I'm too lazy. It especially tells when I bowl in a tournament which Iwill be doing on Sunday week. 3 or 4 games of League is no problem but 12 games and I feel it.

Growler is probably the best person to answer that question.
 
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Overall fitness is what a bowler really needs. It's a sport of accuracy and endurance rather than power and speed.

Perhaps one could sqeaze a squash ball to help with extra revs on the ball. But most don't. Follow through and lift is all you need to do to gain revs.
 
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Exercise Instruction Arms: <table bordercolor=#003366 width="95%" align=center border=1> <tbody> <tr> <td width="25%"> Bench Dips
</td> <td width="22%"> EZ Curls
</td> <td width="25%"> Hammer Curls
</td> <td width="28%"> Incline D'bell Curls
</td></tr> <tr> <td width="25%"> Preacher Curls
</td> <td width="22%"> SkullCrushers
</td> <td width="25%"> Triceps Kickback
</td> <td width="28%"> Narrow Grip EZ BP
</td></tr></tbody></table> Back: <table bordercolor=#003366 width="94%" align=center border=1> <tbody> <tr> <td width="21%"> Bench Pull
</td> <td width="29%"> Bent Over Rows
</td> <td width="30%"> Close Grip Chins
</td> <td width="20%"> Deadlift
</td></tr> <tr> <td width="21%"></td> <td width="29%"> One arm dumbbell rows
</td> <td width="30%"> Wide Grip Chins
</td> <td width="20%"></td></tr></tbody></table> Chest: <table bordercolor=#003366 width="94%" align=center border=1> <tbody> <tr> <td width="25%"> Bench Press
</td> <td width="23%"> D'bell Bench Press
</td> <td width="26%"> Parallel Dips
</td> <td width="26%"> Incline Bench Press
</td></tr> <tr> <td width="25%"> Incline D'bell Flyes
</td> <td width="23%"> JM Press
</td> <td width="26%"> Narrow Grip B. Press
</td> <td width="26%"> Wide Grip Bench Press
</td></tr></tbody></table> Legs: <table bordercolor=#003366 width="95%" align=center border=1> <tbody> <tr> <td width="25%"> Leg Lunges
</td> <td width="21%"> Power Clean
</td> <td width="32%"> Stiff-Legged Deadlift
</td> <td width="22%"> Squat
</td></tr> <tr> <td width="25%"> Front Squat
</td> <td width="21%"></td> <td width="32%"></td> <td width="22%"></td></tr></tbody></table> Shoulders: <table bordercolor=#003366 width="94%" align=center border=1> <tbody> <tr> <td width="22%"> Arnolds
</td> <td width="32%"> D'bell Shoulder Press
</td> <td width="21%"> Front Raises
</td> <td width="25%"> Lateral Raises
</td></tr> <tr> <td width="22%"> Military Press
</td> <td width="32%"> Behind the neck Press
</td> <td width="21%"> Shrugs
</td> <td width="25%"> Upright Rows
</td></tr></tbody></table>

Some other links to sites with exercise directions. Many also have very good anatomical charts and the biomechanics of the movement-
[url]http://www.exrx.net/Lists/Directory.html[/url]
[url]http://www.2-fit.com/video/index.html[/url]
[url]http://www.alloutfitness.com/bodymap/bmap.htm[/url]
[url]http://www.strengthcoach.com/level.itml/icOid/74[/url]
[url]http://www.bsu.edu/webapps/strengthlab/home.htm[/url]
[url]http://www.drsquat.com/index.cfm?ac...le&amp;articleID=56[/url]
[url]http://www.hardcorebodybuilding.com/exercises.htm[/url]
[url]http://www.olympus.net/personal/cablebar/index.htm[/url]
[url]http://asp.elitefts.com/qa/default.asp?tid=51[/url]
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imported_Outlaw

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Grubrunner, if you do make a return here (I hope all is well) I have a question for you.
In reply number 89you stated this:
Depending on the sport you play and the activities you engage in, especially ifits vigorous or srenuous, my personal recommended supplements are: Thermogenics (not for everyone).
Well I did some research into some of those supplements you recommended. Now I know that you said it (Thermogenics ) wasn't suitable for everyone.The Thermogenicsis an interesting one. I beleive fat burning supplements contain the substanceephedra. Recently in the USA, the substance ephedra was responsible for the death of a young Baseball player.
Here's the story:
(AP) — A week after Orioles pitcher Steve Bechler died of heatstroke, the lawyer for his pregnant widow vowed to sue the maker of Xenadrine RFA-1, the diet supplement/fat burnerBechler was believed to be taking and that may have contributed to his death.
The supplement contains the controversial stimulant ephedra.
David Meiselman, who was retained last week by Kiley Bechler, revealed plans on Monday to sue Cytodyne Technologies of Manasquan, N.J., in a telephone interview with The Washington Post from his White Plains, N.Y., office.
"Our position very clearly is that Steve Bechler is dead, and that ephedra killed him," Meiselman said. "We intend to get this product off the shelves and put the manufacturer out of business. ... I am all for free enterprise, but a company that knowingly sells a product that kills people is no longer entrepreneurial, but predatory."
Bechler died Feb. 17, one day after collapsing on a practice field near the end of the Orioles' third workout of spring training.
Joshua Perper, the Broward County medical examiner, cited preliminary findings during a Feb. 18 news conference that Bechler's use of ephedra was a contributing factor in his death. Perper's final report, including results of toxicology tests, is expected to be completed and released within two weeks.
"Yes, ephedra was one of the significant elements" in Bechler's death, Perper told The Washington Post on Monday. He also cited several other factors, including an enlarged heart, slight hypertension, a liver abnormality and borderline high-blood pressure.
Xenadrine RFA-1, a bottle of which was found in Bechler's locker after his collapse, contains a warning label saying the consumer should consult a physician before using it "if you are at risk ... for heart disease, high blood pressure, recurrent headaches, liver, thyroid or psychiatric disease."
Meiselman did not put a figure on the planned lawsuit and said its filing was still "weeks away." He said he has not considered whether he believes the Orioles are also liable for Bechler's death, saying the team has "handled everything in the way we would want it to be handled."
When Minnesota Vikings offensive lineman Korey Stringer died of heatstroke Aug. 1, 2001, his family filed a $100 million wrongful-death suit that named Vikings coaches, trainers and medical personnel. Although a bottle of a diet supplement that contained ephedra was found in Stringer's locker, an autopsy failed to find any in his system.
In its statement, Cytodyne placed blame on the Orioles. "It's unfortunate that the Orioles' organization has chosen to ignore the fact that Mr. Bechler had a history of hypertension, liver disease and heat illness episodes and that he was allowed to exercise without proper hydration and nutrition."
Team officials have said their on-field coaching and training staffs did all they could to save Bechler's life, and Perper has praised their quick actions. The team also said it was unaware of Bechler's use of the supplement and that it does not condone its use.
In the meantime, the Orioles have set in motion plans for financial assistance for Kiley Bechler, who is expecting the couple's first child, a girl she plans to name Haley, in April.
Ephedra, which has been linked to 88 deaths according to the Food and Drug Administration, is used in other products by companies other than Cytodyne.
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Do you or anyone elsehave any comments on this tragic story and alleged link to ephadrine?
 
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Vertigo

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This is big front page news here and frequently soaks up sporting shows. It really is a tragic story that has shaken up the MLB.
Xenadrine (Cytodone Technologies)and Hydroxycut (Muscletech)are very popular thermogenic fat-burners that are frequently usedhere in the US, and have been for many years now. They are only two of many different brands available that are flooding the US supplement market. They are used regularly by not only sporting athletes (pros and non-pros), but also from the overweight housewife, to the out of shape high school kid, to the 50hour/weekwhite-collared worker. They are sold openly in retail stores like Wal-Mart and K-Mart. Not just specialty supplement shops like GNC and Vitamin Shoppe.
I, personally, know of many people who have used one of these products and have lost from aconsiderable amoount of weight toan obscene amount of weight.
Simply, they work!
The thermogenic industry is a multi-million dollar industry here. Ephedra is banned by ALL the major sports governing bodies here (and internationally I believe) except for MLB. If ephedra is to blame for this promising young man's death, then the MLB have shot themselves in the foot. They should wear the law suit, not the manufacturers of the product.
I think (and I stand to be corrected here) that ephedra based supplements are banned in Australia. They are not even available for purchase.
And here is Cytodone Technologies's (the makers of Xenadrine) reply to Mr. Meiselman's accusations and assumptions.
Cytodyne Technologies responded to Mr. Meiselman's accusations with a statement, that read in part:
"The death of Steve Bechler is tragic and our condolences go out to his family. However, the position of the attorney making this accusation is based on neither fact nor science. Xenadrine has been used safely and effectively by over 20 million people in the U.S. alone. ... There is not a single clinical study that has shown ephedra to be unsafe. In view of this, it's reckless for anyone to point blame for Mr. Bechler's tragic death at this product. "
adding...
"Moreover, it is even more irresponsible to make those accusations considering they have no evidence whatsoeverat this time that Mr. Bechler even used this product."
PS; Both Xenadrine and Hydroxycut (recently-about three months ago) brought out the non-ephedra based version of their products. Does that tell you something? If so, it's a case of too little too late for Orioles pitcher Steve Bechler.
If so.
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Vertigo

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Here is the product in question;
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And here is the WARNING label on the product;
<u>Warning:</u> Not intended for use by anyone under the age of 18. Do not use if you are pregnant or nursing. Consult a physician or licensed health professional before using this product if you are at risk of, have a family history of, or are being treated for heart disease, high blood pressure, recurrent headaches, liver thyroid or psychiatric disease, diabetes, pernicious anemia, glaucoma, nervousness, anxiety, depression, seizure disorder, cardiac, arrythmia, stroke, pheochromacytoma, difficulty in urination or prostate enlargement. Do not use if you are taking a monoamine oxidase inhibitor(MAOI) (or for two weeks after taking an MAO) or any other prescription drug containing ephedrine, pseudoephedrine, or phenylpropanolamine (ingredients found in certain allergy, asthma, cough/cold and weight control products.) Exceeding recommended serving will not improve results and may cause serious adverse health effects including heart attack and stroke. Discontinue use and call a healthcare professional immediately if you experience rapid heartbeat, dizziness, severe headache, shortness of breath or similar symptoms. Individuals who consume additional caffeine with this product may experience serious adverse health effects. Each serving contains 20mg of ephedrine.
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I, personally, know of many people who have used one of these products and have lost from aconsiderable amoount of weight toan obscene amount of weight.
Please! Where can I get this stuff from?!?
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Vertigo

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This will be my final post on the "ephedra" issue asI do not want to sway the thread topic any further than I already of.
For those who are interested here is an excellent Webpage on Ephedra.
C-Steve, if you think the warning label on Xenadrine is scary, have a read of the biggest selling Thermogenic/fat burning supplement in the USA, Hydroxycut.
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<table cellspacing=0 cellpadding=0 width="100%" border=0> <tbody> <tr> <td colspan=5><u>Warning: </u>Not intended for use by persons under 18. Do not use if you are pregnant or nursing. Consult a physician (medical doctor) before using if you have been treated for or diagnosed with, or have a family history of, or have any indication of, any medical condition including but not limited to to- high blood pressure, cardiac arrhythmias, heart, liver, kidney, thyroid, or psychiatric disease, psychosis, bipolar disorder, stroke, angina, recurrent headaches, pheochromacytoma, diabetes, asthma, bleeding disorder, anemia, glaucoma, nervousness, anxiety, depression, seizure disorder, peptic ulcers, Parkinson's disease, difficulty urinating, prostate enlargement or if you are using a monoamine oxidase inhibitor (MAOI) or any other dietary supplement, prescription drug or over-the-counter drug containing ephedrine, caffeine, pseudophedrine or phenylpropanolamine (ingredients found in certain decongestants, allergy, asthma, cough/cold and weight control products). The maximum recommended serving of ephedrine for a healthy adult is 100 mg in a 24 hour period for not more than 12 weeks. Stop use for 2 weeks after 12 weeks of continous use. Consult a physician before starting any diet or exercise program. Discontinue use and call a physician immediately, if you experience rapid and/or nervousness, tingling sensations, chest pain, noticeable changes in behavior, loss of consciousness or other similar symptoms. Exceeding the recommended serving and/or improper use of this product will not improve results and may cause serious adverse health effects including heart attack and stroke. Improper use of this product includes but is not limited to- use of the product other than as recommended, use of the product for more than 12 weeks , use of this product in combination with aspirin, any anti-coagulant (the blood thinner), or any other ephedrine group alkaloid, or caffeine, or other ingredients that have a known stimulant effect. Products that have a stimulant effect amy include prescription drugs or over-the- counter drugs used as decongestants or for allegy, asthma, cough/colds or weight control and certain dietary supplements and herbal or botanical products. Stop taking 2 weeks before surgery. Do not use with alcohol. Do not use if you have a historyof drug use. Product not to be used by aspirin (salicin) sensitive individuals. Do not use during strenuous activity in high temperature conditions. Use only as directed. Do not use if imprinted seal under cap is broken. Store in a cool dry place (59 - 77 F). The sale of this product to persons 17 years of age or younger in Texas is prohibited. KEEP OUT OF REACH OF CHILDREN.</td></tr> <tr> <td nowrap height=5></td></tr> <tr> <td colspan=5>Before beginning any program of weight loss, consult your health care practitioner. These statements have not been evaluted by the FDA. This product is not intended to diagnose, treat, cure or prevent any disease.
PS; I look forward to Grubrunner's return and furtherinput on this (the thread topic)issue.
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I don't go for these fat burning supplements. There's only one way and it's 100% guaranteed. Proper diet and exercise. You need nothing else except for your own determination and will power, which you still need if you take that stuff or not.

Only you can lose the fat.
 
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I found this article floating on the boards of another Health &amp; Fitness MSNCommunity. It's for those people here who may have hired or are thinking of hiring a personal trainer. I'm not sayingI agree or not. I'm just posting it for educational purposes.
It's written by a USA Writer for a USA Magazine - URL, so the organization names in the articlemay not be familiar to some,but the jist of the article is well worth the space it's taking upon this thread discussion
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So You Want To Be A PERSONAL TRAINER...?
A Testosterone Exposé - By: Nelson Montana
The following story is <u>true</u>. The names have been changed to protect my ass!
Hiring a personal trainer is becoming the new status symbol. So what? It would be a fair assumption that Testosterone readers are, for the most part, war-torn gym rats who know their way around the various exercise techniques necessary to build a better body without hiring an expensive training partner. It's more likely that an experienced weight trainer like the people who read Testosterone might be interested in g<u>iving</u> a few personal training sessions to make some extra money. Why not? The public is more "body image" conscious than ever and that image is no longer just looking "fit." Have you seen the ads for the various health clubs lately, catered to appeal to the general public? The models look, dare I say, <u>steroidal</u>! If someone is willing to pay for advice on how to achieve that look, who better than a bodybuilder for knowing the most efficacious methods toward building muscle and burning fat? Right?
Not so fast big-boy! Don't forget that we live in a society where one's knowledge is of little concern and even less importance. People want "credentials." Documents, diplomas, certifications, and titles, all are designed to assure (and assume)legitimacy and professionalism. Or so we’re led to believe. It's amazing how much trust someone will put in another, as long as they have a few letters following their name. As Grandpa Montana was known to say,
That fellow said he had a BS and a PhD. Well, we all know what the BS stands for, I guess the PhD means, "Piled Higher and Deeper!"
Nevertheless, "formal training" in the area of exercise effectiveness, physiology, and nutrition has become something that is now "institutionalized." In order to work as a personal trainer in most places, you must become certified. But by whom? And who governs this information? Just because someone takes an eight-week course {at best} designed by God-knows-who, does that make him or her an expert? Evidently. It reminds me of when I was 16 and working at my first job in a majordepartment store. A woman approached me and asked my opinion on a car safety seat for her baby. Why was she asking me...a stupid kid? Well, I was employed by the store and wearing an orange smock, so apparently I was an expert on the subject. At times, it seems that people will trust any opinion but their own, as long as that opinion has been verified by someone else. The organizers of the various personal training associations know this. That's why they developed this cookie cutter approach to fitness education for profit. Think of it as the "Pizza Hut" of bodybuilding.
The <u>great </u>Vince Gironda must be rolling over in his grave! Your Mission, Should You Decide to Take It...
Most of the Testosterone crew share the same pejorative view of anyone who thinks they're hot shit simply because they have a trainer's certificate or “look the part“. This is why Testosterone decided to let me loose and investigate some of the organizations that offer licenses; licenses that guarantee anyone immediate status as an exercise and nutrition "authority" or “expert” as long as that anyone has between $300 to $1200 to pay for the privilege. The first step was to check out some of the methods by which these schools teach. In an effort not to single out any particular organization, and to get an equitable overview of the industry as a whole, I called to purchase a few "study courses" from several of the more popular organizations. The first operator I spoke to was a little more effervescent than I could handle that early in the day. He had a speaking style reminiscent of Tony Little with exaltations about how excited I must be to "join the thousands of ambitious men and women who have made the decision to become a personal trainer!!!"
Yeah, whatever. How much pal? Basking in the Glow of a Job Well Done
The majority of "study" in all of these courses is done at home. Some are <u>entirel</u>y home study with no requirement to attend seminars or classes of any kind. One company even allows you to take the <u>exam</u> at home! My, what an honor it must be for you to receive your diploma from that place. Damn they must be credible! Maybe get a nice frame for it. Imagine swelling with pride as you gaze upon it. Your shining hour immortalized. Pfff...! Back to School
One look through these manuals and I knew I was in trouble. In all fairness, they do cover some anatomy and kinesiology that would be beneficial to someone who needed a better understanding of those subjects, but much of that information can be found in any number of books available at your local Barnes &amp; Noble for about twenty bucks. Most courses also require that you get a certificate in CPR. A good} if not great} idea for most anyone. It can be learned in a single afternoon. But the majority of the material contained in these journals is, what I believe to be, overly simplistic, yet intentionally convoluted at best. Much of it is outdated and inaccurate. Whoever is writing this stuff is hilariously misinformed! The approach to nutrition is to "use the food pyramid presented by the AMA as your guide." Anyone with half an operative cerebrum knows that the food pyramid is both {severely} obsolete and close to worthless for the training adult. There's hardly any mention of supplementation, but one agency goes so far as to claim that amino acids act like drugs! What?!?! I wish. As far as any mention of real drugs go, they have their heads so far up their asses that they don't even know how ridiculous and ludicrous they actually portray themselves to be. Take a look at page 313 of the acclaimed ACE {American Council on Exercise} manual. There you will find the statement below, and I quote: “Steroid use does not bring about any significant improvements in strength, size, lean body mass, or body weight.”I'm glad we got <u>that</u> cleared up! All this time I was foolishly thinking Dianabol, Decaand Winstrol was working wonders, but I was wrong. Correct?I guess it was the handful of BC amino acid tablets and whey protienall along. Pfff...!
Within the entire 529 pages of the ACE manual, there are exactly two sentences on squatting technique! You read that right, TWO!...SENTENCES! That's all you need according to these clowns. In all fairness {please notice the sarcasm in my text}, there's an additional two sentences on spotting for the squat. Yep, now you know what you're doin', and you’re ready to challenge Dr. Hatfield in form, technique, volume, intensity etc... P-L-E-A-S-E-!!!
This is <u>not </u>an endorsement, by any means, but for what it's worth, the NFPT {National Federation of Personal Trainers} and {to a greater extent} the ACSM {American College of Sports Medicine} had what looked like more of a "bodybuilding-like" approach to their instructional methods. This led me to think: Why can't a certification company simply recommend some good books on the subjects of training and nutrition {such as "The Poliquin Principles"} by credible and respected gurus in the industry, and test a potential trainer based on what he has amassed from said information? Oh yeah, I forgot. It isn't about what you know. It's about knowing what <u>the</u>y want you to know. Say What?
The one area that most of these organizations seem to be popping hard-ons over is the "science of evaluating heart rate." There are metabolic equivalent evaluations and clinical threshold values and Radio nuclide VO2 maxes. Literally dozens of calculations and equations designed to find that elusive ultimate heart rate necessary to provide you with the body of your dreams {providing that body resembles Gary Null}. There were so many formulas, I felt as if I needed a calculator, a computer, and an abacus to figure them out. First, there's the maximum heart rate determined by 220 minus your age divided, by your resting heart rate multiplied by how tall you are, plus the number of letters in your mother's maiden name, multiplied again by the number of draws you own, while adding the amount of vowels in the month and then {finally} subtracting the length of your penis.... plus four.
The joke of it all is that none of this stuff means anything. It is all pseudo intellectual hogwash. There's no magically "perfect" heart rate for optimum results and the notion that it can be arrived at in an exact manner is ludicrous. I believe this nonsense is nothing more than specious bullying, not unlike legalese, which also has its own special and confusing "language" understood only by lawyers. No one else outside of the "fraternity" can comprehend this deluge of gibberish excrement. Therefore, the "uninformed" need help in achieving that level of understanding. f**k 'em! I won't give them the satisfaction. Can I Be Excused?
The next step was to go out in the field and get a feel of the education process, so I attended a seminar that was being held downtown. The lecture dealt mostly with the basics: obtaining a balanced diet, the difference between complex carbohydrates and simple carbohydrates, stuff like that. They also spoke, at length, about cardiovascular fitness and the importance of aerobics. After about an hour {but what seemed like days} into the class, I was slipping into a cozy little coma when the instructor, "Jonathan," turned the topic of conversation to proper nutrition for optimum muscle growth. Hell yeah! That got my attention.
My face must have taken on the look of a recent lobotomy patient when the teacher said:

"It isn't really protein that builds muscle, it's carbohydrates."
Wait just one bloody minute! I replied, giving him the chance to redeem himself. You mean that carbohydrates will provide fullness to a muscle because their presence in the bloodstream increases volume, but it's protein that builds muscle tissue, right?
"No," he said, "that's where you're wrong. You see, most people eat far more protein than they need. As long as you eat four servings of grains and include beans, nuts, and legumes in your diet, you will..."
That's the last thing I remember before merrily nodding off again. Zzzz...!
Upon regaining consciousness from my stupor, I recall hearing some advice pertaining to the "presentation" of working with a client. Jonathan mentioned that the trainer should make sure that the client feels a "burn" while they're exercising {is that the same kind of burning I get when my hemorrhoids flare up, I wondered}; otherwise they won't feel as if they're getting their money's worth! I was too numb to argue with this bullshit. In fact... I couldn’t be bothered with this moron any longer. “f**k him!” I said. Back to something more productive for hypertrophy...Zzz...! Come On, I Can Take It
The sample test was loads of fun for the whole family. I'm not sure if the testing is meant to confuse or the perpetrators of this tripe are dumber than I thought. Here are a few examples: How many servings of vegetables are recommended each day? What does that mean? What size are the servings they're referring to?
If a man weighing 160 pounds cycles at 5 mph for 30 minutes on a stationary bicycle, how many calories will he burn?
Who knows? If he's out of shape, he will exert more energy than if the activity is easier. Even if you could figure it out, the energy expended at one activity is kind of meaningless. Besides, riding a stationary bike hurts my balls! Big time!
True or false? Increasing protein intake will build more muscle.
Now, do I go with what I know, or do I go by what this jerk-off just said? Do they mean in conjunction with exercise, or simply an increase of grams? I said "true." The answer was "false." f**k! Here's another example question from an NSCA {National Strength and Conditioning Association} exam:
If someone has lower back pain, which of the following weight training exercises would be least appropriate to include in the program?
A) Bench press
B) Bicep curl
C) Abdominal crunch
D) Shoulder press
Least appropriate? WTF?!?! It all depends on the form, the weight, concentric and eccentric technique, etc. There are so many factors, it's close to impossible to say. But hey! The NSCA will tell us otherwise... Pfff!
Trying to make all of this into an exact science is pure folly. By the time they got to the questions about the formula to determine 60% of the maximum HR for a 40-year-old woman, I started to think that anybody who believes that this information, makes them skilled in exercise expertise is kidding themselves... and {more importantly} their future potential clients. That’s the sad part! It was time to take the next step. Observe a training session first hand. Better yet, after sitting for so long I was feeling a bit lethargic, and felt as if I needed to move my body. By allowing myself to be trained by a "certificate owner," I could kill two birds with one stone. Right? Yeah right! I Think I Can Taste My Spleen
I don't know what I was thinking, but I decided to actually participate in an aerobics class. The class was about to begin and I wasn't looking forward to it. The music alone is enough to make you wish for a swift and sudden death. I was feigning ignorance {easy for me to do} to the instructor, Sandy, prior to the catabolic onslaught. Sandy was a pretty but vacuous little pop tart. She told me that being an aerobics instructor was totally "awesome" and really helped her dancing "a whole lot." I said that I was interested in maybe getting my certification in aerobic instruction {oh, how I hated hearing the words come out of my mouth, but hey, it's like acting. Right?}. I asked what organization she belonged to. It turns out that there's a separate certification just for aerobics teachers and personal trainers. {So now they're specialists!} She belonged to AFAA {Aerobics and Fitness Association of America}. She then remarked "Oh, you should go for it! 'Cause you got, like, a <u>really </u>good body and stuff, and the money is <u>really </u>good, and it <u>really </u>helped my dancing a whole lot!" Um, yeah. So I've heard Ms. Airhead. Dunce!
The class was pretty much what you would expect with the obligatory "woo-woos" and "yee-haas"and the frenzied shrieks of enthusiasm. I was going along with the foolishness {minus the woo-woos and yee-haas} when I noticed out of the corner of my eye, a woman, approximately 50 years old, looking very pained. She stopped and clutched her chest. Now I was genuinely worried. I stopped the inane hopping around and started walking her way, assuming that Sandy didn't notice the fact that this woman was over-exerting herself. Suddenly, Sandy let out a shout of "DON"T STOP!!!" At first I thought she was yelling at me, but it turns out she was yelling at the woman holding her chest! "KEEP GOING!" the insipid twit insisted. "WORK IT OUT! WORK IT OUT!" "Are you all right?" I asked, as I approached the woman in pain. "Yeah, I'm okay," she panted. "It's tough, but Sandy's the <u>best</u>! She really makes me work!" I felt so badly for this woman, putting her trust in that geniused bimbo dunce. Yet, she wanted to continue. "Just don't push too hard and stop if you feel discomfort, okay?" I said. "I'll be fine," the middle-aged matron replied. "Hey, if it doesn't hurt, it isn't working, right?" She recommenced the jumping. I guess that seminar instructor was right. Some people do have a need to hurt themselves in order to feel as if they're getting something out of the endeavor. I walked out on the remainder of the class. I didn’t want to be a witness to a manslaughter. Is It All right If I Deep-Fry That?
The next stop was a "nutritional consultation" with the health club's staff nutritionist, "Matthew," who looked as if his maximum bench press was about 85 pounds on the very best of days. I asked politely for his qualifications. He said he was a “registered dietitian” and a member of something cleverly entitled FIT {Fitness Institute for Training}. Sounds good, I thought, so I asked if he could suggest a diet for me because I wanted to put on more muscle. "So, what's a normal day of eating for you?" He asked, a little too politely. "Well," I said, "I start out with about a half dozen eggs. I drink lots of milk throughout the day. My typical lunch consists of some kind of meat, usually steak or hamburger and a salad with..." "That's no good!!!" He squealed like a bitch. "Yeah," I replied, "I was thinking of dropping the salad, but..." "You're not going to make it to 35 if you keep eating like that!" "But I'm already over 40, so I guess I've got nothing to worry about, huh?" "Your cholesterol must be through the roof!" He exclaimed. "My cholesterol is 140." Looking flustered, he remarked, "That must be because you have a genetic disposition for low cholesterol!" "Well, if cholesterol is genetically determined, why are you freaking out over what I'm eating?" I asked. He sidestepped the question with a couple of inaudible words under his breath. I think he was getting more than a trifle irritated by my statements.
I then started asking him about supplements.
"Is Tribulus Terrestris good? (Blank stare.) I heard that it increases luteinizing hormone. (Blank stare continued getting blanker.) Are they all the same, or should I stick with the extract?" “What about creatine? Is the cell volumizing effect beneficial for me, or should I scrap it.” Now I see a look of panic in his eyes.
After clearing his throat a couple of times, he continued with this excrement:
"The best thing to take is a good anti-oxidant formula. For a man your age, I would recommend Centrum Silver. (At this point, all I could do was try and ignore that voice in my head that kept repeating, kill...kill...kill...) Eat a low-fat, high-carbohydrate diet..."
"So I should eat potatoes, rice, pasta?" I snapped. "Won't that make me fat?" "Oh, no," he assured me. "They are all low-fat foods." {This is where I started grinding my teeth.} "So bread is good?" I asked. "Only whole wheat bread, not white. Pasta is good. So is rice. Lots of fruit, no sugar." "But isn't pasta and white bread the same thing? Isn't fruit all sugar?" He looked confused. "What about protein?" I asked. "Try to get it from sources like yogurt and tofu."
It was obvious that this conversation was going nowhere so I thought I'd do a little ball breaking.
"TOFU!" I shouted. "Mmmm, mmmm....I <u>love</u> tofu with melted mozzarella and bacon on whole wheat bread!"
He was getting visibly annoyed. My work here was done. I was immensely content with this educated fool! Take Two Anadrol and Call Me in the Morning
The final stop was at my gym where the trainers tend to be real bodybuilders. "Rick" is a physically impressive young man. Tall, good-looking, and obviously well versed in the delights of chemically assistance aids. Rick has more clients {mostly women} than any of the other trainers. And why shouldn't he? He looks great! He must know what he's doing. Right?
As if!
I didn't want to impose on the man's business, so I nonchalantly went about my workout, making sure I stayed within an earshot of what was transpiring between Rick and one of his zaftig customers. The first thing he had her do was walk on the treadmill {at a set speed} for fifteen minutes {can't do <U>that</U> without an exercise expert present. Correct?}. He then had her going through a random assortment of exercises. I gave up trying to figure out what muscle groups were being targeted and {apparently} recruited. There didn't seem to be any rhyme or reason to what he was doing. At one point, while she was doing barbell curls {incorrectly}, Rick took out his cell phone and started making calls! When she was squatting {again incorrectly}, he didn't even provide a proper spot. He stood there with his hands on his hips looking at his physique in the gym’s mirrors, flexing pathetically, and looking bored and counting reps like he was doing her a big favor. Un-bloody-believable!!! What It All Comes Down To
Is everyone who has a degree in personal training a clueless cretin? Not at all. There are many very good personal trainers. Predominantly, those who have had years of hand-on experience, coupled with an array of clients from various walks of life, are exceptions. There are far and few in between though. To most, it's a springboard. The first step towards having a better understanding of nutrition and training techniques. Many already highly skilled people go through the motions of getting accredited by one of these organizations because they wouldn't be allowed to work otherwise. It's a racket. Whaddya gonna' do? I heard Charles Poliquin speak at a clinic for trainers not too long ago, and he had the best advice I'd ever heard concerning personal training. {I may be paraphrasing, but...} He told the students, "get to know your client’s <u>personalit</u>y. That can be the most important aspect in determining results versus wasted effort." How so bloodytrue! What do you think a trainee would best respond to, judging from their personality? Are they the type that needs to be pushed? Or will the slave driver approach turn them off? Are you giving them something that they will find beneficial, or are you trying to find that extra one-percent heart rate elevation? Are you educating them as you go along, or are you playing mach-man? Knowing how to read people and provide the proper impetus towards having them reach their goals is what will matter most in the long run. Personal training is a luxury that ordinary people pay handsomely for. They deserve your undivided attention. Respect the fact that at least they're trying. When you work with someone that closely, they begin to confide in you, and a good trainer will need to know how to be a good listener <u>as well as</u> a knowledgeable exercise coach. There is a place for personal trainers, but after observing the assorted "certification schools," I'm not so sure they're the place to go for cutting-edge information or even qualified expertise. They don't guarantee a quality education. They don't assure competence. Hell, they won't even help you find a job. They say they will, but all they really do is "suggest" where to go. You're on your own pal. At best, a personal training program may prove beneficial as an adjunct to your knowledge of physiology. At worst, they're erroneous and misinformed allegations about diet and exercise may do more harm than good. If you're looking to educate yourself with real-world, applicable information, you don't need to have a fancy title. Prestige is often directly related to how much money you have to spend. Many of the world's greatest minds never had any "legitimate" education in the field in which they excelled. The Wright Brothers <u>didn't </u>study aviation one iota. Van Gogh <u>never </u>attended art school in his illustrious life. John Lennon and Paul McCartney had <u>no </u>formal training in music composition whatsoever. They accomplished what they did through the process of observation and doing. In layman's terms: hands on! After that, it all depends on how much talent and passionyou have for the industry. Nothing else
So the next time somebody boasts "I'm a genuine certified personal trainer..." you may think, big deal ass-wipe! But don't hold it against them. They might know what they're talking about in spite of it. But I'll bet you dollars to dimes that the average body-builder knows more. Regardless, you may want to earn some extra cash as a personal trainer, or maybe even make personal training your career.
Here's what <u>we </u>recommend: Read everything you can about Anatomy, Nutrition, Endocrinology, and Strength Training and Bodybuilding. Maybe {even} take a few courses at the local college in any or all of these subjects. Read "The Poliquin Principles." Try to attend one of Coach Poliquin's seminars. In fact, attend as many hands-on seminars as possible, as long as they're given by reputable and credible industry experts. Not wanna’bees with an online or home study certification. Those with hands-on in the field experience. That is the very best “certification” you can hold in the strength and fitness industry. Hand-on the job experience. Period! No amount of framed certifications or diplomas can compensate for it. This is not the profession where book-savvy dominates. Except no substitutes! Then, after you've done all that, get your certification. Play by their rules, regardless of how <u>ridiculous</u> and <u>outrageous </u>some {many} of those rules may be. It doesn't matter. Once you have your certificate, you can start to train people the right way, <u>your </u>way. Good luck! A few of {but not limited to} the better organizations include:
• American College of Sports Medicine {ACSM}: 800-486-5643
• National Federation of Personal Trainers {NFPT}: 800-729-6378
• International Sports and Science Association {ISSA} (Strength coach Charles Staley's &amp; Fred "Dr. Squat's organization): 800-892-ISSA Now, go out and make <u>us </u>proud!
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Some great links provided in this very good thread that I just finished reading.
Just wondering though. Has anyone here actually tried Creatine Monohydrate? If anyone has, what was your experience with it like? Would you recommend it or not? Any side effects? Any other comments would be appreciated by me.
I know the links provided have some good information, but there's nothing like real world experience from users.
Thanks.

 
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G'day navigator, I've been using Creatine for over 3 years in bi-monthly periods. I've had no side affects with it, but certain liquids and foods can't be taken while using Creatine.

Coffee and citrus fruits are out. Orange juice, soft drinks are also out. These create a nasty bi-product in your system when mixed with Creatine. I can't remember the details.

After loading for a week you'll notice a strength increase and more stamina. However, this is only temporary. It's best taken for 6 - 8 weeks at a time. Let your body flush it from your system. Give it 2 - 4 weeks before you start loading again.
 

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