When is an 8 point try awarded?

[Balmain_Boy]

David Hall then I gather.

:lol:

Correct. Hard to imagine big Wes Hall of West Indian fame strolling over.

Anyway, it was definitely David Hall.

 

[thuganomics]

The last 8 point try was in 2003 in a match against the Eels and the Knights at EAS.

Matt Peterson scored and Steve Simpson came in afterwards and drove his knees into a diving peterson. Michael Witt then missed the conversion from the sideline but converted the one from right in front.

 

[jimmythehand]

I challenge you to find any reference in the rule book where it calls it an '8 point try.'

Don't you know what a "nickname" is? Everyone calls it an 8 point try.

 

[Steel Dragon]

Don't you know what a "nickname" is? Everyone calls it an 8 point try.

Don't you know what a widely accepted, yet incorrect term is?:crazy:

 

[SpaceMonkey]

8 point try and a penalty try is the same thing

as someone else mentioned, the only difference to a normal try, is you get a second penalty shot from right in front, so you are pretty much guaranteed to get at least 6 points, from the infringement, if the other shot is out wide

They are not the same thing. A penalty try is awareded when a player is PREVENTED from scoring a try by a blatant foul. The try is awarded and the conversion taken from directly in front.
An 8 point try is when the try is scored and the player is fouled while scoring the try or immediately after, the try is awarded as per normal and the scoring team also get a second shot at goal for the penalty.

 

[Sanchez]

Didnt even know that a 8 point try existed

 

[Muffdaddy]

In Rugby Union??? Is that when you score from a rebounded Field Goal attempt that ricochets off the corner post?

 

[Muffdaddy]

Or was that an 8-ball try???

Thats when Wendell scores before the game....

 

[jimmythehand]

Don't you know what a widely accepted, yet incorrect term is?:crazy:

How can a "nickname" be incorrect? :? It is called an "8 point try" because 8 points can be scored as a result of the try. Your discussion is based around your incorrect assumption of how the "name" came about. It's not called an "8 point try" because the try itself is worth 8 points (der).

 

[petetheileet]

They are not the same thing. A penalty try is awareded when a player is PREVENTED from scoring a try by a blatant foul. The try is awarded and the conversion taken from directly in front.
An 8 point try is when the try is scored and the player is fouled while scoring the try or immediately after, the try is awarded as per normal and the scoring team also get a second shot at goal for the penalty.

Cant believe it took 25 posts for sum1 to get it completely right! lol

 

[Steel Dragon]

How can a "nickname" be incorrect? :? It is called an "8 point try" because 8 points can be scored as a result of the try. Your discussion is based around your incorrect assumption of how the "name" came about. It's not called an "8 point try" because the try itself is worth 8 points (der).

You do realise you are contradicting yourself, right?:crazy:

Why do commentators regularly refer to normal everyday run of the mill tries as 'four pointers' - when 6 points can be scored as a result of the try?

 

[jimmythehand]

okay, let's not call it an 8 point try, let's call it a "4 point try with the possibility of it turning into 6 points. If it turns into 6 points then it has the possibility of turning into 8".

Gee that would roll off the tongue well! Why do you think nicknames are invented?

Dufus.

The origins of the nickname "4 pointer" have nothing to do with the origins of the nickname "8 point try".

 

[Steel Dragon]

Source - http://library.thinkquest.org/3369/rugby/rule.htm#13

13.9) If a player fouls an opponent who is touching down for a try, a penalty kick at goal shall be taken from in front of the goal-posts after the attempt to convert the try. After the kick has been taken the ball shall be deemed dead and play shall be restarted from the half-way line. This Law applies to the period during which the ball is touched down for a try and not to any subsequent period.


Another interesting point....

13.10)

a) If a player fouls an opponent who is attempting a drop-goal, a penalty kick shall be awarded in front of the goal-posts.

b) If the attempt at drop goal is successful, a kick at goal must be taken from the penalty kick and play restarted from the centre of the half-way line irrespective of the outcome of that kick.

c) If the attempt at drop goal is unsuccessful, the penalty kick can be taken in any manner provided for in the Laws and play restarted according to the outcome of that kick.

 

[Pierced Soul]

i have a feelingmatt bowen was awarded a dubious penalty try against the pantehrs (?) last year he was interefered with whislt chasing a ball into the in goal area and wasnt going to get it anyway but somehow the video ref deemed it a penalty try

 

[newman]

Wonder how many of the refs know some of these more obscure rules. The FG rules could be very interesting in Golden Point....

 

[jimmythehand]

Those might not be the official rules. The article mentioned something about 1996 and the RFL which I think is a UK organisation. Does anyone have a link to the official rules?

 

[hrundi99]

Or was that an 8-ball try???

Thats when Wendell scores before the game....

:lol: :sarcasm:

 

[Leagueguy]

Ok what about this.

Say Brisbane plays the ball in their own half, it goes to Lockyer and he puts through a kick for one of his wingers. After puting in the kick he's taken out with an elbow by a player running through. However no one sees this and one of the wingers manages to get the ball and runs away to score a try. The video referee is called though to check the onside, which is fine, but he also notices Lockyer get taken out. Is this an 8 point try?

 

[innsaneink]

An 8 point try situation should have been given to the Cowboys on Saturday High tackle on Sing by Tupou as the try was scored Went through to the keeper

It reminded me of the Ainscough incident.

 

[Steel Dragon]

Ok what about this.

Say Brisbane plays the ball in their own half, it goes to Lockyer and he puts through a kick for one of his wingers. After puting in the kick he's taken out with an elbow by a player running through. However no one sees this and one of the wingers manages to get the ball and runs away to score a try. The video referee is called though to check the onside, which is fine, but he also notices Lockyer get taken out. Is this an 8 point try?

When awarding a penalty try, the referee has to be 100% sure that if the infringement did not occur a try would have been scored.

Which generally means when the kick is put through, the ball has to be stopped in the in goal and all the player has to do is place a hand on the ball to score the try.
This circumstance is generally the only instance where a penalty try should be awarded - although referees give some leeway and allow a circumstance where all the player has to do is fall over to score.
ie the 99 grand final.