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Where will SBW rank among the game's best ever second rowers?

Tone83

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SBW didn't have "heart" (it's really a "competitive" lightbulb that switches on) at his age either, he just had flashes of brilliance, much like Dave, only not as brilliant.
 

Tone83

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These fanboys will be unbearable if NZ win tonight.
Oh for sure. SBW's had fairytale luck and it's so annoying that it justifies the nuthugging and makes it all even more smug and obnoxious. If the fairytale continues tonight may god have mercy on us all.
 

Porkie

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To answer the OP's question. He probably won't rate at all with the greats of the game. If he does, it will be a long way behind Sam Burgess - the pending Golden Boot winner.
 

adamkungl

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SBW didn't have "heart" (it's really a "competitive" lightbulb that switches on) at his age either, he just had flashes of brilliance, much like Dave, only not as brilliant.

Oh for sure. SBW's had fairytale luck and it's so annoying that it justifies the nuthugging and makes it all even more smug and obnoxious. If the fairytale continues tonight may god have mercy on us all.

:lol: oh god. Dave Taylor. Just..

To answer the OP's question. He probably won't rate at all with the greats of the game. If he does, it will be a long way behind Sam Burgess - the pending Golden Boot winner.

SBW will win both the Golden Sonny and the Sonny B medal.
 

shiznit

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SBW didn't have "heart" (it's really a "competitive" lightbulb that switches on) at his age either, he just had flashes of brilliance, much like Dave, only not as brilliant.
:lol:

My god... You are deadset geniused.

Your comparing a 25yr old fringe first grader... With a bloke who's won a premiership with 2 different clubs and has just been voted as the best rugby league player in the world...

f**king geniused... :lol:
 

Tone83

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Voted this or that by some people, won championships with other people, none of this means much. How good is he at rugby league? Well, he's nearly as good as Dave Taylor.
 

Tone83

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Not much. I'm very specifically talking only about how good he is at playing rugby league. Not accomplishments, he has fallen way short in the accomplishments department as everyone knows and he needs to get his head right.

Equally you get people who have accomplished a lot despite not being great players. Dave is a freakishly good player who hasn't accomplished much at all, who struggles with consistency, struggles with effort, is immature, easily distracted, easily deflated and affected psychologically, and etc etc etc.

No one is arguing differently here, you all need to learn to compartmentalise and focus on the specifics of what's being discussed. Dave's ability to play rugby league is in the absolute highest most elite eschalon in the history of the sport. Extremely rarified air. I hope, and do believe, the rest will rise to meet that and the accomplishments will follow suit. But even if they don't, he is still always going to be one of the best players to ever lace a boot.
 

God-King Dean

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Not much. I'm very specifically talking only about how good he is at playing rugby league. Not accomplishments, he has fallen way short in the accomplishments department as everyone knows and he needs to get his head right.

Equally you get people who have accomplished a lot despite not being great players. Dave is a freakishly good player who hasn't accomplished much at all, who struggles with consistency, struggles with effort, is immature, easily distracted, easily deflated and affected psychologically, and etc etc etc.

No one is arguing differently here, you all need to learn to compartmentalise and focus on the specifics of what's being discussed. Dave's ability to play rugby league is in the absolute highest most elite eschalon in the history of the sport. Extremely rarified air. I hope, and do believe, the rest will rise to meet that and the accomplishments will follow suit. But even if they don't, he is still always going to be one of the best players to ever lace a boot.
 

Cloudsurfer

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Quote from Dominion Post, 30/11/2013


"....Never has this country needed Sonny Bill Williams more than at 3.30am tomorrow morning. :sarcasm:


At the 2011 Rugby World Cup Williams was little more than a bit part player for the All Blacks, where he was used mostly on the wing and only occasionally.
In the final against France he came on for the last four minutes, while in the semi-final against Australia he entered the game in the 72nd minute and was shown a yellow card three minutes later.
As a member of the All Blacks he was part of a team chock full of the world's best players in each position.
That's not the case with the Kiwis. Roger Tuivasa-Sheck, Jared Waerea-Hargreaves, Simon Mannering and Williams are probably the only four players who'd definitely make it into the starting teams if the two countries were combined.
But more than the other three, it will be Williams who'll be most needed in the final.
England were aware of that and tried to smash him whenever they could during last weekend's semifinal. As Williams carried his badly beaten up body out of Wembley Stadium it was no surprise when he said it was the toughest game he'd ever played in.
He can expect more of that sort of treatment from Australia, but once again he'll get stuck in and look to give as good as he gets.
There are so many strengths to the game of the newly crowned International Player of the Year, which was a remarkable feat after five years away from the game he first shot to prominence in.
His contribution to this Kiwis campaign has been on many levels and New Zealand coach Stephen Kearney says his impact has been massive.
"It has been fairly obvious from a performance point of view," Kearney said. "But when you look behind the scenes, the impact he's had on young guys like Alex Glenn and even Jesse Bromwich, who comes from a very professional environment at the Storm, he's really helped those young guys around him.
"Even Kevin Locke, he's started stretching before training and in meetings, so that sort of impact has been a real positive for young guys trying to find their way in international footy. :lol:
"I think that's been a real benefit for us as a group.
"His football knowledge is very good, he contributes to the team discussions in a real positive way and that's helped everyone.
"I know it's been of assistance to myself and Ivan [Cleary, assistant coach], so he's had a great contribution to the team."
All that Williams has really achieved in career so far has been at club level, he's helped the Roosters and Chiefs win titles. But in the early hours of tomorrow morning, he might just do it for his country too and then, he really will have established his legacy

Now there's the truth of it...
 
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TheDalek079

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Didn't he get MoM in his first All Blacks match? And he was a key member in last year's Bledisloe Cup triumph. Hardly achieving only at club level...
 

Cloudsurfer

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Not saying he isn't a good player because he is, but he's not as essential as all that...teams win without him. Not saying he can't make a difference in some games...but the hype is just that & a lot of it self-promoted, not the reality. I would believe he is humble etc etc if there weren't so many "I"s in everything he says. Let's see what tonight brings
 
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