Where's Vicious now?

[Vicious]

Lawrence would get caught out more in defence on the wing when to come in when to stay out etc. But please answer the question Vish. Has Junior's form been better than Ryan's?

On par. Ryan is a very willing footballer, but his lack of pace is my concern.

 

[simon says]

On par. Ryan is a very willing footballer, but his lack of pace is my concern.

I agree on Ryan......extremely willing,but terrible pace for a wingman.

In the Covell class there.

Thats why they have junior.A bit of pace there.

 

[themanonthehill]

As we saw the other night
Junior's pace is up there with Morris' `defence' and Shines' `coaching' as the modern myths of RL

 

[westie]

Just like collis' speed?

 

[themanonthehill]

Collis is about skill, class and guile
He's never been about pace
JB's only saving grace was his alleged `pace'
He showed as much pace as Hanrahan in 87 when we lost to Cronulla .. he had to run 20m (southern try line) and the nearest defender was at UTS rowers or GILLY's gym and they still picked him up before the try line

 

[hybrid_tiger]

I remember someone here a few years ago (think it may have been Yappy) saying that Hodgson will have to retire or move on earlier as McDonnell would just be too good to leave out of first grade.

ARF! :lol:

 

[851]

I agree on Ryan......extremely willing,but terrible pace for a wingman.

In the Covell class there.

Thats why they have junior.A bit of pace there.

totaly agree,Macca has done nothing wrong since getting a start this year,has made some good runs,taken some pressure bombs,he deserves his spot at the moment.

 

[simon says]

As we saw the other night
Junior's pace is up there with Morris' `defence' and Shines' `coaching' as the modern myths of RL

Seriously mate....the bloke was hemmed in after a terrible pass from Collis......who then compounded the error by getting put into touch.

Macca is plenty fast.......and to judge his pace on that is just silly.

He has gone pretty well since coming back into firsts.

 

[Callan Pk]

Logic doesnt belong here simon, only bagging.

 

[simon says]

Gee its getting a little old.

Im all for discussion,but the same old lines again and again.

 

[smeghead]

Its pretty much all you will find here I am afraid

 

[rupertpupkin]

Seriously mate....the bloke was hemmed in after a terrible pass from Collis......who then compounded the error by getting put into touch.

Hemmed in? McDonnell just... stopped. This stopped Collis. Regardless of the questionable timing of the pass from Collis, McDonnell was supposed to be the finisher. He finished the break by coming to a complete halt. That ended any real chance of either of them going any further. Collis made some poor choices, first of which was to pass early to Mac, expecting more pace than he had. Then going outside, though he was likely expecting some support, which didn't arrive. Mac seemed to write him off, and just hung back. The biggest blunder was McDonnell not taking the defence on. He just stopped, shuffled, and literally gave it to Collis, who was then flat footed against a newly formed defence line. McDonnell should have taken on the defence, engaged at least one defender, and either gotten the PTB, or offloaded to Collis on the move.

Harry and Lloyd stuff.

 

[cerberus]

i'd rather hear about mistakes like this S&R than the common morris bashing the turd rants on about.the thing that annoyed me most about that break was going into touch at the end of the break .to beat a good side like that you need 55% of the ball not 42%

 

[hybrid_tiger]

Its pretty much all you will find here I am afraid

There is much better discussion here than the official forum on most points.

It can get out of hand here sometimes, I'll admit.

 

[cerberus]

yeah i understand that, robust discussion is good .thats why i come here.keep talking football and this can be great place

 

[simon says]

Hemmed in? McDonnell just... stopped. This stopped Collis. Regardless of the questionable timing of the pass from Collis, McDonnell was supposed to be the finisher. He finished the break by coming to a complete halt. That ended any real chance of either of them going any further. Collis made some poor choices, first of which was to pass early to Mac, expecting more pace than he had. Then going outside, though he was likely expecting some support, which didn't arrive. Mac seemed to write him off, and just hung back. The biggest blunder was McDonnell not taking the defence on. He just stopped, shuffled, and literally gave it to Collis, who was then flat footed against a newly formed defence line. McDonnell should have taken on the defence, engaged at least one defender, and either gotten the PTB, or offloaded to Collis on the move.

Harry and Lloyd stuff.

I disagree completely with that.

I was at the game,and have watched the vid of it too,and to me its crystal clear that Collis got excited when Shannon loomed up and gave it too early.IMO Shannon did well to elude the Bronco players long enough to create half a chance again.

I still reckon that Shannon is VERY fast.....and if given the ball in the clear would not dissapoint.

 

[smeghead]

There is much better discussion here than the official forum on most points.

It can get out of hand here sometimes, I'll admit.

Both have their benefits and downfalls.

Sad thing is that you know pretty much word for word what you will read on both sites from the same people. On both sides of the fence in regards to criticism as well

 

[rupertpupkin]

I disagree completely with that.

I was at the game,and have watched the vid of it too,and to me its crystal clear that Collis got excited when Shannon loomed up and gave it too early.IMO Shannon did well to elude the Bronco players long enough to create half a chance again.

I still reckon that Shannon is VERY fast.....and if given the ball in the clear would not dissapoint.

He was given the ball in the clear. He stopped. What I suspect you are looking for is McDonnell getting the ball when there is no defence to worry about. That sort of "clear". Any back worth his salt, be it a record breaking sprinter or not, should be able to "not dissapoint", if there is no defence, bar the fullback, perhaps. Especially with a supporting centre. It wasn't much of a "half chance" that he "created". He came to a halt, bringing Collis with him, and went into touch-footy mode, midfield, with a flat-footed Collis. That's "miracle play" stuff.

Collis made some dumb moves. But he didn't pull up for fear of being tackled. McDonnell "eluded" the Broncos all right. He avoided them altogether.

But, that's just an opinion. You saw it differently. No problem.

 

[Callan Pk]

"In the clear." LOL

Have another look d'hed

OPSM for you pumpkin

Collis really shouldve drawn Boyd more and called Macca in behind him, away from Kemp...but hang on...Wallace was there, wasnt he?

Boyd, Kemp Wallace

Collis, McDonnell.

yes, 2 should always beat 3 every time

 

[simon says]

You saw it differently. No problem.

Yep....I definitely saw it different to you,and of course being a gent and all its no problems at all.