Which players have improved under Steve Kony?

[lingard]

Ken Sio
Cheyse Blair
you could put an arguement forward for Ben roberts
Joe Paulo
Mitch Allgood

your point being??

I reckon Matt Keating, Mitchell Allgood, Maitua? perhaps. Some individuals - but the team is going nowhere.

 

[Poupou Escobar]

This may be true however there should be VISIBLE improvements after 1.5 years.

I think there definitely is. We were pretty dominant everywhere but the scoreboard yesterday. A bit of luck and more experience playing together will turn most of those half breaks and almost tries into points.

I'm looking forward to facing the Sharks next weekend.

 

[Eels Dude]

2 steps forward, 3 steps back.

 

[parra pete]

There is some good people there with great work ethics.

At no point did I say near enough is good enough that's an inference you made from my comment of "I wouldn't necessarily say that"

There may be people there who lack imagination but to say that it goes from the Chairman down is ignorant Pete. You're a much smarter poster then to make generalizations like that.

I guarantee you there are people there working themselves to a stand still for this club who are as passionate about its success as any other fan.

No doubt there are good people with good work ethics and even better intentions. The 'changeover' of power a couple of years ago sacrificed stability on the Board, to newcomers who went about change like a 'bull in a china shop'.
It was a case of 'be careful what you pray for, you just might get it"..
The overthrow of Denis Fitzgerald, the demise of any of his appointments, and the removal of all of the past Board members, hasn't achieved the results the 'hype to change' was predicting. The usual spokespeople associated with the Club of the lack of results on the paddock have lost their voice. What has happened to 3P..????
The people who sacked Daniel Anderson and put on Stephen Kearney must be regretting that decision..
The team lacks imagination and flair..Devoid of any ideas in attack. A lot of the players in 1 to 17 are not up to NRL standard. In my opinion - McGuire, Morgan, Lasalo, Esi Tonga, Paulo would not get a run at any other NRL Club.
Horo and Shackleton must be in woeful form if they are not better than those blokes.
Just saying....

 

[Eelementary]

Really? How long should it take then? We are coming last and are going backwards and you can use all the useless cliches like 'rebuilding' Or 'overhauling' you want, but all your doing is sugar coating and accepting failure. It's not good enough and shouldn't be justified with empty excuses.

I've said it about 25 times, but both Ricky Stuart and Brian Smith believe it takes approximately three years to completely overhaul a club.

Honestly, it would be incredibly naive of you to think that it should take little time to:

* change a club's mentality;

* get rid of all the players a coach doesn't want and to sign and/or develop all the ones he does;

* get the team performing as a unit;

* developing and putting structures into place to allow youngsters to easily make the transition from Under 20's/Wenty to First Grade.

The fact you call these facts "sugar coating" and "accepting mediocrity" does nothing to discredit the men who claim it takes time to change a team - frankly, all it does is make you come across as irate and impatient, which I suppose is fair enough.

There is no magical, easy fix. Is Kearney the man for the job? I honestly don't know. I'm starting to doubt it. But:

1). It wasn't Kearney out there not chasing kicks and not kicking well in that second half (we dominated the Knights early on, but our kicking and chasing was park football stuff); and

2). There are evidently big issues at this club, and like it or not, they won't be fixed overnight - give the man time. He was given a three-year deal for a reason. Seems strange to offer a rookie a long deal such as that - unless there is more to it than meets the eye.

 

[tresurehunt]

2 steps forward, 3 steps back.

im glad your not our coach ....

 

[Springs]

I've said it about 25 times, but both Ricky Stuart and Brian Smith believe it takes approximately three years to completely overhaul a club.

Honestly, it would be incredibly naive of you to think that it should take little time to:

* change a club's mentality;

* get rid of all the players a coach doesn't want and to sign and/or develop all the ones he does;

* get the team performing as a unit;

* developing and putting structures into place to allow youngsters to easily make the transition from Under 20's/Wenty to First Grade.

The fact you call these facts "sugar coating" and "accepting mediocrity" does nothing to discredit the men who claim it takes time to change a team - frankly, all it does is make you come across as irate and impatient, which I suppose is fair enough.

There is no magical, easy fix. Is Kearney the man for the job? I honestly don't know. I'm starting to doubt it. But:

1). It wasn't Kearney out there not chasing kicks and not kicking well in that second half (we dominated the Knights early on, but our kicking and chasing was park football stuff); and

2). There are evidently big issues at this club, and like it or not, they won't be fixed overnight - give the man time. He was given a three-year deal for a reason. Seems strange to offer a rookie a long deal such as that - unless there is more to it than meets the eye.

I wouldn't trust Brian Smith's words on overhauling a club. At Newcastle after three years it was more like a club ruined than a club overhauled. Then he got the Roosters to the GF in his first year.

And I haven't seen a three year overhaul where in the first two years they have gone complete shithouse like the Eels have.

 

[Eels Dude]

im glad your not our coach ....

Me too. It'd be a sad state of affairs if the club were desperate enough to headhunt some random bloke off an internet forum to be head coach. But what's your point really? We've gone backwards since year, everyone can see that.

 

[Commodore]

We dont have a coach. We have an assistant coach, and Kearney will never be anything than that. He has no game plan, keeps a losing team excluding injuries,and in my opinion seems to lack the players respect. If he puts the team first Shackleton should play next week despite his comment last week.Something MUST change.

 

[DeanPay98]

I wouldn't trust Brian Smith's words on overhauling a club. At Newcastle after three years it was more like a club ruined than a club overhauled. Then he got the Roosters to the GF in his first year.

And I haven't seen a three year overhaul where in the first two years they have gone complete shithouse like the Eels have.

To be fair the Knights were playing some attractive football in 2008 and 2009. They were 9th in 2008 with a 12-12 record and 7th in 2009 with a 13-11 win-loss record and though they were 9th when Smith left they'd been in the top 8 for the bulk of the season.

If thats ruining a club then what Kearney has done to our club is Hiroshima.

 

[Springs]

Not by results. Many fans were angry with Smith's cutting of juniors and importing players. From what was once a club mostly consisting of juniors I think they were down to 3 in first grade at one time.

 

[tresurehunt]

But what's your point really? We've gone backwards since year, everyone can see that

were not the only team on 2 points, its early and i reckon we look better than last year. don't let your frustration cloud your judgement ...

 

[Poupou Escobar]

were not the only team on 2 points, its early and i reckon we look better than last year. don't let your frustration cloud your judgement ...

Well said.

 

[Eels Dude]

Not by results. Many fans were angry with Smith's cutting of juniors and importing players. From what was once a club mostly consisting of juniors I think they were down to 3 in first grade at one time.

And Smith had to do it too. Newcastle had a superstar team between the late 90's to mid 2000's. The juniors coming through to replace the soon to be retiring veterans were no where near the calibre of the Joey's, Buderas, Tahus, Gidleys (Matt), so they needed someone who could think outside the square and cut local players and import from elsewhere.

 

[strider]

Not by results. Many fans were angry with Smith's cutting of juniors and importing players. From what was once a club mostly consisting of juniors I think they were down to 3 in first grade at one time.

that was their entire intention in hiring brian smith - to change from a introverted club with jobs for the boys to something more successful with a mix

wayne bennett isn't exactly being exclusive with local juniors either - he's dragging his merry band of followers around with him :lol: .... but no one is bitching anymore cos they got out of the expectation of newcastle being exclusively locals

 

[strider]

were not the only team on 2 points, its early and i reckon we look better than last year. don't let your frustration cloud your judgement ...

just cos the tigers and titans are shithouse too, doesn't mean we should be happy

it's not even the fact we only have 2 points that's a problem, its the way we have played in most of our games - vs the cowboys and panthers we were absolutely abismal - we had one good game against manly (who had some key injuries and were struggling at the time), an OK game against the warriors (who are not the same team this year anyway), defended well against the broncs but had nothing else .... and you'd hope after a good showing against manly and all the "boys being pumped at training" we'd have a good attitude vs newcastle but we were far from that

its just f'n disappointing .... last year, yeah fine, we competed, but we have genuinely gone backwards at the start of this season - it'd be nice to have a good start for a f'n change

 

[Springs]

that was their entire intention in hiring brian smith - to change from a introverted club with jobs for the boys to something more successful with a mix

wayne bennett isn't exactly being exclusive with local juniors either - he's dragging his merry band of followers around with him :lol: .... but no one is bitching anymore cos they got out of the expectation of newcastle being exclusively locals

I don't think it worked at all really. Since then they have actually gone back to local juniors like Tahu and Buderus and Snowden.

Smith cut a bunch of fan favourites and imported a bunch of nobodies really. It led to Buderus leaving the club.

Since the Smith era they have been average anyway so I don't think he did a whole lot.

 

[IFR33K]

Morts and Jeff Robeson.......... Improved out of sight.

 

[Bigfella]

I don't think it worked at all really. Since then they have actually gone back to local juniors like Tahu and Buderus and Snowden.

Smith cut a bunch of fan favourites and imported a bunch of nobodies really. It led to Buderus leaving the club.

Since the Smith era they have been average anyway so I don't think he did a whole lot.

Getting off topic mate

If you want to post wild generalisations, half truths and inaccuracies, and vent emotionally about a coach at least stick to doing it with our current coach like the rest of them

 

[Maroubra Eel]

Bigfella you made more sense when you were drunk.