Which players will be swapped for Angus?

[southsport]

So the extension of Boyd Cordner at the roosters for a further 3 or 4 years is imminent.

That doesn't make sense though because I thought he was done, the roosters were desperate to get Angus in 2018 and the great player swap would occur?

I guess you could always stick it right to us and play Angus for every minute this season

There could be a swap with an unexpected twist.

Don't want Cordner.

 

[Souths Till I Die]

There could be a swap with an unexpected twist.

Don't want Cordner.

Is it the 3 way swap rumour you’re talking about?

 

[southsport]

Is it the 3 way swap rumour you’re talking about?

Yes it is.

What's your opinion of it?

 

[Rabbit toes]

Is it the 3 way swap rumour you’re talking about?

Wait..

What?

 

[Souths Till I Die]

Yes it is.

What's your opinion of it?

I don’t know how much legs it actually has but it’s kind of weird to think that the Storm would be willing to release Kaufusi early just to get a player like Napa. I’d love it if it happened because I think we should get rid of Angus ASAP.

 

[Souths Till I Die]

Wait..

What?

The roosters apparently offered us Napa for Crichton but we declined, however apparently Storm are keen on Napa and there’s a rumour going around that they’ll release Kaufusi to us if we release Crichton to the roosters a season early. So it’s like a 3 way swap. Don’t know how much legs it actually has.

 

[southsport]

I don’t know how much legs it actually has but it’s kind of weird to think that the Storm would be willing to release Kaufusi early just to get a player like Napa. I’d love it if it happened because I think we should get rid of Angus ASAP.

That's one way of looking at it, but why should Souths help the roosters get rid of Napa?

 

[Dogmatix]

I don't see how releasing Crichton is a good move for Souths

Latest market has him valued as a 900K player. Souths for 2018 would be paying him far less than that. That makes him a bargain on Souths' books for 2018

 

[Souths Till I Die]

That's one way of looking at it, but why should Souths help the roosters get rid of Napa?

I still think Napa’s a gun. I know he had a below average season but we’ve persisted with the Burgess boys who haven’t had a good season since 2015. I believe releasing Napa will be a massive loss for them. Gaining Crichton isn’t going to help them significantly. He runs a great line but he becomes a turnstile in defence after he’s on the field for a long time. If he’s playing inside Cronk then I genuinely worry for Cronk. Arey was left stranded by Crichton numerous times last year. He’s also just had a finger cutoff. There are so many factors that could lead to Crichton’s form taking a dip from the breakout season.

Kaufusi>Crichton all day.

 

[Valheru]

I haven't heard anything about us wanting Cordner.

We're chasing Felise Kaufusi

Not saying you guys want cordner.

The mail on here was that cordner's knee was done thus we were desperate for angus this year and souths were going to be in a position of power to get a player like Mitchell.

Clearly that isn't the case

 

[callmack1]

This three way swap thing is very interesting. Does anyone know where it's come from?

Tbh, I can't see it happening this close to the start of the season but we will see.

Right now I'd let Crichton go if we were getting Kaufusi as I'd much rather cheer for a fantastic player that I know wants to be at the club and isn't a traitor.

 

[Dogmatix]

Felise Kaufusi averaged 46 NRL fantasy points a game last season. Angus Crichton averaged 60 NRL fantasy points a game last season

Angus is clearly a class or two above Kaufusi and has improvement to come given his age. Souths swapping Crichton for Kaufusi is madness. It is not Crichton's fault that Souths were not prepared to match the other offers in the market to keep him at Souths

 

[DynamicRabbit1]

Felise Kaufusi averaged 46 NRL fantasy points a game last season. Angus Crichton averaged 60 NRL fantasy points a game last season

Angus is clearly a class or two above Kaufusi and has improvement to come given his age. Souths swapping Crichton for Kaufusi is madness. It is not Crichton's fault that Souths were not prepared to match the other offers in the market to keep him at Souths

How about actual stats not fantasy footy points

 

[Souths Till I Die]

How about actual stats not fantasy footy points

http://admin.nrl.com/stats/telstrapremiership/playercomparison/tabid/12694/default.aspx here is an actual comparison.

The only reason Crichton does so well at fantasy is because of his tackle breaks statistic. It's one of the highest in the competition. Kaufusi pretty much beats him in every other stat though plus he doesnt run sideways

 

[Dogmatix]

Crichton born 1996 vs Kaufusi born 1992 = 4 years more improvement in Crichton

Crichton 89.8% tackle efficiency vs Kaufusi 90.5% tackle efficiency so an edge to Kaufusi there

Crichton 121m per game vs Kaufusi 90m per game so big edge to Crichton there

Crichton was playing in a mostly losing team last season while Kaufusi was sailing along as part of a dominant team so Crichton had it tougher

 

[southsport]

I still think Napa’s a gun. I know he had a below average season but we’ve persisted with the Burgess boys who haven’t had a good season since 2015. I believe releasing Napa will be a massive loss for them. Gaining Crichton isn’t going to help them significantly. He runs a great line but he becomes a turnstile in defence after he’s on the field for a long time. If he’s playing inside Cronk then I genuinely worry for Cronk. Arey was left stranded by Crichton numerous times last year. He’s also just had a finger cutoff. There are so many factors that could lead to Crichton’s form taking a dip from the breakout season.

Kaufusi>Crichton all day.

Yes, I guess you've pretty much nailed it with that post, roosters may have payed massive overs for Crichton.

 

[DynamicRabbit1]

Crichton born 1996 vs Kaufusi born 1992 = 4 years more improvement in Crichton

Crichton 89.8% tackle efficiency vs Kaufusi 90.5% tackle efficiency so an edge to Kaufusi there

Crichton 121m per game vs Kaufusi 90m per game so big edge to Crichton there

Crichton was playing in a mostly losing team last season while Kaufusi was sailing along as part of a dominant team so Crichton had it tougher

Just because of the age difference doesn’t mean that every player will improve.

Fair point Kaufusi in a winning side but as far as his input and doing his role I’d say he is a suitable quality replacement if we can get the deal done (I’d say Storm are in a stronger position to retain him though)

Felise:

9 Tries
14 linebreaks
6 linebreak assists
23 offloads
898 tackles (90.5% efficiency)
2451 metres (90.8 avg)
77.5 minutes played
18 errors
10 penalties

Angus:


7 tries
10 linebreaks
1 linebreak assist
25 offloads
682 tackles (89.8 efficiency)
2665 metres (121.1 avg)
70.5 minutes avg
11 penalties
9 errors

 

[Rabbit toes]

So if there is legs to the rumours then why not try and get Gus to flip on the roosters?
Leaves the storm and roosters grasping at thin air.

 

[DynamicRabbit1]

So if there is legs to the rumours then why not try and get Gus to flip on the roosters?
Leaves the storm and roosters grasping at thin air.

He wants to go to Roosters.
We tried to get him to stay with a good deal and even Russell’s involvement.. he made his choice.. now we need to secure a quality replacement

 

[Souths Till I Die]

So if there is legs to the rumours then why not try and get Gus to flip on the roosters?
Leaves the storm and roosters grasping at thin air.

Crichton definitely wants to be a rooster. If you put it into perspective and take the emotions out of everything it makes sense that he would choose the roosters. They finished 2nd last year and have only improved their roster for the next 2 years. They offered more money than us. Fittler has closer connections to the Roosters than Souths, ultimately giving him a better opportunity to debut for NSW earlier. He took the easy choice and went with the glamour team. I’m sure everyone here would of loved it if he stayed at Souths, just like everyone at the Tigers would’ve loved it if Tedesco stayed at the tigers. They are both players with great potential and imo could of been much more if they stayed at their respective clubs. It’s easy to join a club going well. What’s hard is to stay at a club that’s struggling and help them rebuild.