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Which venue should host the 2017 ANZAC Test

Where should the 2017 ANZAC Test be played

  • Adelaide Oval

  • Eden Park, Auckland

  • ANZ Stadium, Sydney

  • Westpac Stadium, Wellington

  • Melbourne Cricket Ground

  • Townsville

  • Canberra


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Coastbloke

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Even though it's totally unsubstantiated - aka Wiki - it's stated the 2017 ANZAC Test will be at GIO Stadium..There's been no official announcement, so hope it's wrong tbh..
 

ParraEelsNRL

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Naaa ,still got feb and march with a couple of weeks in April to stuff around with yet. Plus they need to know which city the channel nine TV crews truck will be closest too leading up to that Friday night game.

Useless comes to mind, only had the test going for 20 odd years, clearly 20 years to work some things out like a schedule just isn't long enough.
 
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There's no chance the NRL is accidentally on purpose sabotaging the game to ensure it fails and then they can pat themselves on the back for scrapping it.

Even that exhibits more thought than they're capable of.
 

The Great Dane

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I honestly can't understand why people think this game would be or really should be played in NZ.

The NRL is paying for the game, even to the point of topping up the Kiwis Match payments, the NRL sourced the broadcaster, the NRL will be the ones that pay the rent for the stadium, basically they are taking all the risks.
So why taking all of that into consideration would they forfeit the majority of the reward!?

I can understand arguments about growing the game and all that, but the NRL and ARLC can't be expected to subsidise and support the NZRL forever.
Either make it official and let the ARLC buy/take control of the NZRL, or stop expecting the NRL and ARLC to come in and give the NZRL a helping hand every time they need it/want it and start expecting the NZRL to at least attempt to pull their own weight in the future.

This isn't a third world country we are talking about, it's NZ, they have ample opportunity and routes to funding, even if it is only small to start.
 

adamkungl

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There's no chance the NRL is accidentally on purpose sabotaging the game to ensure it fails and then they can pat themselves on the back for scrapping it.

Even that exhibits more thought than they're capable of.

Well, they engineered a completely botched report to prove to everyone that shoulder charges are super dangerous.
And years of experience under News in purposely devaluing the game's worth has to count for something.

Have faith!
 

adamkungl

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I honestly can't understand why people think this game would be or really should be played in NZ.

The NRL is paying for the game, even to the point of topping up the Kiwis Match payments, the NRL sourced the broadcaster, the NRL will be the ones that pay the rent for the stadium, basically they are taking all the risks.
So why taking all of that into consideration would they forfeit the majority of the reward!?

I can understand arguments about growing the game and all that, but the NRL and ARLC can't be expected to subsidise and support the NZRL forever.
Either make it official and let the ARLC buy/take control of the NZRL, or stop expecting the NRL and ARLC to come in and give the NZRL a helping hand every time they need it/want it and start expecting the NZRL to at least attempt to pull their own weight in the future.

This isn't a third world country we are talking about, it's NZ, they have ample opportunity and routes to funding, even if it is only small to start.

The NRL and 15 non-NZ clubs take all the talent out of NZ. So I don't think it would be particularly unreasonable to give something back here and there.

Basically, while the NRL drains NZ and the Pacific of all professional quality playing talent, AND uses its sheer weight to block out almost all opportunity for meaningful internationals, the NRL can and should be expected to support and grow the region. The 'ample opportunities' you've referenced without a single example simply do not exist.

And how exactly would the NRL lose the majority of the financial reward by playing the game in NZ?
 
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Yep. The NRL also gains from growing the popularity of the game in NZ. The Warriors sell more merchandise than anyone, the NRL gets a good wad from the NZ tv rights and it boosts the player pool, which is going to be even more important when the bush isn't producing any players. There should be a second club there.
 

adamkungl

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Yep. The NRL also gains from growing the popularity of the game in NZ. The Warriors sell more merchandise than anyone, the NRL gets a good wad from the NZ tv rights and it boosts the player pool, which is going to be even more important when the bush isn't producing any players. There should be a second club there.

The structure of the NRL competition is such that the NZRL gets literally nothing from any of the above, unless I'm mistaken. It's not like something like Super Rugby where the NZRU enters teams into a jointly run competition.

As such they should be funded similar to the state leagues (which themselves should be funded more).

Maybe I'm wrong about them getting nothing. I hope I am.
 

Coastbloke

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Unfortunately I think the venue won't be very big and the NRL will provide zero interest in promoting it in the hope it will go away..GIO fits that bill..

Interesting to note that this game, as badly treated as it is and despite zero promotion by TPTB, it constantly outrates the Bloodyslow cup which is supposed to be yawnion's SH showpiece..Regularly getting 1,000,000 viewers in the 5 Capital cities - not including Regionals and NZ. Imagine the possibility if the Test got the same promotion as Origin.. :confused:
 

The Great Dane

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The NRL and 15 non-NZ clubs take all the talent out of NZ. So I don't think it would be particularly unreasonable to give something back here and there.

You make it sound as if the NRL clubs swoop in and buy all the best rugby players in NZ after the local clubs have put all the work into them to make them NRL ready , and that's just not the case.
Apart from the cream of the crop that the Warriors pick up 90% of that talent would either be playing Super Rugby or second tier RU if it wasn't for the Australian clubs investing their Australian dollars into developing those players from teenagers.

I'd go so far as to say that the Kiwis would not be competitive with the Roos and England if it wasn't for Australian clubs developing most of their talent.

In other words we're doing them a service by developing that talent that they can't afford to develop themselves.

Basically, while the NRL drains NZ and the Pacific of all professional quality playing talent

Again if not to Australia where else is that talent going to go?

The Warriors can only take on so many, and the Pacific RL's and NZRL aren't in any position to develop much talent, and even if they were in a position to develop all that talent where would it go at the end of the line!?

Apart from the Warriors and the Hunters (who are mainly part time aren't they?) there're no professional RL teams in the South Pacific, so if the Aussie clubs didn't take them where would they go, straight to Japanese and French RU that's where.
So if the NRL clubs don't take them they are lost RL, so again we are doing them a service by making it possible for so many of their countrymen to make a living through RL, cause if we didn't do that then RL would be all but dead in all the South Pacific and NZ apart from maybe PNG.

AND uses its sheer weight to block out almost all opportunity for meaningful internationals

BS, nothing is stopping the Kiwis, Tongans, Fijians, whoever, from putting on a match or tournament if they so wish, I mean it'd be bloody stupid to schedule it during the NRL season because they simply cannot compete with that kind of money (yet), but if they wanted they could be trying to get a series up right now, but they aren't.

I fail to see how that is the NRLs' fault, apart from maybe the NRLs' success making it un-economically sound for many of the Pacific players to risk their careers playing an international doesn't pay enough to cover their costs ATM, but that's simply a matter of prestige and time, if the Pacific leagues played the games and made them viable money making products eventually they'd get past that.

the NRL can and should be expected to support and grow the region.

No ones saying that they shouldn't support the region, but the NRL cannot be expected to completely run and fund it either (nor can the NRL really afford to do it without it being at the expense of Australia ATM, which is the NRLs' actual jurisdiction), they have to at least try to stand on their own two feet.

The 'ample opportunities' you've referenced without a single example simply do not exist.

So there're no opportunities for sponsorship in NZ, no government grants for sporting organisations in NZ, no business opportunities, nobody willing to privately invest in the NZRL, bull shit , absolute bull shit.

I mean a f##king Canadian who was only introduced to the sport about a decade ago managed to first find the funding to reintroduce the sport into Canada and then find the funding to start a professional club in an English competition, but the Kiwis who have been playing the game for a hundred years can't find the money to hold a handful of events every couple of years or so!
It's not that there aren't any opportunities it's that nobody in NZ has been willing to put in the hard work to try and find them, they just expect the Aussies to come over a throw money at their problems until they go away, well why f##king should we do any more then we already do, I mean we literally sustain the professional aspects of the sport over there, and if we didn't RL would be unrecognisable in NZ.

And hell it's not like there aren't any groups in NZ willing to invest in RL, if there wasn't the Nines for example wouldn't exist.

And how exactly would the NRL lose the majority of the financial reward by playing the game in NZ?

Nobody said they would lose the majority of the financial reward by playing the game in NZ, however they would lose a fair chunk of potential revenue cause there's more money to be made in Australia then there is in NZ ATM.
 
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adamkungl

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What are these events and sponsorships they can get?

They can't play any worthwhile internationals without NRL players.
As you said, they'd be stupid to schedule them during the season (unless the NRL allows it).
Post-season the only ones likely to be profitable at this stage are England or Australia. And half the time Australia doesn't feel like playing, the rest of the time the game is played in Australia.

Who's going to sponsor an international team that never plays in their own country?

No ones saying that they shouldn't support the region, but the NRL cannot be expected to completely run and fund it either

No ones saying the NRL should completely run and fund it, the argument was about whether test matches should be played in NZ. Which you're against, while simultaneously saying they should just magically get better sponsorships.

What professional events can they put on that will be allowed by the NRL clubs or the RLPA? None. Once the Kangaroos play their post-season it's all over.
 

The Great Dane

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What are these events and sponsorships they can get?

Not sure what you mean by events, but I'm sure that there're plenty of corporate sponsors that would be willing to sponsor NZRL matches.
Sure they wouldn't get as much as the NRL does, but everybody has got to start somewhere.

They can't play any worthwhile internationals without NRL players.

Firstly, why.

Secondly, I see no reason why the NZ NRL players wouldn't play for the Kiwis in the off season as long as they were getting paid.
Besides when was the last time that a player refused to play for the Kiwis without good reason to do so?

As you said, they'd be stupid to schedule them during the season (unless the NRL allows it).

It's not the NRL that doesn't allow it, it's the clubs that is the problem, specifically the playing contracts that the players have with the clubs.
This is a problem that it faced by every representative team, even the Kangaroos.

Post-season the only ones likely to be profitable at this stage are England or Australia. And half the time Australia doesn't feel like playing, the rest of the time the game is played in Australia.

Bull sh!t, as long as they stayed sensible they could break even playing Samoa, Tonga, and maybe even Fiji, sure to start they wouldn't be grandiose events, but if they played their cards right they could grow those games into something big.

Who's going to sponsor an international team that never plays in their own country?

The only people to blame for them rarely playing in NZ is the NZRL, and I'm sure that if they started planning an event and went out looking to gain sponsorship for it that they could find it.
I'd start by calling Vodafone personally.

No ones saying the NRL should completely run and fund it, the argument was about whether test matches should be played in NZ. Which you're against, while simultaneously saying they should just magically get better sponsorships.

I'm not against games being played in NZ, nor have I ever said that I am!

What I said is that I am against games being played in NZ on the NRLs' dime and at the expense of promition of the game in Australia, because it is not the NRLs' job to promote the game in NZ, nor is Australian RL in any position to give away events like this that could do wonders for RL in certain parts of this country.

What professional events can they put on that will be allowed by the NRL clubs or the RLPA? None. Once the Kangaroos play their post-season it's all over.

As long as it's in the off season and the players agree to play there's absolutely nothing that the NRL or RLPA can do to stop the NZRL (or any other league) from holding matches.

The Clubs on the other hand can clandestinely try to prevent their players from participating, but that is a problem that everybody faces, and at the end of the day they really have no power to stop a player from playing if he really wants to go.
 

Coastbloke

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Who do you believe without an official announcement?
Ladbrokes betting website now says it is being held at Adelaide Oval in APRIL, not May..
Previously Wiki said GIO in Canberra.
The NRL is just treating this match - which outrates Bledisloe - with an absolute contempt..Disgraceful.. :grimacing:
 

The Great Dane

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Who do you believe without an official announcement?
Ladbrokes betting website now says it is being held at Adelaide Oval in APRIL, not May..
Previously Wiki said GIO in Canberra.
The NRL is just treating this match - which outrates Bledisloe - with an absolute contempt..Disgraceful.. :grimacing:

It's probably going to be at Bruce, that's the NRLs' MO, but I hope it's in Adelaide.
 

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