No they don't .
Gc & NQ folded.
& as you are well aware the RL teams in Ad & Perth were a casualty of a SL war compromise.
Are you trying to say there are no FNQ and GC teams in the NRL ?
Bottom line is the market is there as they are still going strong, unlike Adelaide and Perth which never recovered and that was my point.
I think people predicting soccer will dominate the country are deluding themselves frankly. Junior numbers mean nothing longer term - I and most off mates played it as little kids and none of us watch us now. Moreover, cricket just passed soccer as the most played sport in the country anyway and has more TV dollars to its name by a long shot. This is something a lot of people don't properly appreciate; soccer doesn't even compete with our main football codes, it competes with Cricket, and cricket is actually growing at a faster rate than soccer right now, with the big bash getting better ratings and attendances after a mere 3 years.
And therein lies the rub; is soccer the biggest sport in the world? Sure. But what is different about the countries where soccer is number 1? As a rule, in almost all cases it has no competition from other major pro sports that have been established longer and more widely than it. Australia has that and then some, so to assume a non contact sport that has more draws and frankly less action than any other form of football is going to take over simply because it's been successful in uncompetitive markets is simply delusional and irrational.
lol
he edited his post
To add to that. The logic of some fans is flawed .
They talk growth. Etc .
Which is fine ,it is growing
But do they think other sports are not growing ,at the same time .
Bizarre logic.
Yes & I was reading what I seen posted .
But that still doesn't change the fact that yes 2 RL teams folded as you said .
But 2 AL teams have also folded ,& more recently than the RL teams .
Teams can fold from bad management and other reasons, like I said the market is there so GC team is back again.
I dont see the A League growing much more if at all although they do talk about expansion.
Same with League, I dont think there is a big enough market in Adelaide and Perth and the travel costs and time difference are a big disadvantage for Perth. Also will the Storm survive without News Ltd.
Same for AFL, its been around 120 years and they talk about more expansion here and overseas, if it were gonna grow it would have grown by now.
We have limited cash and people to support sport here, I tend to think not much will grow, we may get the odd new team here and there but they could also end up going the same way as the Chargers, Seagulls etc.
Because Australians are stupid.
To answer OP:
Australia has always been a xenophobic place (note I am not talking about racism here but rather a reluctance to accept that which is foreign), and you need only spend a bit of time abroad to realise that we as a people embrace change very reluctantly (if at all).
The stereotypes comes from ignorance about, and a lack of exposure to, football. For example, those Australians who say the game is boring often seem to be the ones who are more than happy to sit through hours of enthralling test cricket: they are purists who derive as much pleasure from a maiden over as a massive six because they deeply understand that sport and its nuances. In the same token, football purists understand that a 0-0 does not necessarily mean a game is boring and lacking in attacking intent. That perception will change as the Australian sporting public becomes further exposed to, and thus educated about, football.
Why I agree with Lemon Squash that football will become the number one football code in this century:
Relative growth
Football is the only one of the 4 football codes to have rapidly grown in popularity in the last 10 years. The NRL averages roughly the same range (14-16k) as it did a decade ago; Union's crowds/popularity/revenue has regressed enormously from those heady days of the 2003 RWC; and the AFL average has dropped 20% from its all time high of around 2006. Yes, people will point to the fact that both RL and AFL's media deals have doubled in the last decade to well over $200m each annually, but football has gone from $0 to $40m annually in that same timeframe and is looking at doubling that in the next rights deal. It may be behind but it's charting a more rapid trajectory.
Globalisation (Migration and FDI)
New migrants to the country are coming from parts of the world where either football or cricket are the number one sport (Asia).
Australians are supposedly cultural xenophobes and this is evidenced because they don't fawn over soccer...
Really?
What other parts of overseas culture do Australians reject?
Food? The Arts? Movies and TV?
What other widely played overseas sports are rejected? The Olympics? Golf? Tennis?
Also, Australians are some of the most widely traveled people you will find anywhere, so I don't see how that. goes hand in hand with cultural xenophobia...
No, on the contrary, the fact that Australia has four forms of professional football makes them more globally inclusive then most...
To answer OP:
Conversely, there is no discernible difference in the style of play between Aust/NZ RL and English RL that can be put down to culture, and it is laughable to think as such. The SL is only faster in play because they don't wrestle and there's just one referee; nothing to do with culture. In the past in Union, you could say that there was a split in style (e.g. UK "10 man rugby" vs Aust/NZ "running rugby") between the hemispheres owing to culture but now they have converged to result in a terribly conservative game, probably due to its professional status.
@Strong Latte
- We do not have an "indigenous sports culture"; all our main sports were imported from the UK in the case of cricket and RL/RU, or Ireland in the case of Aussie Rules.
- Your depiction of football as being like McDonald's with minimal/token cultural variation is highly ignorant. In fact the sport acts as a medium through which different national cultures are strongly expressed. To give you some brief examples of this:
@Strong Latte
-> The genesis of Total Football in the 1970s came from a nation (the Netherlands) that was going through an intellectual revolution which saw a rejection of norms and constraints imposed by the mainstream.
-> Even diving is a representation of national culture. It was started, and is today most prevalent in, cultures where hoodwinking officialdom/authority is revered.
(There are far more examples of how football acts as a conduit for national [and regional] cultural expression. Countless books have been written on this subject.)
- Conversely, there is no discernible difference in the style of play between Aust/NZ RL and English RL that can be put down to culture, and it is laughable to think as such. The SL is only faster in play because they don't wrestle and there's just one referee; nothing to do with culture. In the past in Union, you could say that there was a split in style (e.g. UK "10 man rugby" vs Aust/NZ "running rugby") between the hemispheres owing to culture but now they have converged to result in a terribly conservative game, probably due to its professional status.
People who think Australia's lack of interest in soccer is symptomatic of "xenophobia" are resentful soccer bigots who hate mainstream Australian culture or simpletons who don't understand the meaning of the word.
I lived in Japan for several years and speak the language, and the Japanese follow soccer (and they call it "soccer" and not "football" for the record) after baseball, and so by the arguments put forward by some of the soccer bigots here you'd think Japan was a more inclusive and open society than Australia. After all, the Japanese like soccer, so they must be worldly and international, right? Not exactly...
I love the place and the people, but when you get past their welcoming demeanour there is a very powerful streak of xenophobia that is deep and even institutional. In fact I'd say you'd be hard pressed to find a more xenophobic country in the democratic world than Japan... the country effectively has a policy akin to the racial purity policies of Australia's past and marginalises foreigners' legal rights, making all sorts things much harder to do when compared to natural Japanese - and this goes for "foreigners" in the class of Koreans are already several generations removed.
I bring them up because I've had a long association with Japan, but there are plenty of soccer nations around the world that could hardly be more xenophobic if they tried - just look at the utter scum that is the Saudi Kingdom. Anyone who thinks them being a "soccer nation" makes them some how more open and tolerant than a country like Australia is - as I said before - a soccer bigot with no real understanding of the world.
Also, as a Union fan I just thought I'd touch on this reply to Strong_latte:
You know dick all about League and Union is all I can say...
There has been no convergence of styles in Union first up - the English still play a dull 10 man game, and Australia tries to run it every chance they get, but don't have the grunt up front to win enough games by getting the strike players in the right positions anymore. There has been a shift however, but it's simply been one of the total rugby of the All Blacks, against the grinding style of most of the north and the overly backs-focussed tactics of teams like Australia.
On the league front, Australia have dominated England for 50 years because England don't produce creative halves with the regularity that Australia does, and thus focus almost entirely on plodding the ball up. That is a result of the difference in both the climate and the cultures of the respective countries. The dreary English weather and pent-up social values aren't conducive to open play, while the flat tracks in Australia and more open and easy going attitude give far more freedom to move and creativity to halves, which is why our players try so many more tricks.
If you can argue that diving is culture, then so is Australia's greater focus on creativity. Tell me the last time you saw an England team produce tries like the Kangaroos put on in the World Cup final last year against credible opposition. They don't. England are plodding in League, Union and soccer, and countries like Australia and NZ are expansive and creative. That's just as much an expression of culture and more as something as geniused as diving.
So just to answer Sam's direct points to me:
In what sense is our sports culture not "indigenous"? Was RU/RL imported from the UK? Sure. Was Australian Football influenced by the Irish? Sure. But in all three cases, and in particular with the Australian Football, Australians have been key in how the very rules and fundamental structure of the game has evolved.
I almost don't even want bother with the point on Australian Football, because the history of the game is well documented and the sport is known to have had Aborigianal influences as well as Irish immigrant ones, but if you think a sport with Aboriginal, Australian settler and Irish immigrant influences isn't a product of the Australian experiment, then you're being ridiculous (particularly given you then go on to argue that f**king diving is a cultural expression).
As for Rugby League, the sport may have originated in the UK, but it started out as an offshoot of Union and while the early changes were instigated up north, the majority of the modern era changes to the game have come from Australia. Those changes have fundamentally altered the nature of the game, and given it an increasingly Australian flavour, and that is quite different to a simple difference in style of play, and makes the game a genuinely Australian sport in a way that soccer can't be intrinsically German" for Germany (for instance) no matter how obsessed they get with it.
To take a linguistic analogy, Rugby League has become an Australian dialect of Rugby in effect - the base structure is there, but the language itself is actually quite different to where it began. Think of it as Portuguese is to Spanish; related but the differences are real and born out of a genuine and lengthy isolation and partial reinvention of the language.
By comparison, soccer in Italy is more like an accent of the English language; it has its own superficial characteristics that make it stand out, but there's nothing other than a few slang words and idioms that a speaker from another part of the Anglosphere wouldn't understand because it's grammatical architecture is almost entirely the same.
You could make similar points with Rugby Union, but not to the same degree as with League. All the same, Australia was a key pusher in the adopting the ELVs, rules that do alter the structure, and pace of the game.
The key point here is that in all cases to varying degrees Australians have altered the fundamental DNA of the other three codes of Football, and that is something you simply cannot say with soccer with any country other than England.
For all these I'll defer to RoosTah, as he's adequately debunked your failure to appreciate the tactical differences in Rugby League and Union. In particular, I'd argue that the concept of "Total Rugby" is just as valid a cultural expression of that sport as "total soccer" is for soccer and I don't get how you can just wash over that.