Why didn't the AFL experience a super league war?

[Perth Red]

Murdoch wanted to make money out of RL. He was also prepared to risk harming RL. AFL have never been subject to this toxic combination which prevails across a mainstream media whose executives disproportionately went to schools, and who send their children to schools, in which RL is actively shunned.
The presence in establishment circles of so many whose education and background makes them at best indifferent and at worst downright hostile to RL has always been the biggest millstone round our neck.
It will almost certainly play a part in the respective TV deals too. Negotiators possessing a personal and cultural affection for AFL or RU are willing to overpay. Extra funds invested in their preferred sports can be written off in the manner of a charitable donation. In contrast, the value of NRL broadcast rights is governed purely by expedience.

I’d suggest going to an open competitive tender process as opposed to gifting it to your mates probably had more to do with the tv deals this time around.

 

[Wb1234]

Murdoch wanted to make money out of RL. He was also prepared to risk harming RL. AFL have never been subject to this toxic combination which prevails across a mainstream media whose executives disproportionately went to schools, and who send their children to schools, in which RL is actively shunned.
The presence in establishment circles of so many whose education and background makes them at best indifferent and at worst downright hostile to RL has always been the biggest millstone round our neck.
It will almost certainly play a part in the respective TV deals too. Negotiators possessing a personal and cultural affection for AFL or RU are willing to overpay. Extra funds invested in their preferred sports can be written off in the manner of a charitable donation. In contrast, the value of NRL broadcast rights is governed purely by expedience.

You should write fiction

oh you already did

 

[Ride the Lion to Zion]

This is LU.

Your gonna have to stop with the big words.

Big words and big money go hand in hand.

Inarticulate hustlers get short-changed.

Rugba League needs more big words.

 

[Dark Corner]

Why? Your just going to alienate fans of other clubs in that scenario from following the main club in the city, as we may well see for the dolphins if there is much of a following for other qrl cup teams.

100k members and 2decades of sold out games and memberships would suggest the new club all city model has worked well in perth for afl and for broncos in Brisbane And Storm in melbourne who are the best supported RL clubs in the country.

Well they did alienate lots of fans and tradition from the BRL as look how good the Lang Park Grand Final were and some of the current Sydney teams shouldn't be in the current NRL judging by yo yo crowds.

 

[Get Rid of The Donkeys]

Why? Your just going to alienate fans of other clubs in that scenario from following the main club in the city, as we may well see for the dolphins if there is much of a following for other qrl cup teams.

100k members and 2decades of sold out games and memberships would suggest the new club all city model has worked well in perth for afl and for broncos in Brisbane And Storm in melbourne who are the best supported RL clubs in the country.

Broncos are definitely the biggest RL club in the world.

 

[Captain Apollo]

You should write fiction

oh you already did

So you are saying Murdoch and News Ltd didn't want to make money out of rugby league?

 

[Wb1234]

So you are saying Murdoch and News Ltd didn't want to make money out of rugby league?

No it’s the bit after the first sentence that i was responding too

 

[mongoose]

No it’s the bit after the first sentence that i was responding too

the News ltd defender re-appears lol

 

[Wb1234]

the News ltd defender re-appears lol

Sure buddy

arko and Quayle were my heroes

Quayle should be on the commission today

if clubs like yours had stayed loyal the game wouldn’t have lost 20 years to rival codes

but here we are

I wish the arl had actually not agreed to that stupid peace deal and just let all the super league clubs die off and then start up new ones in their place

 

[Ride the Lion to Zion]

I’d suggest going to an open competitive tender process as opposed to gifting it to your mates probably had more to do with the tv deals this time around.

Not convinced by that.

NRL, AFL and CA have all re-signed with existing broadcast partners. There was an air of inevitability through each process. Which indicates the media landscape does not currently facilitate leaps into the unknown for major sports in Straya.

There`s good reason to suspect sham brinkmanship. Especially from the AFL. Both sides at the negotiating table could safely bargain that toying with alternatives to the status quo was a perfunctory exercise. Intended for public consumption only.

 

[Ride the Lion to Zion]

You should write fiction

oh you already did

I hadn`t worked out how to space the paragraphs. Perhaps that bamboozled you.

BTW, judging from your comments on this forum your unpublished novella based on the NRL and AFL broadcast rights negotiations is likely to be more Lewis Carroll than Thomas Keneally. Probably wise to delay publication. Sentimental readers expect happy endings.

 

[Wb1234]

I hadn`t worked out how to space the paragraphs. Perhaps that bamboozled you.

BTW, judging from your comments on this forum your unpublished novella based on the NRL and AFL broadcast rights negotiations is likely to be more Lewis Carroll than Thomas Keneally. Probably wise to delay publication. Sentimental readers expect happy endings.

Sorry if I thought you were a fumbler

it’s just that’s how your post came out

rupert wouldn’t want bad things to happen to afl so he chose league instead

oh and to make a paragraph just look for the return key and hit it

 

[Ride the Lion to Zion]

Sorry if I thought you were a fumbler

Not many Fumblers here in the wintry North West of England. We`d freeze to death in tank tops.

Although if the AFL are paying, with my flair for fiction I could easily knock off something implausible for them. You wouldn`t believe our figures for Pomkick juniors.

rupert wouldn’t want bad things to happen to afl so he chose league instead

That was precisely my point.

It`s business and there`s a bottom line, but we shouldn`t underestimate the influence of individual predilections. Nor of the group-think comprised of the sum of all those personal preferences.

 

[Wb1234]

Not many Fumblers here in the wintry North West of England. We`d freeze to death in tank tops.

Although if the AFL are paying, with my flair for fiction I could easily knock off something implausible for them. You wouldn`t believe our figures for Pomkick juniors.


That was precisely my point.

It`s business and there`s a bottom line, but we shouldn`t underestimate the influence of individual predilections. Nor of the group-think comprised of the sum of all those personal preferences.

Fair enough

Murdoch went for league because the Brisbane broncos told him how much money he would make that’s true

but the time he chased league it was the number one sport. And despite him spending over 500 million on super league he’s come out way in front with how much foxtel is worth

 

[Iamback]

Not convinced by that.

NRL, AFL and CA have all re-signed with existing broadcast partners. There was an air of inevitability through each process. Which indicates the media landscape does not currently facilitate leaps into the unknown for major sports in Straya.

There`s good reason to suspect sham brinkmanship. Especially from the AFL. Both sides at the negotiating table could safely bargain that toying with alternatives to the status quo was a perfunctory exercise. Intended for public consumption only.

We aren't set up to have multiple Sport providers with our small population and big land mass.

The 3 major sports know this

 

[Ride the Lion to Zion]

We aren't set up to have multiple Sport providers with our small population and big land mass.

The 3 major sports know this

Seven and Fox also know this. So why did they agree a new AFL broadcast deal that, to any objective observer, appears gratuitously high? When someone pays more for something which they could get for less, there has to be an ulterior motive.

If any members of this forum owned or had a major role at Nine or Fox would our affinity to RL be of no consequence? Would we forego opportunities to enhance our favourite sport and equip it with the means to grow?

AFL have nowhere to go outside Oz. NSW and QLD are their only feasible options for meaningful expansion. Anything to the detriment of RL is potentially an opening for AFL. Which partially explains Murdoch`s each-way gambit in the 90s.

When Rupert decides which political party ought to win an election all his journalists get the memo. He couldn`t have made it any clearer which football code he wanted to prevail in Australia. Everyone working for him, including those negotiating TV deals at Fox, will have got the message.

The NRL are yoked to a Pay TV partner who want their principal rival to succeed.

 

[Pneuma]

Seven and Fox also know this. So why did they agree a new AFL broadcast deal that, to any objective observer, appears gratuitously high? When someone pays more for something which they could get for less, there has to be an ulterior motive.

If any members of this forum owned or had a major role at Nine or Fox would our affinity to RL be of no consequence? Would we forego opportunities to enhance our favourite sport and equip it with the means to grow?

AFL have nowhere to go outside Oz. NSW and QLD are their only feasible options for meaningful expansion. Anything to the detriment of RL is potentially an opening for AFL. Which partially explains Murdoch`s each-way gambit in the 90s.

When Rupert decides which political party ought to win an election all his journalists get the memo. He couldn`t have made it any clearer which football code he wanted to prevail in Australia. Everyone working for him, including those negotiating TV deals at Fox, will have got the message.

The NRL are yoked to a Pay TV partner who want their principal rival to succeed.

I tend to agree with your assessment. It’s discomforting but makes some sense.

 

[Iamback]

Seven and Fox also know this. So why did they agree a new AFL broadcast deal that, to any objective observer, appears gratuitously high? When someone pays more for something which they could get for less, there has to be an ulterior motive.

If any members of this forum owned or had a major role at Nine or Fox would our affinity to RL be of no consequence? Would we forego opportunities to enhance our favourite sport and equip it with the means to grow?

AFL have nowhere to go outside Oz. NSW and QLD are their only feasible options for meaningful expansion. Anything to the detriment of RL is potentially an opening for AFL. Which partially explains Murdoch`s each-way gambit in the 90s.

When Rupert decides which political party ought to win an election all his journalists get the memo. He couldn`t have made it any clearer which football code he wanted to prevail in Australia. Everyone working for him, including those negotiatingo TV deals at Fox, will have got the message.

The NRL are yoked to a Pay TV partner who want their principal rival to succeed.

Appears high is correct, Still more details to come out.
Remembering that the $643m includes $50m from Telstra. On top of that upgrades to Marvel Stadium. So while it appears high, It might turn out to be market value

 

[Perth Red]

Not convinced by that.

NRL, AFL and CA have all re-signed with existing broadcast partners. There was an air of inevitability through each process. Which indicates the media landscape does not currently facilitate leaps into the unknown for major sports in Straya.

There`s good reason to suspect sham brinkmanship. Especially from the AFL. Both sides at the negotiating table could safely bargain that toying with alternatives to the status quo was a perfunctory exercise. Intended for public consumption only.

Afl had three serious bids all fighting each other for the rights. No way they get $575mill from tv a year for 7 years if they just offered it to the incumbents like pistol Pete did.

 

[Wb1234]

Seven and Fox also know this. So why did they agree a new AFL broadcast deal that, to any objective observer, appears gratuitously high? When someone pays more for something which they could get for less, there has to be an ulterior motive.

If any members of this forum owned or had a major role at Nine or Fox would our affinity to RL be of no consequence? Would we forego opportunities to enhance our favourite sport and equip it with the means to grow?

AFL have nowhere to go outside Oz. NSW and QLD are their only feasible options for meaningful expansion. Anything to the detriment of RL is potentially an opening for AFL. Which partially explains Murdoch`s each-way gambit in the 90s.

When Rupert decides which political party ought to win an election all his journalists get the memo. He couldn`t have made it any clearer which football code he wanted to prevail in Australia. Everyone working for him, including those negotiating TV deals at Fox, will have got the message.

The NRL are yoked to a Pay TV partner who want their principal rival to succeed.

Nah fox know which sport is number one for them

part of this is history due to the super league war and afl taking the mantle of number one sport whilst league regrouped

plus they expanded aggressively whilst rugby league basically stood still

so their current tv deals are a reflection of this

and the last tv rights bidding for afl was initially poor

they had to add extra content to get more money ie a magic round copying rugby league and also team 19 being tasmania

they also hid their real deal behind a load of Telstra contra

foxtel league ratings are on another level

eventually the nrl will get rewarded for this by fox or stan or paramount potentially