Why is perth bid so secretive?!

[Pippen94]

keep telling yourself that. State govt has just pretended to spend $1/2mill on a bid case I suppose?

Maybe Vlandys was imagining things when he said this?

"Perth has to be high on the table now, especially with a premier so passionate about wanting to have a team there. They warrant serious consideration," V'landys told the publication.
“If you've got a government that's going to get 100 per cent behind you, you've got a run-up start. We had a really good conversation and we'll be chatting again. The fact he rang in his first week in the job shows how keen they are.”

Perth premier in talks over expansion, every option for NRL's next team analysed

With possible rapid expansion incoming, who will make the cut?

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Business case is not a group. Where's investors, backers, logo, kit, strategy, anything..?!

 

[Perth Red]

Business case is not a group. Where's investors, backers, logo, kit, strategy, anything..?!

haha, you dont need any of that in the media to win a license, you need strong business case and investors, clearly we are building or have got both. We have been there very publicly with a bid, rugged pulled out due to NRL change of mind, lots of egg on faces.

This time we've clearly decided to do our work behind closed doors until the NRl decides what it wants to do. What we can say for 100% sure is the WA govt is backing it and already investing in it and that there is a consortium working on a bid if the opportunity arises to present it. And the Commission know this.

Imagine if we'd gone through the Reds/Pirates public bid launch again for club18 then the NRL U turns for PNg due to Albos money, we're back to looking very stupid again and pssing off fans here. Im much happier they are quietly getting ducks in line for if and when the opportunity arises. The commission will know whats happening here and thats all that matters.

NRL may well bring in PNG as 18 and not have plans for 19 and 20 for another decade or two, no point in building everyones hopes up again if thats the case.

 

[Pippen94]

haha, you dont need any of that in the media to win a license, you need strong business case and investors, clearly we are building or have got both. We have been there very publicly with a bid, rugged pulled out due to NRL change of mind, lots of egg on faces.

This time we've clearly decided to do our work behind closed doors until the NRl decides what it wants to do. What we can say for 100% sure is the WA govt is backing it and already investing in it and that there is a consortium working on a bid if the opportunity arises to present it. And the Commission know this.

Imagine if we'd gone through the Reds/Pirates public bid launch again for club18 then the NRL U turns for PNg due to Albos money, we're back to looking very stupid again and pssing off fans here. Im much happier they are quietly getting ducks in line for if and when the opportunity arises. The commission will know whats happening here and thats all that matters.

NRL may well bring in PNG as 18 and not have plans for 19 and 20 for another decade or two, no point in building everyones hopes up again if thats the case.

Just an idea & a case study. Sure, if bidding is like an episode of shark tank.

There are no investors coz we'd hear about them. Media does promotion for u; just like dolphins who got their story out early & got fans like me onside even tho I'm interstate.

If ur afraid of being outshined by a better bid or revealing details which may expose something negative, then ur a poor bid to begin with..

 

[Perth Red]

Just an idea & a case study. Sure, if bidding is like an episode of shark tank.

There are no investors coz we'd hear about them. Media does promotion for u; just like dolphins who got their story out early & got fans like me onside even tho I'm interstate.

If ur afraid of being outshined by a better bid or revealing details which may expose something negative, then ur a poor bid to begin with..

If the commission is deciding on new markets by the number of media column inches then the games in real trouble! Besides bears would have been in a long time ago if that was the case lol

Just keep ignoring what I am saying. If you want to believe there is no bid development, no business case development, no consortium despite what the WA premier, the NRLWA GM and the NRL chairman have said thats up to you. I cant give you anymore evidence than that.

 

[Pippen94]

If the commission is deciding on new markets by the number of media column inches then the games in real trouble! Besides bears would have been in a long time ago if that was the case lol

Just keep ignoring what I am saying. If you want to believe there is no bid development, no business case development, no consortium despite what the WA premier, the NRLWA GM and the NRL chairman have said thats up to you. I cant give you anymore evidence than that.

Strawman. Media & public support are huge factors. Dolphins were the most well received by both last go around.

Everyone is saying that they're looking to create a group, hussle..I mean rustle investors & get something going. Nobody has said something exists. Currently there is no confirmation that bid exists.

 

[Get Rid of The Donkeys]

Taking the game to new markets and generating new fanbases. If you go to already rusted on areas you are simply consolidating an existing market for your product.

How many fans can a Perth-based NRL team generate?

I doubt the amount of Western Australians who watch games not involving a Perth-based team will increase by more than a few thousands. It may not increase at all. The only example we've got is the Storm. Games not featuring the Storm generate 8k on 9Gem in Melbourne. When Storm play they get 30k.

Of the new markets out there Perth offers the most opportunity in Australia with the least risk, if the business case and WA govt backing is there.

That is true and why Perth is the only Australian city in fumbleball country that should be considered for expansion.

A strong business case and Gov support will give the bid a good chance of winning a licence.

The biggest challenge for Perth wont be fans or corporates it will be in attracting talent and building a consistently competitive team. If I was NRL that would be a key thing Id want to see the strategy for from any business case.

That's my main concern. It will be much harder for Perth because they will be entering a competition that has 17 stable clubs. Storm entered at the right time as half the clubs were unstable and there was a lot of talent available from the loss of the Crushers, Reds and Mariners. I do worry about how many fans will stick around if the team struggles on the field.

PNG and NZ2 both offer exciting opportunities but come with some very significant challenges. Not to mention, seeing as you brought it up, do you think Australian TV, which pays 94% of the tv deal will value two overseas clubs that add nothing to their advertising or subscription base? Perth might not add much but it adds more than either of those 2 to Australian tv.

None of them offer much to the Australian broadcasters. NZ2 do provide the ability to hold more 6pm Fri AEST games in NZ.

PNG long term viability and just practibility is very questionable, and lets be honest if the Albo offer wasnt so big then the NRl wouldnt even consider it. That should tell us something about its long term issues

Without Gov funding it has no chance.

NZ2 (Christchurch) has great new player potential but its a small city rusted on rugby union. And the biggest issue at the moment is it has no significant bid backing. Whilst the local league is trying to make something happen is admirable asking on facebook for backers, or talking about chain funding, doesnt engender confidence does it?

It definitely has hurdles to overcome.

Perth offers -
perfect 12 games in a 6pm AEST sunday spot (whilst any club can host it only perth will actually benefit from it, making it attractive to the other clubs not to play in it if they can help it, plus a day game for TV which most agree tends to lead to better quality games)
Strongest Australian player development, despite the neglect, outside of the game's heartlands, and a history of bigger participation
A metro market of 2.2million people and growing
A supportive Govt (whatever that looks like)
Millionaire backers (whatever that looks like)
A strong foundational (cashed up) fanbase from day1

so there's the case for.

That would make them good for Foxtel.

 

[Get Rid of The Donkeys]

Never said it wasnt. Id sit it in the middle,
better than Kogorah, Penrith, Win, LO, Campbelltown, Canberra, Kayo, Brookvale, shark park,
possibly mount smart (havent been so cant say)
and personally I prefer watching club games there than at Accor.
Not quite as good as Newcastle
Nowhere near as good as suncorp, allianz, AAMi, Commbank, NQ, GC

so in ranking sits somewhere around 8/9th of 18 regular use NRL stadiums

Perth's premier rectangular stadium should be better than PRS. WA is loaded with money having such a poor rectangular stadiumakes it look like an insular fumbleball state.

 

[Get Rid of The Donkeys]

yes I have, they've been posted numerous times lol. But as expasnion should be about many things that is only one consideration. Given FTA paid nothing for 5he last SEQ club and PTV is questionable how much cash they actually paid I wouldnt think its that big of a factor. The real value is in content and the ninth and tenth game, less so in location.

Didn't you say the poor deal was due to V'landys not taking the rights to tender?

Ch9 aren't going to pay more if they lose four Broncos games and are handled the rights on a silver platter without competition.

 

[Get Rid of The Donkeys]

Prove what? Neither of us can prove they do or they dont, but Im not making a statement that they def do where as you are making the statement they def dont! Simple fact is we dont know. So stop saying they dont because you dont know that.

If all 12 Perth home games are played at 6pm Sun AEST then they're worth nothing to Ch9.

 

[Get Rid of The Donkeys]

Perth does, NZ2 doesnt, Bears will go wherever they are pointed at. NZ2 is where some work needs to be done and hopefully some backers come forward

Bears have "non-negotiables" that the NRL and other cities won't accept.

Perth's potential bid might be shithouse.

NZ needs money.

 

[Canard]

This is bordering on manic now.

5 straight posts on the last 20mins

 

[mongoose]

This is bordering on manic now.

5 straight posts on the last 20mins

Gotta win that internet argument!

 

[Wb1234]

 

[Wb1234]

Gotta win that internet argument!

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[Pippen94]

Brisbane Roar were filling Suncorp when ang was coach too. David Gallop killed the sport..

 

[Get Rid of The Donkeys]

Western Australians love a winner -- regardless of the sport they play -- but will abandon them once they start losing. The only exception to this rule is the fumbleball teams because the game is a religion to them.

My main fear with a Perth-based NRL team is it has no chance of replicating the Storm's onfield success. Therefore, it will never capture the same level of support that the Glory had when they were winning. Wildcats and Scorchers have been very successful teams for years.

A Perth-based NRL team that fares like the Titans will cause more harm than good for rugby league. It's fair to point this out after the high expectations and doom and gloom scenario that was cast on Brisbane 2 by the usual suspects. It's hypocritical for them to expect Brisbane 2 to be a carbon copy of the Broncos and label them a failure for being slightly behind the world's largest and most powerful rugby league club, then say it's okay for a Perth-based team to struggle like the Force.

 

[Perth Red]

Loving a winner isnt unique to perth lol. Penrith have gone from a 10k crowd avg to a 19k crowd avg, due solely to winning.
Glory's troubles go a lot deeper than onfield performance. Sage became despised by the soccer community here, which is huge, and the A league itself lost a lot of its luster in recent years compared to the old comp.

Again you have to look at Perth crowd performances in line with the rest of that sport. Aleague crowds have tanked across the board, Super rugby crowds have tanked across the board. NRL isnt in that situation and no reason to believe we would see the extremes we've seen at those other sports clubs. Dockers have maintained a very good crowd avg despite being total pants for more years than not.

I expect conservatively a perth NRL club to start off with an avg 14k-16k, with a successful club adding a couple of thousand on top of that. A terrible club will be 10-14k.

So pretty much in line with 75% of the NRL comp.

 

[Wb1234]

Western Australians love a winner -- regardless of the sport they play -- but will abandon them once they start losing. The only exception to this rule is the fumbleball teams because the game is a religion to them.

My main fear with a Perth-based NRL team is it has no chance of replicating the Storm's onfield success. Therefore, it will never capture the same level of support that the Glory had when they were winning. Wildcats and Scorchers have been very successful teams for years.

A Perth-based NRL team that fares like the Titans will cause more harm than good for rugby league. It's fair to point this out after the high expectations and doom and gloom scenario that was cast on Brisbane 2 by the usual suspects. It's hypocritical for them to expect Brisbane 2 to be a carbon copy of the Broncos and label them a failure for being slightly behind the world's largest and most powerful rugby league club, then say it's okay for a Perth-based team to struggle like the Force.

Yep afl is the exception.
if the Perth reds had never died things would be different but 30 years on afl took over big time

 

[Perth Red]

Yep afl is the exception.
if the Perth reds had never died things would be different but 30 years on afl took over big time

Dockers are the newcastle knights equivalent lol

If we start at 14-16k crowds that keeps us viable and gives us a good base to build on. If by chance we are successful in first few years I can see the sold out signs up at HBF regularly. There is easily 20k active RL fans here in WA.
Got to get in first though!

 

[Wb1234]

Dockers are the newcastle knights equivalent lol

If we start at 14-16k crowds that keeps us viable and gives us a good base to build on. If by chance we are successful in first few years I can see the sold out signs up at HBF regularly. There is easily 20k active RL fans here in WA.
Got to get in first though!

That’s where I think their crowds will land

trolling aside their finances will be good