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Willie Mason: Players Should Strike for More Money - "Without us, there is no game"

CharlieF

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If News LTD is making a profit, then they should revisit this and increase the percentage given to NRL clubs.

Their Monopoly on TV rights makes it difficult to work out how much money can really be generated if the rights were sold to the highest bidder.

They simply underpay for TV rights, gather all the profits from televising these games and blend in the profits with all other PayTV revenue. Nobody knows how much RL make for them, excepts themselves.

They own the sport, they own the TV channels, they own the profits.
Big Willie might be right here, as long as the extra salary cap money is coming from PayTV and TV rights revenues. No club should be put into any financial difficulties at the expense of higher profits for News LTD.
 

scottyeel

Bench
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Strike during origin time. Willie is a tosser of the highest order, it absolutely astounds me that this idiot can get dumber and dumber every year.
 

JoeD

First Grade
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I agree with Legend although a strike could be very damaging to the game.
 

ToiletDuck

Juniors
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Oh yeah, and he obviously doesnt give a sh*t about the grassroots. In the bush, the game has never been in worse shape.
 

Twizzle

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we are just starting to get some sanity in the NRL salary cap

we've seen so many teams go bust, especially in SEQ (Chargers, Crushers etc) and we've seen forced mergers but thats all in the past now, hopefully

with the expansion of the NRL to places like NZ and FNQ, the cost of running an NRL club has been increased, but they seem to be able to manage it atm

Willy probably got a bit starry eyed from seeing what was on offer in the NFL, but this is Australia not America

to ask clubs to find an extra $1.5 million or there abouts, is a recipe for disaster and a return to the bad days of clubs going bust, imo
 

Lowdown

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brokendigit said:
"It would prove that without us there is no game."

No Willie - there are plenty of players that would gladly take your place. It is without the fans that there is no game.

Lose the fans...lose the game (and your big pay check).

Captain of Australia? That would be an alltime new low for League...
 

DeeGan

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Willie Mason's "column" is making for some entertaining reading it has to be said.

One of many rules as a leader in sport or business:

"Look over your shoulder now and then to be sure someone's following you."

Danny Buderus knocked this on the head when approached about a possible Origin strike and I cannot see many of Willie's peers endorsing the move either which would only alienate fans.

There is a concern when looking at the exodus of players leaving the NRL for the Super League and/or ARU. Is this the solution? No.

Do I know what the answer is? No.

Like Willie should do, I will back the powers-to-be come up with the answer to that one.

On and off the field our game is healthy, at it's healthiest since the Super League war. The argument for some type of increase and/or marquee player system (therein lies an answer somewhere I tend to believe) in an effort to thwart the attempts from cashed up codes or UK clubs is a valid one.

Losing players to the UK concerns me more so the ARU.

Seeing a Trent Barrett for example with plenty left to over in the NRL leading Wigan bugs me as much as I support the Super League competition.

Reading articles linking a guy like Matt King, a superb player at only 26 years of age with five really good years ahea dof him, to a move to the UK annoys me too.

Instead of laying the boot in to the RLPA Willie, how about being an active member who is willing to take up the fight for the benefit of future generations. It would be a long, drawnout task that won't get instant results - it would require work outside of your "real job" - it would be demaning though at the same time a learning process.

I am certain you will get more respect from your peers that way and not from a column spruking another off the cuff idea that lacks more than a day's thought behind it.

p.s. The players you are looking out for would happily put their hand up at Origin time if your strike was something you were willing to lead ;-)
 

butchmcdick

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If he really wanted to help fringe first graders at the dogs he could always slash 100k off his yearly asking price and redistribute it to them instead.

I find it hard to take that the fringe first graders are on more than most of us to play a game for a living. They are not nurses or teachers but athletes. If they are good enough then they will earn the big bucks but does the reserve hooker in premier league/ qld cup deserve 200k a year ? I understand that the NRL makes a fair bit of cash but so does willie mason in comparison to the average man.

If the players decieded to strike during state of origon it may be good for the public. I seem to remember a bunch of no name qlders in 1996 doing ok. The game has only just got over the superleague war, we need a strike like a hole in the head.

As for union poaching our talent they didn't develop, didn't we do that to them for 100 years ?
 

Mr Saab

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butchmcdick said:
I seem to remember a bunch of no name qlders in 1996 doing ok.

1995.
The four major sports in the USA have been on strike and it was a terrible time for their sports
 

TheBourbonBeast

Juniors
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If the players went on strike every nightclub owner, every cocain dealer will be clapping their hands in joy - cashed up players with nothing to do on the weekends!!

Sydney will go off those couple of weeks!!
 

Ant

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Legend I can see what your saying, but the bigger threat than rugby taking what 6 players of significance across a 5 year period is the money that the AFL is pouring into grassroots. The afl have got their model right.

The number of afl development officers on the ground seems to be about double that of the rugby league counterparts in nsw and qld.

Look it would be great for players to get a bit more money but not at the expense of the grassroots which must come first.

I know the nrl is trying to get to a point where they are able to give club's grants which equate to equal the salary cap. If that was done at $5million, thats $80 million dollars.

Thats leaves only about $46 million for every other aspect of the game, I know at the moment the NRL/ARL spend about $62 million on all the expenses with running and developing the game. Plus News Ltd get another $8 million out every year.

The new deal with telstra may give a bit more income, but I seriously doubt the nrl could afford anything more than $4 million to each club. They currently give each club $3.25 million.

We really don't want the rugby union model, which is spend everything at the top. Sure they might be spending $1 million on some players, but grassroots rugby is so far behind all the other codes, because no money is spent there.

Professional sportsperson is a life that many people would love and if that is your goal then you probably need to make sacrifices. It is similar to being an actor/rockstar. You might have to struggle at first.

And how far down do we go with these wages, do we want a minimum wage for all flegg players???

Look personally I think Willie like many players fails to grasp the whole picture and simply believes that players are the be all and end all. He also struggles with the concept that $25000 or $30000 is enough money for most young single people to get by on.

I was talking to a guy from the cowboys the other day, a former player who now works for the club and he said one of the biggest problems is that a lot of young players, guys who can't even make young guns but are signed to the club see football as their major income stream. He said it just shouldn't be that way. Kids need to understand football is their secondary income, because quite simply if we make it the case that every flegg player can make say $40000 a year they don't need to do anything else. So they have not working at all, gaining no skills and for 80% of them they will never make it past flegg. So we end up with a 21 year old who now has no work skills, has no future as a professional footballer and the best he can probably pick up is say $15000 a year at a non nrl related qld cup or jim beam side if he is lucky.

Look if you are in the top 25 and have to be fulltime then yes there should be a minimum wage, say $50000 which is plenty to live on. If this new under 20 comp needs to be close to fulltime then perhaps a minimum wage there of $20000, thats as much as many uni students live off making their sacrifices before getting more money as professionals.

I think we could raise rep payments to say $15000 a game, that means if you play 3 origins and 5 tri nations matches you could earn an extra $120000 if you played every game.Thats about a cost of $2 million for the games rep players which for mine is sustainable.
 

chunk

Juniors
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I think Willie forgets that without the fans there is no game.

There has never been more interest in the game and the eveness is becuase of that.

And with no salary cap there may only be half the fans and without my team the Tiges I certainly will not be watching Mason no matter how much money he gets.

I get sick and tired of the likes of Gould and Hughes trying to wreck our game with their thoughts on the cap.
 

boonboon

Juniors
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He is quiet clearly the stupidest man ever to play professional sport in Australia
His 500k just not covering the coke bills willie

As for the young players anyone in the top 25 gets 40k a year min which is not too shabby for blokes who play football and lets be honest dont draw in any fans other then thier family and friends and they have the potential to earn more as thier career progresses
 

Glenn

First Grade
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No doubt there is a case for raising the cap, but Willie WTF were you taking when you suggested going on strike during SOO? Do you really think the public will be sympathetic of those on strike crying poor?
 

badav

Bench
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Without the game there is no you.

Willie mason would be earning $14 an hour as a brickies labourer for the rest of his life if he wasnt playing footy. He should be grateful.

There is really no good reason to signficantly raise the cap unless ALL clubs can afford it (which they cant). Does anyone want to see a one horse race like in England. It would destroy our comp.
 

Dogs Of War

Coach
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Don't agree with the strike angle, but their should be more allowances in the cap for keeping long serving players. This would then help with retaining other marquee players.
 

ToiletDuck

Juniors
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The worst thing about this is going to be the love-in on the footy show next week where the whole panel will take turns to agree with him and suck his dick.
 

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