Windies a chance of pulling off a miracle

[Rubicon]

El Duque...although I refer to the Cairns 'incident', I have heard Cairns say that the saidincident did not happen.

Still, it was good dissection... I mean discussion.

Willow, with respect...did you miss the actual debate that was happening in the thread?

I thought the issue was whether or not McGrath acted, or re-acted, appropriately or justifiably in the West Indies. I'm not sure how the authenticity of one instance of on field drama has any bearingon this issue.

So, considering we initially set out discussing theMcGrath issue, and have onlyestablished that....

a) The Cairns story probably didn't happen
b) Our Prime ministers are plonkers

How do you conclude that this is a victory for the older cousins, when neither of the two said revelations are groundbreaking or new, and the real issue has not been resolved?

 

[Willow]

Ruby: "Willow, with respect...did you miss the actual debate that was happening in the thread?"
Nooooo... whats your point?

"So, considering we initially set out discussing theMcGrath issue, and have onlyestablished that...."
Once again & with respect, we were originally talking about the Windies' record win. Since then, the discussion has deviate in several different directions which is always good to see. McGrath's overeaction has dominated things but there's more than one discussion going on. Hope thats allright...

"How do you conclude that this is a victory for the older cousins, when neither of the two said revelations are groundbreaking or new, and the real issue has not been resolved?"
Which conclusion did I make? Perhaps you should actually break that down for me into a language that simpletons and mere mortals can understand. In other words, wtf are you talking about?

 

[ozbash]

hmmm,looks like i missed a beauty here....

Australia’s win-at-all-cost cricketers had a bad reputation and were not liked in the cricket world, International Cricket Council president Malcolm Gray said here on Wednesday.
Gray, a former chairman of the Australian Cricket Board, said some of the players’ behaviour was ugly and over the odds and it was up to the ACB to develop a change in culture within the team. Fast bowler Glenn McGrath has been widely condemned in Australia for his mid-pitch rant at West Indian batsman Ramnaresh Sarwan during the fourth Test in Antigua last week. The images of McGrath finger-pointing and screaming at Sarwan had letter-writers and talk-back callers back home calling for his head, while the ACB chief executive James Sutherland criticised his behaviour.
Gray said the match umpires should have taken “sterner action” over the McGrath incident and other on-field clashes. The ICC chief said it was up to the ACB to introduce a cultural change to prevent a repeat of the clashes seen in the West Indies. “(ICC chief executive) Malcolm Speed and I were in Europe so we didn’t see it, but from all of the reports we got it appeared to both of us that the behaviour of the players was quite over the odds,” Gray said. “It’s something that we don’t want in the sport and that in those circumstances, greater action and more sterner action should have been taken.”
Umpires David Shepherd and Srinivas Venkataraghavan laid no reports in the McGrath-Sarwan confrontation and Gray said Speed would review tapes of the matches. “He will review them but at this stage I don’t know what action, if any, will be taken, but I suspect there won’t be further action,” he said. Gray said sledging and spats were occurring too regularly in cricket and that Australia was a world leader.
Asked if Australia had a bad reputation around the world, he said: “Definitely, no doubt... Australians are not liked around the world. “The messages we were getting was that the Australian public and the Australian press felt it was way over the top ... this time the Australian people believed the actions were beyond the pale.” Gray said it was an umpire’s job to hose down any flare-ups on the field. But he said the ACB and other world bodies should also play a part. “In terms of process it is an ICC matter, in other words the umpires, referees and so forth,” he said.

 

[imported_midas]

I think Gray was a bit perturbed by the approach of Match Referee Mike Proctor who hosed down the whole thing over the last few days of the game with such phrases as "good hard Cricket" "Test Cricket being played as it should be" and "t6his is Test Cricket ,not backyard cricket" I t was pretty obvious that Procky was rapt in the whole thing and wished he was twenty years younger and out there.
At one stage I thought Procky was going to encourage "Bring back the Biff"
Anyway if Gray is going to hold another of his "after the horse has bolted "enquiries ,we shouldn,t be surprised.Saves him dealing with tough issues like match-fixing,throwing etc.

 

[Willow]

I agree midas. I thought the whole thing was dealt with. Sarwan and McGrath are mates again. McGrath apologised and most people knew he was under personal pressure. I don't what there is to gain by dragging it on.
I guess some blokes have to be seen to be doing their job.

 

[El Duque]

I guess some blokes have to be seen to be doing their job.

Well maybe they should give Akhtar a fair dinkum penalty for ball tampering.

If it had been Brett Lee who did it he would've probably copped 8 matches.

 

[ozbash]

dunno about that either..
i seem to remember that gordy tallis was going to be summararily executed for reacting when some dipshit called his mum a rig/pig.

by his own countrymen too.
you aussies pretend to be forgiving...

 

[imported_midas]

ozbash
the extent and depth of McGrath,s apology was unprecedented,certainly in recent times.For him to go to those lengths indicates genuine remorse.
It wasn,t one of your Richard Loe sorry-until-next time apologies but one which certainly impressed fair-minded people.
So it,s not a question of being unduly forgiving,simply a matter of realising when enough is enough.
As for the Gordy thing ,well that came about because Gordy can,t read,but then he,s a banana-bender and most of them can,t.