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Would you buy a used car from these men?

Rich102

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Sir Owen Glenn offered to buy the Warriors outright from co-owner Eric Watson but then offered to sell his shares when Watson's valuation was "grossly excessive,'' according to Sir Owen.

The pair have fallen out and a split between the multimillionaires seems imminent.

"Given the breakdown of our relationship, both business and personal, I suggested that I should acquire a 100 per cent stake in the Warriors,'' Sir Owen said in another statement released this morning. "I was pleased with the outcome, as it would have enabled me, along with appropriately appointed board members, to make the necessary changes that would create a new culture and environment for the Warriors to succeed and prosper. Eric Watson's ask for his 50 per cent stake, which I will not disclose, was grossly excessive.

Read Sir Owen Glenn's statement


"My only option, therefore, was to suggest that on the same value he should acquire my stake. Not surprisingly, after some discussion, negotiations ceased.''

Sir Owen told RadioSport this morning Watson offered him $1 million for his 50 per cent share in the club, a stake he originally paid $6.15 million for. He also said he's been ostracised from the club for some time.

"I just feel like an outsider to the club,'' he said from Paris. "Why keep money in it if you are not getting anything out of it? I'm not talking about dividends. I've never received a cent.

"I sorta backed off. I didn't bother going to any meetings. They stopped telling when there were meetings anyway and I then said to Eric, 'well this isn't going to work - what's the point'.''

Sir Owen's comments followed a statement in which he blasted the rugby league franchise for its "diabolical" behaviour in passing off the sacking of coach Matthew Elliott as a resignation - a move he said was "dishonourable treatment of an honourable man''.

He also said he was unaware Elliott was going to leave the club - something both Watson and the Warriors later disputed.

He re-iterated his views in this morning's statement.

"I want to make it quite clear I was not consulted on the termination of Matt Elliott's appointment as Warriors' coach. I was advised once the decision was made and the matter was a fait accompli. As co-owner of the Warriors, I find that position completely unacceptable.

"My single representative on the Warriors' board, who was dealing with a close family bereavement at the time these matters came to a head, has told me they were under the impression that Matt had 'resigned'. I believe her account.

"Eric Watson has said that I had asked `not to be fully involved' in the running of the Warriors and Bill Wavish claims that I `had previously asked not to be consulted directly on decisions'. This is an untruth. To the contrary, I agreed with Eric Watson that as shareholders we needed to be directly involved in major decisions regarding the Warriors management, selection of players and the coach. Eric Watson subsequently reneged on this arrangement.

"I want to repeat my charge that Matt Elliott has been treated less than honourably, and that continues to rankle with me because, as I said yesterday, he is a decent and honourable person. His graceful response to recent events has been a true measure of the man.''

Sir Owen said it was the lack of progress at the Warriors that he found disappointing.

He said he had talked to Mr Watson about parting company - "if talking is the way to [describe] it; you listen to him most of the time" - but he would not say whether the dispute was set for court.

"I'm not going to comment on any of that. I'm a businessman. I look at all options whatever I do. It's really a question of what is best for the sport and what is best for the both of us.''

Mad Butcher fuming
Warriors ambassador, businessman Sir Peter Leitch, said he was ``absolutely shell-shocked'' by Sir Owen's actions.

"I'm absolutely gutted by it, absolutely gutted by Sir Owen's comments and the way he's done it,'' he told TV One's Breakfast programme.

Problems should be dealt with behind closed doors, Sir Peter said, adding that by criticising his own club Sir Owen risked de-valuing its worth.

"He's gotta go, he's burnt the bridges - he didn't damage the bridge, he blew it up and there's nothing left,'' Sir Peter said.

"To come out and do what he's done has damaged the club. I feel violated. I'm gutted, I feel terrible about it all.''

He visited Elliott during the week, he said, but had not discussed whether Elliott had chosen to resign or was pushed.

Sir Peter ruled out his support for bringing Graham Lowe in as a new coach for the Warriors squad saying, he had "had his day as a coach''.

"Graham's a great guy, he's done more for rugby league than a lot of people ... but we need young blood and I think we've got the right guy in there now. We just have to get behind him.''

Watson - Everyone knew Elliott was going

Mr Watson told Newstalk ZB everyone on the board - including Sir Owen's representative - knew that the club was going to let Elliott go.

Sir Owen's comments came as a shock, he said. "It's caught me completely by surprise, which is not something that makes me very happy.''

Mr Watson said a board meeting had taken place within hours of the Warriors' 37-6 thrashing by the Cronulla Sharks on Saturday. "If they'd beaten the Sharks, he [Elliott] would probably still be the coach.''

Mr Watson confirmed he and Sir Owen had been in discussions "for some months'' about him buying Sir Owen's shareholding.

Sir Owen said that despite his having invested a considerable sum to buy a 50 per cent stake, it remained very much Mr Watson's club.

"The actual running of the club, the day-to-day decision-making on everything, never left Eric's hands. Everyone on the board and the manager [chief executive Wayne Scurrah] did exactly what he said. It wasn't a partnership.

"It's a wonderful club and fans and everything but I think there is something missing in the whole structure ... It is difficult to get into and probe because there is a defensive attitude within the club's administration.''

The war of words was triggered by Sir Owen's statement about Elliott's departure, which he said appeared to be a "knee-jerk decision" made "without ratification by the full board''.

"Adding insult to injury, there appears to have been an effort to evade accountability for the decision by dressing it up as a voluntary resignation, rather than calling it by its proper name.

"This was clearly designed to convey the impression that Matt Elliott chose not to stay. The Matt Elliott I know is not a quitter.''

A Warriors statement said Sir Owen did know of the decision to sack Elliott.

Chairman Bill Wavish said: "I met with Matt on Sunday morning with the full knowledge and unanimous support of the board. This support included Sir Owen's representative on the board, who subsequently told me that Sir Owen was informed.''

Mr Wavish said Sir Owen had previously asked not to be contacted directly on decisions as his shareholding was held in trust.

Sir Owen bought into the club in April 2012 through Kea Investments, registered in the British Virgin Islands.

Mr Watson's 50 per cent stake can be traced to Cullen Business Trust, of which he is the sole shareholder.

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nrl/news/article.cfm?c_id=270&objectid=11235413
 

hitman82

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Well it's better all this shit come out now, than for our club's issues to fester away for another couple of years. I suspect the root of much of this has been rotting away since before Cleary departed.

Obviously friction at owner level, board level, lies, player power, incompetent staff...
Pretty dire stuff.

Needed to come out sooner or later, and when it did it was never going to be pretty.
 

Skinner

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Well it's better all this shit come out now, than for our club's issues to fester away for another couple of years. I suspect the root of much of this has been rotting away since before Cleary departed.

Obviously friction at owner level, board level, lies, player power, incompetent staff...
Pretty dire stuff.

Needed to come out sooner or later, and when it did it was never going to be pretty.

There really is not much left is there...
 

hitro

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Well it's better all this shit come out now, than for our club's issues to fester away for another couple of years. I suspect the root of much of this has been rotting away since before Cleary departed.

Obviously friction at owner level, board level, lies, player power, incompetent staff...
Pretty dire stuff.

Needed to come out sooner or later, and when it did it was never going to be pretty.

Wow, what a spectacular implosion! I am hoping we can rebuild it better stronger and faster, like Steve Austin. Matt Eliot was only ever going to be alright, perhaps the new guy will be good, there's at least a chance. I guess Owen Glenn is outtahere, although Russell Crowes partner at Souths tried to get out but failed. There's not too many super-loaded Rugby League fans in NZ. Didn't it go so wrong from that stupid press conference about being the top sport franchise? That was Owen Glenn talking mainly I think. Hopefully Wayne Scurrah is gone next, we're never going anywhere with him apart from Eden Park with twelve different jumpers for a team that mainly loses.
 

SpaceMonkey

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As far as I'm concerned Glenn can piss off. Eric Watson on the other hand is pretty much the reason the club still exists. He bought in when the club was at it's absolute rock bottom and literally saved the club, two years later they were in a GF. Like most good owners he hasn't meddled in the day to day running of the club except in times he's been forced to step in when the appointed management have let the club down. And he's stuck by the club for 13 years now.
Glenn on the other hand decided to get involved when the club was already in a pretty healthy place (2011), then made a whole bunch of noise about becoming the #1 sporting franchise in Australasia.... all we got was the Bluey fiasco and the dramas that have followed and now he wants out when the going is tough. He hasn't 1/10th of Watson's mana with the club and at this point is simply being disruptive, I'd rather see him gone.
 

Marty

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Couldnt agree more SpaceMonkey. Well said. Would love to see him take 100% ownership.
 

spear tackle

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Well at one point or another we always wondered what went on behind closed doors at an NRL club, now we know-sort of.
 

Skinner

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Well at one point or another we always wondered what went on behind closed doors at an NRL club, now we know-sort of.

I think the difference is that most clubs don't air their dirty laundry in public. Although, I guess you could argue that it's a pleasant change to be kept fully informed for once......
 

MKEB...

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Still nothing on the ownership issues at Parra and Penrith over the years, or what Newcastle gould find themselves facing in the next couple of years. So in a strange obscure sort way, we can count ourselves reasonably lucky.
 

Rich102

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The most sensible solution, one would think, is that one buy the other out.
They both own 50% each.
Watson has offered Glen $1M for his 50% but wants $15M for his own 50%.
Reasonable?
 

Iron Lion

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This is really appalling guys. I am genuinely concerned this season may be a write off already. The warrior in me wants the team to respond and win on the field but truthfully the roots of this business is so badly infected it looks like a root canal is required and that will take time to fix and heal.

In business I am a stickler for the little things, these typically indicate the health of an entity, if the little things are great then the bigger plan comes into fulfillment.

At the beginning of the NRL season the Warriors website was still out of date, Junior players not added, profile stats not there and even a week or two out they still had Russel Packers profile up! very small things I agree but for a major entity this is their online face and it reflected a business enterprise that was not in touch at all. Comparing it to other NRL websites was embarrassing. Warriors have people collecting payments , jobs for the boys and it shows.

The out fighting that is taking place is hugely worrying. I cant believe two renowned business men are playing this out in the media, both are coming across as class clowns. Get on a conference call and sought this bullshit out, stop running this club through the dirt in the public. The only valid reason you would think this is taking place in the open is that both owners want out and are effectively putting up the for sale signs at a distress rate. Both these guys DO NOT have the clubs best interest in mind.

Honestly the odds of us having a good season now are at 25%, And that is based purely on the most important aspect the players deciding to turn up. Apart from that its a professional mess.

Gutted it got to this stage, can see why people lost money with Hanover now.
 

ozbash

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This is really appalling guys. I am genuinely concerned this season may be a write off already. The warrior in me wants the team to respond and win on the field but truthfully the roots of this business is so badly infected it looks like a root canal is required and that will take time to fix and heal.

In business I am a stickler for the little things, these typically indicate the health of an entity, if the little things are great then the bigger plan comes into fulfillment.

At the beginning of the NRL season the Warriors website was still out of date, Junior players not added, profile stats not there and even a week or two out they still had Russel Packers profile up! very small things I agree but for a major entity this is their online face and it reflected a business enterprise that was not in touch at all. Comparing it to other NRL websites was embarrassing. Warriors have people collecting payments , jobs for the boys and it shows.

The out fighting that is taking place is hugely worrying. I cant believe two renowned business men are playing this out in the media, both are coming across as class clowns. Get on a conference call and sought this bullshit out, stop running this club through the dirt in the public. The only valid reason you would think this is taking place in the open is that both owners want out and are effectively putting up the for sale signs at a distress rate. Both these guys DO NOT have the clubs best interest in mind.

Honestly the odds of us having a good season now are at 25%, And that is based purely on the most important aspect the players deciding to turn up. Apart from that its a professional mess.

Gutted it got to this stage, can see why people lost money with Hanover now.

Pretty much sums it up. I'm over this week, it can f**k off...
 

vvvrulz

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The out fighting that is taking place is hugely worrying. I cant believe two renowned business men are playing this out in the media, both are coming across as class clowns..

This right here is the biggest joke of the whole affair.
As D'arcy put it last evening, its two chimps in a sandpit.
 

spear tackle

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Lots of other clubs have problems be it infighting, battling insolvency or various other enquireries going on. At least we know how deep in the mud the warriors are at the moment.
Should they win on the paddock this week and string a few wins or put up a few good fights I bet people will start to forget this whole thing and put it behind them, if they loose however well it'll be a long season indeed
 

Iron Lion

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This may be a blessing in disguise, I have heard the players are not responding to Mannerings influence on the team at all. I hear Leulaui is the leader and he has really made an impact on the guys the most.

Simon is a average player but well served the club.
 

Scott

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Rumours coming through Mannering has already signed up for Penrith

How is that even possible. He's contracted till end of 2015, which would mean no club is permitted to speak to him till November 1, and vice versa. Is that correct??


Even if he has signed/agreed to terms or whatever, who could blame him.

As i've stated previously, if they don't want to be here, then f**k off.
 
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