WWE SuperThread *Spoilers*

[Big Pete]

Name dropping them in shoot promos is only going to do more harm than good.

 

[Misanthrope]

They're not really shoot promos though...

 

[Big Pete]

Sorry 'pipebombs'.

 

[afinalsin666]

The Road to Wrestlemania is underway with a rocky start (pun intended).

Punk starts the show absolutely livid, and looking more and more like a junkie because of it. Really good promo, with a hell of a lot of feeling in it.

A few good matches, Sandow v Shaemus in a tables match was a good bit of fun, Randy v Cesaro was good as well, except Miz acting a heel. Cena absolutely destroyed Cody Rhodes without even breaking a sweat, which i hated. The promo he cut after the match was a-ok, nothing spectacular, but got over the fact that he is serious this time around (hopefully). Jericho and Ziggler v Team Hell No should have went longer, but was ok for what it was.

A couple garbage segments that i skipped, Khali, zack ryder and hornswoggle singing karaoke or some sh*t, Clay vs Tensai in a dancing competition, Tensai wearing lingerie for... some reason. A crappy divas match, and about 800 recaps. This is why they went 3 hours huh? Yeah, that was a vital move.

Also turns out the predictability carried on from the Rumble a little bit, with Heyman paying off the Shield and Maddox. Who knows if they were just doing jobs for him, or actually work for him.

Lesnar made his return to save Heyman from being fired by F5ing the boss. Okay, maybe Vince will try to fire him again next week but HHH will make the save.

Overall some good parts to the show, but some absolutely mind bogglingly stupid segments.

I would be extremely happy seeing a Heyman/Punk/Lesnar/Shield stable officially form.

 

[Big Pete]

Why is predictability seen as such a bad thing in wrestling?

 

[afinalsin666]

It isn't a bad thing, per se, but it is an average thing. Unpredictability, and shocks, most of the time generate a lot more excitement, which is a good thing. It's all in the context, but an average thing next to a good thing, makes the average thing look bad.

An example; Zack Ryder is a perfectly serviceable wrestler, but he will look bad against Shawn Michaels. Reason everyone is pissed, is they were expecting Shawn Michaels.

 

[Big Pete]

Only when those 'shocks' are done right and usually that isn't the case.

The WWE could have done a better job of keeping it a mystery, sure, but Heyman being behind the stable is acceptable. At the end of the day, the fact they've promoted three new guys into main event level spots is the big positive.

Whoever had those expectations on Zack had their heads in the clouds. JoMo I could understand, but Ryder?

 

[afinalsin666]

The metaphor didn't work

What i meant was that Zack Ryder is an average guy, but pales in comparison to Michaels. He isn't bad, but next to something good, he certainly looks that way. Ryder is the obvious, and Michaels is the twist. I really didn't word that well.



I guess we have been spoiled by the last few PPV's with surprises. Maddox, the Shield, The Shield actually winning, etc.

After thinking on it, i'm ok Rock won if that means we get Heyman, Lesnar and Punk and Shield in cahoots. There could only be one, Punk as champion, or Punk in a stable. The stable will be an acceptable compromise i believe. That is, if WWE pull the trigger on it. Give the average joe's their twice in a lifetime, and give the core crowd a Heyman Alliance. Win/win.

 

[Big Pete]

Ahh, I get what you're saying.

Lately, the whole predictibility criticism is an issue that's irked me. I understand that swerves generate a lot of excitement and discussion but from a business stand point they're usually done because the company has been backed into a corner and need to create that water-cooler discussion.

At this stage, it wouldn't make sense for the WWE to 'swerve' the audience given the stars they currently have available. They've got the money matches, now they need to promote them effectively to the point where people want to pay to see these guys fight in the ring.

 

[Scott Gourley's Lovechild]

WWE really needs to promote new people to the top of the card, I believe this is their core issue. Having guys like Ziggler, who could be the next big heel for the company, job out hard to the top talent makes him look no more than an IC Title level competitor with a breifcase as opposed to someone who could carry the company for the next decade.

To think TNA are doing a better job with this is mind boggling considering recent history.

 

[afinalsin666]

And you don't get as backed into a corner as Cena dropping out of Hell in a Cell because of injury. It's fun to think of what would have happened if Cena didn't get injured, if they had gone with plan A.

I expected too much from them, so i personally was disappointed with it. And it turns out i am a huge Punk mark haha. The loss upset me more than i thought it would, even though it was the smart business move.

The thing that annoyed me yesterday was Punk not even getting a GTS off, and only taking a People's Elbow to lose. But now i see that it was to set up the frustration of Punk having the match restart, and losing his cool against the Rock. He lost because of his own frustration, and it will make the next match have that much more feeling. I see it now as the middle chapter in the story of Punk/Rock, rather than the end of the story of the WWE Champion. This next match is where they will absolutely let rip. Throw a no-dq stip on it, especially if it is the last match.

It is logical, but it took me a long ass while to see that haha.

edit: Also annoyed that Rock isn't wrestling in the Chamber. He should be overcoming adversity, and yadda yadda, and you don't get as adverse as an Elimination Chamber Match.

 

[Special K]

fmd I am getting sick of them staring at the mania sign and I am only at the 49 minute mark. How come Cena is talking about Punk vs Rock again when it hasn't been announced?

Spewing Raw was in Vegas I'll be there this weekend for the UFC. I would of gone earlier if I knew this.

 

[Big Pete]

I don't think the WWE have to promote guys right now, but certainly after Mania they need to make some decisions.

However, I don't think it's as urgent as you're letting on SGL. Plenty of guys just received their push from 09-12 and there is still plenty of leg-room for them. (eg. Punk, Bryan, Ryback, Sheamus, The Shield, Ziggler, Del Rio etc.). With Cesaro moving through the ranks they've got enough workers to last them through the next few years.

Meltzer's theory for the finish made a degree of sense. Basically, since The Rock has been away for so long, the idea may have been to make his finishers mean something so when he eventually faces Cena at Mania, John will receive a bigger reaction for kicking out of the People's Elbow.

As I said in the RR thread, I was fine with Punk losing to the People's Elbow. Punk had endured a lot through out the match and it was treated like a sudden death finish. Factor in the whole feud stemmed from Punk clobbering The Rock as he was going for the People's Elbow and the finish was fairly poetic.

 

[Scott Gourley's Lovechild]

edit: Also annoyed that Rock isn't wrestling in the Chamber. He should be overcoming adversity, and yadda yadda, and you don't get as adverse as an Elimination Chamber Match.

He is defending the Title though against Punk. If he went into the EC, the outcome would be quite anti-climactic. The big issue for me is having a PPV like the EC prior to WM every year.

 

[Special K]

Just finished it. Punk and Heyman stole the show again. The two Punk promos were f**king awesome. I loved how he called out the Rock for not working house shows and dared him to show up at EC. Shame Cena spoiled it an hour before... Really wtf was with that???

I really, really hope they make Heyman the leader of a Punk, Brock, Shield hell even Maddox stable. Build it for a year then have Punk/Brock at mania next year. Have Brock as a guy who cannot be controlled like he was on Raw making Heyman stress and let it build over the next 12 months. I really think they have something here with Brock, Punk, Heyman and the Shield. Please WWE do not cum in your pants like you have been doing lately.

edit - also The Rock was great and heaps better on the mic then he was yesterday. Really do get the feeling that Punk could end up like Mankind in 99 in that he has been carrying the belt, has the best storyline but it runs out a month before mania. I'd hate for him to be a 3rd wheel in Cena/Rock. Hopefully Rock wins at EC which forces Punk to do something drastic for respect and goes after Taker. Or fights the big show for a chance to be a shitty guest ref... spew.

 

[shiznit]

I don't think the WWE have to promote guys right now, but certainly after Mania they need to make some decisions.

However, I don't think it's as urgent as you're letting on SGL. Plenty of guys just received their push from 09-12 and there is still plenty of leg-room for them. (eg. Punk, Bryan, Ryback, Sheamus, The Shield, Ziggler, Del Rio etc.). With Cesaro moving through the ranks they've got enough workers to last them through the next few years.

Meltzer's theory for the finish made a degree of sense. Basically, since The Rock has been away for so long, the idea may have been to make his finishers mean something so when he eventually faces Cena at Mania, John will receive a bigger reaction for kicking out of the People's Elbow.

As I said in the RR thread, I was fine with Punk losing to the People's Elbow. Punk had endured a lot through out the match and it was treated like a sudden death finish. Factor in the whole feud stemmed from Punk clobbering The Rock as he was going for the People's Elbow and the finish was fairly poetic.

i don't get the hate for the peoples elbow...

elbows are deadly...

i think if you can buy into the fact that GTS would be effective against any grown man... im pretty sure you can buy in to the peoples elbow...

wrestling finishers always f**k you up... even the most ridiculous ones... anyone remember the Heart Punch?? :lol:

How many hall of famers have fallen to the Hogan leg drop?? :lol:

even today... Big Show and his one punch... :lol:

i mean come on son... if you can buy into that bullshit you can buy into the peoples elbow...

 

[Special K]

If it was the peoples roaring elbow then I'd see your point but a goofy elbow to the chest is kind of lame.

I still think the elbow was probably punks idea as he strikes me as a person who would get a kick out of everyone getting upset about. Plus it makes sense with him shitting on the people etc... I personally a Rock Bottom would of have been better though. I think most people were expecting him to kick out of the elbow and were like "argh.." which I can see Punk/WWE liking.

 

[AusKnightRKO]

So HHH will return next week or whenever McMahon returns, so its either setting up a brock vs hhh match, or are a evolution vs The Shield match.

Mania could be good this year though my dream card

The Rock vs Cena ( wwe championship)
Punk vs Undertaker
HHH Vs Brock Lesnar
Del Rio vs Randy Orton (WHC)
Ziggler vs Jericho
Tag Team Championship Gauntlet
Rey Mysterio vs Sin Cara
MITB ( Sheamus, Kofi, Miz, Christian, Barrett,Cesaro???)
Ryback Vs Big Show
Divas Match

 

[afinalsin666]

i don't get the hate for the peoples elbow...

elbows are deadly...

i think if you can buy into the fact that GTS would be effective against any grown man... im pretty sure you can buy in to the peoples elbow...

wrestling finishers always f**k you up... even the most ridiculous ones... anyone remember the Heart Punch?? :lol:

How many hall of famers have fallen to the Hogan leg drop?? :lol:

even today... Big Show and his one punch... :lol:

i mean come on son... if you can buy into that bullshit you can buy into the peoples elbow...

My biggest problem was there was only one. After kicking out of Multiple AA's, multiple pedigrees, etc, it really should have taken a lot more. I'm not against the People's Elbow ending it after a Rock Bottom, but ending it on it's own is the problem.

Rock Bottom, into People's Elbow, is a-ok.
Spinebuster, which every wrestler cops every nearly every match, into the People's Elbow, is not.

 

[Big Pete]

Could be reading too much into it but as messy as Cena's promo was, I get the impression we could have a Wrestlemania 3-way between Punk/Rock & Cena.

Might make for a better match.