Y.N.W.A Thread III: Enter 'The Normal One'

[Captain Apollo]

Can has been shocking but that is Can's level, to me he is not doing anything far different to what he typically does. He only excels when his job is extremely simplified, and I think the team can do with players better than that. For all his natural 'talent', what the hell has he actually learnt since he became a reds player? Nothing! Absolutely nothing! He's still a legend in his own eyes yet above his eyes is still as slow as he ever was. The guy just isn't cut out for it. I was patient with him but it's time for Can to go. Liverpool is not his level.

Having shitty defenders doesn't help, but neither does Klopp's bad team selections like this. Whenever possible, Lallana should be starting every f**king game in centre midfield. That is patently his best position, and the midfield patently looks and works better when he is in it. Yet at the moment we have a f**king donkey occupying that space while Lallana is being WASTED out on the wing. Klopp, Lallana is not a f**king winger! We tried that with Lallana for 2 seasons and he was so bad at it we wanted him sold in the pre-season! f**k Emre Can off, put Lallana back in midfield, and put Origi out on the right while Mane is away. Origi may be in average form but when in form his hold up play is good, he is fast, and he knows how to whip in a good ball. Not as good as Mane, but good enough for a couple games. If Klopp just did that it would provide so much more attacking balance, and it would instantly improve the midfield back to what it was, because Emre Can is like an anchor slowing everything down, sadly not the kind of midfield anchor that you want. As well as improved attack, with Lallana's presence the midfield protection of the back 4 is fine. Lallana knows how to press properly and this helps provide the good protection. But Can is nowhere near as smart of a footballer and the team suffers.

And why didn't he start Matip?! How f**king ready does the guy need to be?! If he was ready to go for United save the FIFA nonsense, then why is he not ready to go for Swansea at home? Does he seriously need a few days preparation with the whole team? It's not like we only just bought him a couple days ago! If the guy is fit, then f**king start him!

I agree with you regarding Can and Lallana. Can's form the past month (at least) has been poor. He needs some time in reserves in my opinion. Our attack looks far better when Lallana is in centre mid-field, he is the pivot of the attack and proved that during our good run earlier in the season.

Regarding Matip, his non-startiung may be that the ruling on his eligibility to play did not come through until the day before the game. As such Klopp may have been unsure it would come through in time, so he hadn't had Matip train to start. I'm only guessing here I will admit.

That said Lovren has not been playing well for weeks, whilst Klavan is good one minute then bad the next. Maybe we should have Matip/Gomez at CB for our next game - also this is what happens when you freeze out a CB in Sakho but have not replaced him in your squad. Leaves you thin when bad form strikes.

Other thing is we need some more pace in the side, especially on the wings.

 

[Jack_Napier]

Matip played 60 mins in the U/23's 3-0 win against Ipswitch over night. Didn't have all that much to do and looked extremely comfortable. Maybe Klopp felt he was slightly underdone for the first team. We need him back ASAP.

I'd love Klopp to give Gomez and Matip a run together. Gomez is young I know but he can't be any worse than Lovren and he has Lot more upside. Reads the game well for a young kid and has all the physical attritibutes to make. Might put Lovren on notice as well.

Agree with Nick about dropping Lallana back to where he was most effective at the start of the season. We need more pace and directness on the wings with Manè away.

 

[saint.nick]

Matip played 60 mins in the U/23's 3-0 win against Ipswitch over night. Didn't have all that much to do and looked extremely comfortable. Maybe Klopp felt he was slightly underdone for the first team. We need him back ASAP.

I'd love Klopp to give Gomez and Matip a run together. Gomez is young I know but he can't be any worse than Lovren and he has Lot more upside. Reads the game well for a young kid and has all the physical attritibutes to make. Might put Lovren on notice as well.

Agree with Nick about dropping Lallana back to where he was most effective at the start of the season. We need more pace and directness on the wings with Manè away.

Yep, I'd rather try to develop a great partnership involving a young talented player rather than an older one who is just not going to get better. I admire Lovren's commitment but I just don't think he's cut out to be a starting centre back for Liverpool. Since Klopp's system is so offensively-minded, it requires very strong centre backs (and fullbacks of course) to cope with that. Chelsea, on the other hand, get away with it using such players as Cahill, Alonso and (arguably) Luiz because the system is defensively-based.

I don't know what the f**k has been going through Klopp's mind to put Lallana on the wing. Lallana provides nearly all attacking impetus from midfield. He's not only weakened one area of the pitch, but two areas. Removing Lallana from CM weakens the CM trio, and placing Lallana into RW further weakens the front 3. Shifting Lallana has also weakened the defence because he contributes well to providing defensive protection in the midfield with his pressing and work rate, hence why a pure DM was not totally necessary.

 

[Jack_Napier]

Couts extends and upgrades his contract for 5 years through to 2022 and makes him our highest earner apparently.

Also helps us to get better $$$ once Barca come calling, longer deal on a bigger wage means any side will have to up the ante to sign him.

 

[saint.nick]

Couts extends and upgrades his contract for 5 years through to 2022 and makes him our highest earner apparently.

Also helps us to get better $$$ once Barca come calling, longer deal on a bigger wage means any side will have to up the ante to sign him.

He doesn't have a release clause...kinda makes me suspect he actually does want to stay. You'd think a player angling for a move away would only agree to contract with a release clause...

 

[Jack_Napier]

He doesn't have a release clause...kinda makes me suspect he actually does want to stay. You'd think a player angling for a move away would only agree to contract with a release clause...

I honestly think if we can get Champions League football then we'll have no problems keeping him for a few more years.

i like the fact there is no release clause, keeps Clubs like Psg and City away from him a lot more. Those clubs have no dramas activating high release clauses.

 

[saint.nick]

f**k me, what's that record against top-flight teams without Mane now? 0 wins 4 losses. When we don't have Mane, the game plan to beat us is so f**king simple, park the bus then hit on the counter. Because our incisiveness without Mane is non-existent.

*edit* - 0 wins, 4 losses, 1 draw. Aside from OT, every game was Liverpool vs a parked bus. It seems f**king impossible for Liverpool to break down stubborn defences without Mane, they don't know what to do without his speed, width and directness. And when the attack is so toothless, the opposition soaks up the pressure and places even more pressure on our defence. Sure, their goal was made easier by the fact our centre halves were so far forward just to get a goal, but we were still badly exposed a number of times and should've been 2-0 down in the first half if it weren't for Karius. The importance of buying another winger in the summer - or even two - can't be overstated. Julian Brandt's stats don't exactly set the world alight but he still looks like a real talent and the kind of player we need.

 

[thorson1987]

f**k that was frustrating.

What was also frustrating was the Soton fans easily being louder than ours.

 

[saint.nick]

f**k that was frustrating.

What was also frustrating was the Soton fans easily being louder than ours.

Because the big away section isn't diluted with tourists and the like. It's really not surprising anymore.

 

[Haffa]

Because the big away section isn't diluted with tourists and the like. It's really not surprising anymore.

Sounds like every ground in England. Besides maybe stoke. Everyone's away support shits on their home. Except Arsenal they're shit everywhere.

 

[saint.nick]

Sounds like every ground in England. Besides maybe stoke. Everyone's away support shits on their home. Except Arsenal they're shit everywhere.

Yep, away days have a real lad culture which leads to a real terrace culture. Plus there's always the incentive of having supporting bragging rights over the home crowd.

 

[saint.nick]

I honestly think if we can get Champions League football then we'll have no problems keeping him for a few more years.

i like the fact there is no release clause, keeps Clubs like Psg and City away from him a lot more. Those clubs have no dramas activating high release clauses.

Been reading ed002's opinions recently...god he can talk a lot of shit!

 

[Jack_Napier]

Been reading ed002's opinions recently...god he can talk a lot of shit!

He seems to enjoy Klopp not doing well for some strange reason.

 

[saint.nick]

He seems to enjoy Klopp not doing well for some strange reason.

I reckon you're right. He always tries to deny it but he seems to have some beef with the guy. Every time Liverpool has a form slump he's always the first ed responding to posters with comments on how underachieving he is and how 'unintelligent' he is. He was pretty quiet when Liverpool had a good 2016 post-August.

When it comes to facts, he's bang on, but when it comes to opinions, he's an absolute moron...but is deluded enough to believe every single opinion of his in his arrogant old fart brain is irrefutable fact, and if you don't agree then you're just a moron. I can't stand it, it's impossible to have a reasonable debate with him. A guy posts yesterday, "Does anyone think our bad form has anything to do with lack of winter break?" And then ed002 dismissively responds, and I paraphrase, "Liverpool's current troubles have already been explained a number of times". LOL, yes ed002, despite the fact you only casually watch football, you are still the font of all knowledge, and your 'factual' opinions stand above the rest.

I actually got indefinitely blocked by the dude because: some guy posted that Klopp should put aside his beef with Sakho, I countered why he shouldn't, ed002 responds with a long rant about how Liverpool are hypocrites because they gave Suarez leeway (which fair enough they are), I said yeah you may be right but Suarez has ultimately nothing to do with the individual discretion of Klopp. So then ed002 tries to pretend I have autism or something and reckons I didn't understand what the OP was saying, I said "umm, what are you talking about, he clearly said Sakho should be given a chance and I merely gave a different opinion to that". It went back and forth a couple times and then he's like, 'I think we are done with you for a while, Nick'.

WTF! That was at least 3 weeks ago and my posts still don't get aired! I actually sent an email asking wtf is going on, but typically no response, because if ed002 raped and murdered a whole village he would still be defended by those people. He may contribute a lot but he's still an absolute tyrannical twat of a person.

 

[Captain Apollo]

Might it be time for Liverpool to move Sturridge on? He has not been anywhere near the player he was a few years agao, his form is down, and he still has injury concerns. Further I wonder whether Klopp really wants him as his tactics don't seem to work to Sturridge's strengths, let alone Sturridge doesn't have the typical work rate Klopp expects of his players either. Thoughts?

 

[Haffa]

Sell him to us on the cheap, please. He'd be a star in the 3-4-3

 

[Jack_Napier]

Currently down 2-0 to Wolves in the F.A Cup. Look like shot ducks big time. Wolves more than deserve their 2 goal lead before half time.

 

[saint.nick]

This team is officially in crisis.

 

[Jack_Napier]

Too much sideways passing, not enough brains in the midfield and a timid defence. We've gotten exactly what we deserved today.

Wijnaldum has been so disappointing yet again.

80% possession and haven't looked like scoring, think it took an hour to get a shot on target.

Sides just pack the centre of the park against us and we still try playing through the middle of them. Game has really shown how much we miss genuine pace on the flanks with Manè being away.

 

[umina panther]

Lol f**k me that was awful