Your annual spend.

[Mr Angry]

So who get the money when your dead?

 

[Sportsjock]

So who get the money when your dead?

The royalties are inherited by your family member or whoever you choose to own your songs on your will :lol:

E.g. YOKO ONO :lol:

 

[Simo]

SportsJock,

I understand and can see both sides of the argument.

There are alot of people that dont buy anything because its free. And there are people who buy more stuff they they wouldnt otherwise know of or give a chance.

I used to tape songs that interested me of the radio. Id listen to them on my walkman and then buy what i liked. I have heaps of tapes with tonnes of stuff i never bought as it didnt really interest me enough. However i have tonnes of CD's because of the things that did intrest me.

I do the same with the net although now im not restricted to what i hear on the radio. Thats why i personally like free downloads.

But you must be thinking of how many people are just gonna download digital quality copies, burn them at home and never give you a cent. And that sucks.

People have this vision of mega stars millionaires but forget there are heaps more that arent mega millonaires and it hurts them. However i sleep well at night myself as i know i like to buy what i like, and dont feel guilty for trying out songs to see if i like them.

On the radio royalties, do they really get money from EVERY single time its played?? The radio stations could never make money or maybe thats why there is alot of crap talking alot of the time!

What sort of money per song are we roughly talking here? 1 cent, 1 buck, 10 bucks?

Good luck with your songs, what stlye of music do you write? The internet may get you a sale if its up my alley!

 

[Mr Angry]

hmmmm.....
Very interesting

So who is getting the money for the mozart I listen to occasionally on the radio?

This is very interesting to me.

You do something once and get paid forever for it.

 

[Sportsjock]

hmmmm.....
Very interesting

So who is getting the money for the mozart I listen to occasionally on the radio?

This is very interesting to me.

You do something once and get paid forever for it.

Just like a writer of a book. The writer of Harry Potter - worth more than the Queen of England.

Writing is the ultimate passive income. Do something once, get paid for a long time.

No idea who is getting the money for Mozart, but they are likely doing ok out of it :lol:

 

[Dean Moriarty]

Copyright only lasts for a fixed period of time. After that it goes into the public domain. Hence why all those classic novels sell so cheaply.

But when you hear Mozart on the radio, the performing orchestra would be getting the payment.

 

[frank]

I'm pretty sure there's a cut off point.
Something like 60 years after the song is written, royalties cease.

I could be wrong on the time fram. I'll find out for sure.

 

[Sportsjock]

Hey Simo,

Radio stations pay a % of their profits every year to the relevant royalty collection society in the country of origin. E.g. in Australia APRA look after all royalties www.apra.com.au

The songs are then divided up by a % of the amount of times played, by the amount of fees that particular radio station pay APRA. If its a Madonna song, APRA forwards on these royalties annually to the sister royalty collection place in the USA ( ASCAP ) and they in turn forward it on to the songwriters of the song in their relevant country.

It is kinda confusing, but to sum it up, you get paid more per song on a larger radio station.

You might get 12 cents a play on a small community radio, and $2 a play on Triple M or a major network. I don't envy the collection places who sort it out.

The best part of APRA and ASCAP etc is they are non profit organisations.

You get paid even more as a songwriter if your song is featured on movies, television, or even film clips on MTV or Channel V. It isnt uncommon for the songwriter to get paid above $5 everytime a major network play their film clips on Channel V.

Getting a song into a movie soundtrack is a great earner, because you get paid upfront for the rights to use the song, and then royalties on top of that everytime the movie is broadcast on cinema, TV, DVDs or video etc.

 

[Sportsjock]

Yes guys you are right, copyright ceases 50 years after the death of the songwriter.

In cases of one dead one alive joint writers like Lennon/McCartney, the copyright only ceases 50 years after the death of the remaining member.

 

[Samwise]

Yeah i think they are online, i'll email one to you when i get a chance. Hack on triple j did a story on it a little while back. but as a marketing student, i can tell you even though you don't directly profit from having your music on the net, you need to take into account the opportunity cost of all that free advertising. I guess it depends what kind of market you are trying to crack into and how you are utilising mp3 technology. just putting your songs on kazaa isn't enough, nor is having a link on your website to download a sample. it does help but it needs to be executed in the right way for it to be effective. if you are trying to crack into the top 40 mainstream kind of scene then it probably isn't effective because the big labels and studios have that market tied up, very rarely can an independent get in because they simply don't have the marketing budget. i've heard of one of your songs from your website and it seems to me thats the kind of market your going for (correct me if i'm wrong, but your stuff just didnt appeal to me) if that is the case i'd be targeting the young teen market (thats where the big bucks are), get your face on after school shows like big arvo or any of those other shows, do some free short gigs at HMV or in some shopping center, and maybe offer a few (not all) free song downloads on the commercial radio stations websites. If you are after the older more alternative market (not big money at all) i'd be getting everyone you know to request your stuff on triple j, do a few free indie gigs like the valley fiesta in brisbane, or get some gigs at more indie driven clubs and pubs, go for small stages at the festivals, and tour your arse off.

 

[Sportsjock]

I'm one of those guys you want to hate Samwise , you know, involved with one of those bastard major labels ;-) my promo is pretty well looked after. I actually go back to america monday which is always fun. I am one of those artists though where I am not driven by fame. My label hassles me out to move to America. Because I love the lifestyle where I live , I refuse to go. It hinders my career in the process by doing so - but it is a choice I make. Maybe I am a bit like Jamie Lyon :lol:

What alot of people tend to forget though, is it isn't just about the artist or writer when it comes to free downloads.

When people download for free, how does it affect the independent smaller record retailers? What about the poor bastards sitting in a record manufacture factory getting paid $5 an hour to pack endless CDs. If CD's aren't selling, they don't get work.

It affects way more than the record label and songwriter. There is a whole chain list of people it affects just as much as the writer. And those people don't get the benefit from concert tickets and tee shirt sales.

 

[Mr Angry]

Well f**k me you learn something everyday.
No wonder Ozzie is so f***ked up.
I have a new hobby, got to look out for the grand-kids. :lol:

 

[Simo]

What website is your music on?? I cant find it in your profile?

Or is this a personal thing only a few know about?

 

[Sportsjock]

Few people on here may know. I kinda don't want to go heaps public to be honest. A few members may have the album.


I'll PM you dude.

 

[Anonymous]

It's good to see you've turned out so casual, casual SJ.

 

[Anonymous]

Oh right, annual spend. Well here's an amazing fact- I haven't downloaded a single song, or purchased a single CD, for over 7 months. And I don't know why.

 

[wittyfan]

It's good to see you've turned out so casual, casual SJ.

And maybe you've found a better place, a better day....

 

[Sportsjock]

:lol: Classy lyrics Sullyfan and Thierry.

This worlds my playground , this worlds my stage ... :lol:

 

[dragonfly]

I shop online and spend a little less than i could cause its a great cheap shop.
Its a real good website too.
I am not sure if im alowed to mention it here??????. If anyone wants to know just send me a personal message or if i am allowed to post it let me know.

 

[Alex28]

OK...

Average:
50 albums a year @ $25 a CD - $1,125
Music Festivals - $250 for BDO and Splendour - put travel on top of that.
Concerts - damn...heaps...might see 10 shows a year i guess...i travelled down the east coast last year seeing ben harper (4 shows) and this year to see radiohead (3 shows and had a ticket to the 4th).

alot would be my total but it is so worth it...