Future NRL Stadiums

[El Diablo]

and Barr backflips http://www.canberratimes.com.au/spo...-stadium-in-canberra-cbd-20170324-gv5rpf.html

ACT chief minister Andrew Barr back flips on proposed stadium in Canberra CBD

• 
  Eamonn Tiernan
  

Plans for a new $350 million stadium in Civic appear doomed after ACT chief minister Andrew Barr revealed Canberra would need an A-League team to make the project viable.

The government continues to delay a decision on when or if the proposed stadium with a clear roof will be built as it foots the bill for the light rail project and Mr Fluffy clean-up.

But Barr's comments on Friday are a major backflip on his stance two years ago when he declared: "To limp on at Canberra Stadium is just not realistic."

ACT sport minister Yvette Berry told Fairfax Media on Wednesday the new stadium would be put on the backburner if the ACT Brumbies were axed from Super Rugby.

Barr said there was "no way" the stadium would be built if the Brumbies were cut from the competition given it would leave the Canberra Raiders as the capital's only professional sporting team.

But Barr threw another roadblock at the plans, saying Canberra needed an NRL, Super Rugby and A-League team before giving the project the green light.

It's a major blow to hopes of a new venue given Football Federation Australia has already said it would not expand into Canberra until the population reaches 1million.

Asked on Friday if a new stadium would be built if the Brumbies didn't exist, Barr said on ABC radio: "There's no way. I mean a new stadium really requires three teams to play out of it - Raiders, Brumbies and an A-League team in the summer to make it economically viable.

"If you're left with one team then, no, it's not viable at all. If the Brumbies no longer participate in Super Rugby and Canberra only has the Raiders as our only team then you would not build a brand new stadium to be used 11 times a year."

The FFA has ruled out expansion for the next two years and Canberra doesn't even have a bid to secure a licence.

The Central Coast Mariners played two A-League games in Canberra this season but it is unknown if they will return to the capital after crowds of just 5497 and 5072.

In 2014, Barr proposed a 20,000-seat stadium with the ability to scale up to 30,000 to host larger events like concerts.

"It's got to be the complete package at sport now. It's a combination of ticket prices, food and drinks and the fan experience when you're up against television coverage," Barr said.

"How bad does it have to get before people don't turn up? I don't think anyone is surprised that on our cold, rainy nights that crowds drop. A stadium in the CBD is the way to go, it's not just Canberra. Look at everywhere else that choice has been made to go to the city and it has worked."

Canberra Stadium was opened in 1977 and is at the end of its lifespan, with the Mal Meninga stand fast approaching its 50-year used-by date.

Canberra Raiders boss Allan Hawke weighed into the argument, saying a new stadium would be "a dream come true" for his NRL club.

The Raiders are still negotiating the details of a high-performance centre at Northbourne Oval and Hawke believes crowd numbers would swell at a new stadium.

"We would love to have a new stadium in the city ... for us it would be a dream come true," Hawke said.

"It would make life easier for everyone. It would make access to the ground and surrounding facilities easier for members and fans and it would certainly fit well with what we're planning to do at Northbourne Oval."

Fairfax Media contacted Barr's team on Friday but were told he was not available for comment and they did not know when he would next be free.

 

[El Diablo]

Fairfax Media contacted Barr's team on Friday but were told he was not available for comment and they did not know when he would next be free.

when he gets back from Melbourne after rorting tax payers again http://www.canberratimes.com.au/act...-on-taxpayerfunded-trips-20170113-gtr5bm.html

 

[The Great Dane]

they get a 2.2 million annual grant from the govt
that covers all of their rent for Bruce & then some
perhaps thats what I was told
so ...they technically don't pay to play at Bruce

That grant is to cover up keep of Raiders HQ and any other publicly owned facilities that the Raiders use (not sure if they use any others any more), and also as a down payment for public events run by the Raiders such as school and hospital visits, the juniors skill camps, the Raiders camp holiday program, etc, it is not to cover rent.

If the government wanted to cover the Raiders rent then they'd simply waive the rent, or they'd charge them a much reduced rent like they do the Giants (or at least they used to do for the Giants).

if anything the Raiders could up the ante for a raise in their grant
the Midgets get approx 675K a game to play 3 comp games & 1 trial here

The $23 million dollars that the ACT gave the Giants (plus the lions share of sponsorship money from the naming rights of Manuka oval) isn't a grant, it's payment for the games, so even if GWS didn't get one fan through the gate they'd still make a reasonable profit for that game.

the Raiders get a 3rd of that approx per game
they have an argument to get the amount upped , If thats not possible ,,, then a very ,,, very good deal for the new stadium then. I don't think we'll get screwed , the Raiders won't allow that to happen at their expense
if they're not happy ... there won't be any stadium , multipurpose or otherwise
this isn't Sydney
the Govt has few options for tennents in the venue when it is built

You are massively overrating the Raiders pull with the ACT government.

If the Brumbies get cut then the Raiders will be expected to pay more rent to pick up the slack and make the stadium economically viable, if they can't or won't do that then the plans for the stadium will be changed to make it more economically viable.
Which could mean downsizing the stadium and/or removing the roof, which is unlikely because it'd be a bad outcome not only for the Raiders but the government as well as they wouldn't be able to use the stadium to attract bigger concerts and events to the ACT.
The much more likely option is that they'd make the stadium more versatile or multipurpose, so that they can attract more tenants (more AFL and cricket) to cover the costs that the Brumbies would have covered, which would be a disaster for the Raiders because they'd have a stadium in a great spot that is terrible to watch rugby league at.

So instead of getting AAMI park with a roof in Canberra, we'll get a slightly bigger Canberra stadium before they brought the seats in closer to the sidelines with a roof.

 

[The Great Dane]

when he gets back from Melbourne after rorting tax payers again http://www.canberratimes.com.au/act...-on-taxpayerfunded-trips-20170113-gtr5bm.html

Didn't know about this.

He's a real piece of sh!t, he's been pushing for a multipurpose stadium since it was first suggested that a new stadium be built, now he's just attempting to use the Brumbies situation as a way to force it through.
He's been using the city to lake BS (which includes the new stadium) to get elected for years as well.

The motherf##ker isn't even from Canberra either, which I think is dodgy considering that he is the chief minister for the ACT and yet doesn't represent her people in the most fundamental of ways.

 

[dangerousdave]

So instead of getting AAMI park with a roof in Canberra, we'll get a slightly bigger Canberra stadium before they brought the seats in closer to the sidelines with a roof.

After 18 years of multipurpose ANZ, just the thought makes my blood boil

 

[Hello, I'm The Doctor]

and Barr backflips http://www.canberratimes.com.au/spo...-stadium-in-canberra-cbd-20170324-gv5rpf.html

ACT chief minister Andrew Barr back flips on proposed stadium in Canberra CBD

• 
  Eamonn Tiernan

Plans for a new $350 million stadium in Civic appear doomed after ACT chief minister Andrew Barr revealed Canberra would need an A-League team to make the project viable.

The government continues to delay a decision on when or if the proposed stadium with a clear roof will be built as it foots the bill for the light rail project and Mr Fluffy clean-up.

But Barr's comments on Friday are a major backflip on his stance two years ago when he declared: "To limp on at Canberra Stadium is just not realistic."

ACT sport minister Yvette Berry told Fairfax Media on Wednesday the new stadium would be put on the backburner if the ACT Brumbies were axed from Super Rugby.

Barr said there was "no way" the stadium would be built if the Brumbies were cut from the competition given it would leave the Canberra Raiders as the capital's only professional sporting team.

But Barr threw another roadblock at the plans, saying Canberra needed an NRL, Super Rugby and A-League team before giving the project the green light.

It's a major blow to hopes of a new venue given Football Federation Australia has already said it would not expand into Canberra until the population reaches 1million.

Asked on Friday if a new stadium would be built if the Brumbies didn't exist, Barr said on ABC radio: "There's no way. I mean a new stadium really requires three teams to play out of it - Raiders, Brumbies and an A-League team in the summer to make it economically viable.

"If you're left with one team then, no, it's not viable at all. If the Brumbies no longer participate in Super Rugby and Canberra only has the Raiders as our only team then you would not build a brand new stadium to be used 11 times a year."

The FFA has ruled out expansion for the next two years and Canberra doesn't even have a bid to secure a licence.

The Central Coast Mariners played two A-League games in Canberra this season but it is unknown if they will return to the capital after crowds of just 5497 and 5072.

In 2014, Barr proposed a 20,000-seat stadium with the ability to scale up to 30,000 to host larger events like concerts.

"It's got to be the complete package at sport now. It's a combination of ticket prices, food and drinks and the fan experience when you're up against television coverage," Barr said.

"How bad does it have to get before people don't turn up? I don't think anyone is surprised that on our cold, rainy nights that crowds drop. A stadium in the CBD is the way to go, it's not just Canberra. Look at everywhere else that choice has been made to go to the city and it has worked."

Canberra Stadium was opened in 1977 and is at the end of its lifespan, with the Mal Meninga stand fast approaching its 50-year used-by date.

Canberra Raiders boss Allan Hawke weighed into the argument, saying a new stadium would be "a dream come true" for his NRL club.

The Raiders are still negotiating the details of a high-performance centre at Northbourne Oval and Hawke believes crowd numbers would swell at a new stadium.

"We would love to have a new stadium in the city ... for us it would be a dream come true," Hawke said.

"It would make life easier for everyone. It would make access to the ground and surrounding facilities easier for members and fans and it would certainly fit well with what we're planning to do at Northbourne Oval."

Fairfax Media contacted Barr's team on Friday but were told he was not available for comment and they did not know when he would next be free.

$20 says the "new offer" will be a multi-purpose stadium that the VFL can use as well. It is a coincidence that GWS would would get us to the magic number 3....

 

[GAZF]

Didn't know about this.

He's a real piece of sh!t, he's been pushing for a multipurpose stadium since it was first suggested that a new stadium be built, now he's just attempting to use the Brumbies situation as a way to force it through.
He's been using the city to lake BS (which includes the new stadium) to get elected for years as well.

The motherf##ker isn't even from Canberra either, which I think is dodgy considering that he is the chief minister for the ACT and yet doesn't represent her people in the most fundamental of ways.

Ten years ago, you'd laugh if you heard that we'd potentially be sharing a ground with am AFL team from Western Sydney. But with the goodwill and money from dickhead politcians, it could become a reality.

 

[taipan]

In summary Barr is nothing more than an obsessed fumble ball tragic, using his esteemed position to further the cause, and using the rectangular codes as a bargaining chip to eventually get what he wants.An all purpose stadium which would be more AFL friendly and non user friendly for the rectangular codes.Shades of ANZ stadium circa 2000 onwards Mark 2.

He's shown his true colours:Hawthorn,so the ACT taxpayers know where his loyalties lie.Another money grubby politician.

 

[Raiderdave]

it doesn't matter what the money given is called
a grant
money given to them
sponsorship

the Midgets get 2.3 Million annually
the Raiders 2.2 Million
The Brumbies get an amount too

anyway
looks like the stadium may not be built even if the Brumbies survive & certainly won't if they don't while Labor is in office down here.
Im certainly not over estimating the clout the Raiders , Barr hasn't forgotten the Raiders actively getting involved in the last election campaign to oust him last year , so there is some open hostility there.
The only way the Raiders can keep the pressure on the bumbleball twat , is to continue to be succesful on field , attract the fans , members & headlines , plus have a vocal CEO & Chairmen prepared to challenge the Govt in the local media & push our clubs & codes agenda down here. Then at the next election , again push to have the f**ker ousted & hopefully that will happen

 

[The Great Dane]

Ten years ago, you'd laugh if you heard that we'd potentially be sharing a ground with am AFL team from Western Sydney. But with the goodwill and money from dickhead politcians, it could become a reality.

Les McIntyre and David Grant would be turning in their graves with the knowledge that the Raiders are playing second fiddle to a club from Sydney that wears orange and black.

 

[taipan]

it doesn't matter what the money given is called
a grant
money given to them
sponsorship

the Midgets get 2.3 Million annually
the Raiders 2.2 Million
The Brumbies get an amount too

anyway
looks like the stadium may not be built even if the Brumbies survive & certainly won't if they don't while Labor is in office down here.
Im certainly not over estimating the clout the Raiders , Barr hasn't forgotten the Raiders actively getting involved in the last election campaign to oust him last year , so there is some open hostility there.
The only way the Raiders can keep the pressure on the bumbleball twat , is to continue to be succesful on field , attract the fans , members & headlines , plus have a vocal CEO & Chairmen prepared to challenge the Govt in the local media & push our clubs & codes agenda down here. Then at the next election , again push to have the f**ker ousted & hopefully that will happen

So the Gnats get $2.3m for what? 4 games, the Raiders $2.2m for 11/12 games .The Raiders have been there via main rugby league comps(NSWRL/SL/NRL for 35 years est,the Gnats about 4/5.

Yep this git Barr has his priorities right.How he's held his position is beyond me.

I've said it before and I'll say it again,if our esteemed rugby league H/O administrators over the decades,had got of their backsides and learnt how to lobby Govts,suburban grounds and main stadiums would be in a far better shape than now.

 

[Raiderdave]

we're also forgetting a multipurpose venue would be much more expensive to build then a purely rectangle one with retractable seating , plus it would need a bigger area to fit the fumbleball & cricket ovals in.
the proposed site is between the Parksway & Constitution avenue next to the CBD
there isn't enough space for a multipurpose venue there I'd of thought.

 

[The Great Dane]

it doesn't matter what the money given is called
a grant
money given to them
sponsorship

the Midgets get 2.3 Million annually
the Raiders 2.2 Million
The Brumbies get an amount too

It does matter how and under what circumstances that money is given because it makes a big difference to how it is expected that that money will be used.

anyway
looks like the stadium may not be built even if the Brumbies survive & certainly won't if they don't while Labor is in office down here.
Im certainly not over estimating the clout the Raiders , Barr hasn't forgotten the Raiders actively getting involved in the last election campaign to oust him last year , so there is some open hostility there.

And you'll notice that the Raiders and the other leagues clubs openly opposing him did f##k all to threaten his or Labours position.

The only way the Raiders can keep the pressure on the bumbleball twat , is to continue to be succesful on field , attract the fans , members & headlines , plus have a vocal CEO & Chairmen prepared to challenge the Govt in the local media & push our clubs & codes agenda down here. Then at the next election , again push to have the f**ker ousted & hopefully that will happen

Good luck with that.

Labour will never get the boot down here so long as the Liberals are so conservative on social issues and they maintain their policies to remove public service jobs from Canberra.

The only way that Labour gets the punt in the ACT anytime soon is if they majorly stuff up or a viable third option becomes available, personally I hope the later becomes true but lets not delve to deeply into politics and the false dichotomy that has been created by the political teams in this country.

 

[El Diablo]

In summary Barr is nothing more than an obsessed fumble ball tragic, using his esteemed position to further the cause, and using the rectangular codes as a bargaining chip to eventually get what he wants.An all purpose stadium which would be more AFL friendly and non user friendly for the rectangular codes.Shades of ANZ stadium circa 2000 onwards Mark 2.

He's shown his true colours:Hawthorn,so the ACT taxpayers know where his loyalties lie.Another money grubby politician.

he also planned to have an AFL GF event


the bloke is a crook

 

[taipan]

Does he have one for the NRL: Grand final?

 

[Raiderdave]

So the Gnats get $2.3m for what? 4 games, the Raiders $2.2m for 11/12 games .The Raiders have been there via main rugby league comps(NSWRL/SL/NRL for 35 years est,the Gnats about 4/5.

Yep this git Barr has his priorities right.How he's held his position is beyond me.

.

yeah
20 years of Labor & 3 more at least down here

Canberra is a Labor town through & through
& sometimes federal issues dont get separated from local ones
people see the federal liberals bashing Canberra & they don't forget when they vote locally
its stupid I know
But its what it is & we'll try again in 3 years to get rid of this very average Govt & I say that they're average not just because its leader has an AFL bias , theres a host of reasons why they're crap.

 

[El Diablo]

Does he have one for the NRL: Grand final?

no

 

[The Great Dane]

So the Gnats get $2.3m for what? 4 games, the Raiders $2.2m for 11/12 games .The Raiders have been there via main rugby league comps(NSWRL/SL/NRL for 35 years est,the Gnats about 4/5.

Yep this git Barr has his priorities right.How he's held his position is beyond me.

I've said it before and I'll say it again,if our esteemed rugby league H/O administrators over the decades,had got of their backsides and learnt how to lobby Govts,suburban grounds and main stadiums would be in a far better shape than now.

GWS actually get more then $2.3 million if you add in all the other concessions that they receive, but the really bad thing is that they don't come anywhere near providing a return for the investment, so the taxpayers lose millions on every game and they take their profit at our expense back to Sydney with them.

I mean sure the taxpayers almost definitely lose money on the Raiders and Brumbies, and every other Canberra based sports team, just as pretty much every sports team in the country costs the taxpayer, but at least those teams represent us and create jobs and spend that money in the ACT, the Giants do none of that.

Look I've got no problem whats so ever with an AFL team playing in Canberra (even if it isn't a Canberra based team so long as it's a fair deal, though obviously Canberra based would be better), but the Giants don't play in Canberra, they rip off the government because of a couple of sycophantic AFL fans in the government that then let them rape the economy and ride off into the sunset, all to prop up a club that has no intention of investing in Canberra long term.
And we all know that once their ten year deal is up they'll either demand more money while giving us less in return or leave, and that the government will sign another terrible deal with another AFL club after they have left.

 

[Iafeta]

A crooked politician lying? Well I never....

 

[The Great Dane]

yeah
20 years of Labor & 3 more at least down here

Canberra is a Labor town through & through
& sometimes federal issues dont get separated from local ones
people see the federal liberals bashing Canberra & they don't forget when they vote locally
its stupid I know
But its what it is & we'll try again in 3 years to get rid of this very average Govt & I say that they're average not just because its leader has an AFL bias , theres a host of reasons why they're crap.

Don't get me wrong cause Labour is crap, but the Liberals are just as bad.

It really is a choice between a fresh turd and an old dry turd.