Western Reds/Perth

[BuffaloRules]

Like the Auckland Warriors, the Reds had a shit deal having to pay for flights for visiting teams which they didn't need to do in SL.

If both clubs weren't forced with such a burden they may have stayed with ARL

The Reds offered to pay all the travel costs as part of their bid proposal to join the ARL....

If they never proposed this than they may have never been admitted in the first place ( Only one of Perth, Crushers or Cowboys were supposed to join the Warriors in being admitted, but the ARL was so impressed with all the bids that the three of them were all accepted)...

You cant really propose to do something, than whinge when you have to do it....

 

[BuffaloRules]

Perth Red, I agree that the sport needs to expand but your deathriding of Sydney based sides is tiresome and doesn't help your cause. You constantly refer to the AFL in your arguments but I don't see them culling Melbourne sides left, right and centre.

Just give the Sydney side bashing a break and more people will be on board with what your saying and your expansion viewpoint

It is the flaw in his argument......

His beloved AFL has such a stranglehold on Melbourne yet they still spend many more millions each year propping up their weak teams than the NRL does in Sydney...

The AFL seems determined not to give any other code a sniff around disenchanted Melbourne fans who have had their team cut....

I suspect that if he got his team in Perth, he wouldn't care less if there were 15 teams in Sydney.. Provides good whinging fodder for him in the meantime though...

 

[The Mad Hatter]

The ARL money in the bank was proposed to be used to build Stadium Australia for the Olympics, and afterwards, be run and owned by RL.

Instead, it went in to the pockets of Phil Gould, Paul Harrogan, Brad Fittler, Andrew Johns...as highly inflated salaries.

Such a shame really.

 

[Perth Red]

It is the flaw in his argument......

His beloved AFL has such a stranglehold on Melbourne yet they still spend many more millions each year propping up their weak teams than the NRL does in Sydney...

The AFL seems determined not to give any other code a sniff around disenchanted Melbourne fans who have had their team cut....

I suspect that if he got his team in Perth, he wouldn't care less if there were 15 teams in Sydney.. Provides good whinging fodder for him in the meantime though...

There are too many sides in Sydney and Melbourne for respective codes to ever hope to see them all thriving and sustainable in the modern sports business world. Both codes answer is just to keep throwing more and more centralised money at them in the hope they come good when in reality some of them are falling further and further behind.

At least in afl they havent let this get in the way of expanding the comp to look something like national, unlike nrl which uses it as a reason not to expand.

 

[BuffaloRules]

There are too many sides in Sydney and Melbourne for respective codes to ever hope to see them all thriving and sustainable in the modern sports business world. Both codes answer is just to keep throwing more and more centralised money at them in the hope they come good when in reality some of them are falling further and further behind.

So why do they both do it then?

You think the AFL do a lot of things right... they seem determined to maintain every last club in Melbourne at the costs of tens of millions of extra money each year... They must think the negatives of losing a club outweighs all this expense...

At least in afl they havent let this get in the way of expanding the comp to look something like national, unlike nrl which uses it as a reason not to expand

I think the NRL should have expanded by now.. However the AFL have always had hundreds of millions of extra TV dollars to help them do it...

But then they weren't 50% owned for years by a media company paying unders in an era of ballooning TV rights deals though.

 

[Perth Red]

Re afl
, probably because they have got away with being able to.mthe other clubs have agreed to variable grants and ticket taxes and taxes on the profitablemclubs which has meant the afl hasn't had to make the hard decision of expansion or consolidation. It would be interesting to se if the clubs were as much self serving as nrl clubs if they would let some of the strugglers fall over, but then again they hva etheir national footprint and nine games to sell so they may consider that they can't
Replace a Melbourne club with anyone else at this time.They tried desperately to entice relocation out of melbourne.

True but we are now about to enter into the second big $ nrl tv deal and have had indpendent ownership for a while and still no signs they have any intentions.

But all this is for the expansion thread

 

[taipan]

Just to recap.St George owe the NRL $6m.About up to $25-30m worth of 2 NRL owned clubs to be sold..West Tigers to repay monies to the NRL.
This is money that is not in the code's kitty now ,which could be used for various necessary issues.

It was noted on one of the Sport's shows, that due to ratings down on FTA.In addition elsewhere FTA stations will have ordinary results this financial year.Future growth in TV funding is not a lay down.We only have to look at Sky NZ monies which I understand showed little growth over the prior deal.
Then we've got the gambling advertising on TV when kids are watching.They want to cut that back.That in turn then reduces TV contract values.

If clubs are unable to handle the grant monies plus the 30% and are incapable of marketing and growing their membership base, and ask for assistance, then the argument for relocation is a chance.
The NRL is not going to relocate any club if they can keep their head above water.To do so would be perilous, something PR doesn't give a stuff about.
The A League expanded and got their fingers burnt, ditto union, and the AFL have spent hundreds of millions and still can't crack the Nth TV markets.

 

[Perth Red]

Lol, new WA govt seems to love RL!

The WA Government has praised the NRL while taking a swipe at the ARU, questioning their decision to shrink rugby at a time when other codes are looking to build.

Either the Perth-based Western Force or the Melbourne Rebels will be axed ahead of next year's Super Rugby competition.

The WA Government are angry at the prospect the Force could be cut, especially after the previous leadership invested in a redevelopment of nib Stadium several years ago.

If the Force are cut, it would leave Perth Glory as the only major sporting tenants of the stadium.

Rugby League is doing its best to maintain a strong presence in Perth.

Two NRL games will be played at nib Stadium this year, as well as two World Cup fixtures.

And the new 60,000-seat Perth Stadium will host a State of Origin game in 2019.

WA Minister for Sport and Recreation Mick Murray praised the NRL for continuing to promote rugby league in WA.

"You're showing the lead by trying to expand your sport, whereas the other one is shrinking their sport," Mr Murray said in a thinly-veiled swipe at the ARU.

"I think it's a major feather in the cap of rugby league by being out there promoting their own game and trying to expand it.

"If we weren't committed to rugby league and other codes as well, we wouldn't have put money into a stadium such as this.

"That's what makes it special - people actually follow up and come through and are trying to expand our sport (of NRL).

"Probably disappointing in another code (the ARU) that's not doing that, or talking about not doing that."

http://www.sbs.com.au/news/article/2017/05/01/wa-govt-slams-aru-shrinking-rugby

 

[Eion]

Perth would probably get some support in here if Perth Red wasn't such a knob.

 

[The Mad Hatter]

WA Govt could always fund their team too.

 

[Perth Red]

They could just transfer the $1.5mill sponsorship to us.

 

[meltiger]

So why do they both do it then?

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Half the countries population lives in the two cities in question. Whether the likes of OR like it or not it's where the viewers are.

But the two codes are different. Look at the two JV clubs and the situation they got themselves into over the last couple of years. Both are popular enough that they should be powerhouses. I won't comment on Saints but the WT have been cruelled by the same mismanagement that the two foundation clubs suffered from and pissing matches between the two clubs who refuse to genuinely buy into 'one club'

Sydney HAS rationalised, & the remaining clubs can damn we'll survive if managed well.

The Melbourne clubs who struggle in the other hand are the smaller, minnow clubs who will simply never get themselves genuinely profitable.

The AFL has been lucky the Vic government hasn't gone after pokies the way the NSW did. There would be some pretty powerful Melbourne clubs in a world of shit if the late 90s / early 00s NSW pokie tax policies were replicated down here.

The AFL and its clubs aren't in as great a position as they like to pretend. They have just been better managed over the last 25 years. Simple as that.

It's not a gap RL can't close if all arms of the game actually work together.

The topic of this thread perfect example. They have stuck by their expansion clubs through every issue. We killed the Reds in what had to have been the most short sighted and stupid decision the game has made post 97

 

[Perth Red]

An interesting article from back in the day showing SL offered the WARL $500k a year funding to switch. That would have been a massive amount back then when the game here was run on smell of an oily rag. Interesting model as well for the games development in Perth.

 

[King hit]

I'm currently reading Andrew Johns's autobiography and when he was starting out at the Knights he was offered to play for the Reds. He turned it down without a second thought.

 

[POPEYE]

I'm currently reading Andrew Johns's autobiography and when he was starting out at the Knights he was offered to play for the Reds. He turned it down without a second thought.

Luckily he stayed with Newcastle . . . makes you wonder why he didn't go . . . where for instance

 

[Bloke]

Luckily he stayed with Newcastle . . . makes you wonder why he didn't go . . . where for instance

In hindsight, Joey and the Perth “culture” were a match made in heaven. He, Cousins and Kerr would/could have been besties.

 

[flippikat]

There are too many sides in Sydney and Melbourne for respective codes to ever hope to see them all thriving and sustainable in the modern sports business world. Both codes answer is just to keep throwing more and more centralised money at them in the hope they come good when in reality some of them are falling further and further behind.

At least in afl they havent let this get in the way of expanding the comp to look something like national, unlike nrl which uses it as a reason not to expand.

This basically sums it up perfectly.

Ever since the NRL Commission was formed, the line has been "we want to strengthen the finances of existing clubs, therefore we can't look at expansion right now". The AFL has clearly shown that expansion DOESN'T have to wait for this.

Yes it means there's going to be some weak teams - especially in an oversaturated market - but the AFL approach is to consider expansion teams as "market growers", that bring in more money - some of which can be used to subsidise the minnows.

 

[Pedge1971]

In hindsight, Joey and the Perth “culture” were a match made in heaven. He, Cousins and Kerr would/could have been besties.

That happens and there is no Perth. Town is trashed.

 

[Suitman]

I'm currently reading Andrew Johns's autobiography and when he was starting out at the Knights he was offered to play for the Reds. He turned it down without a second thought.

So f**king what?
Just another half arsed shot at Perth Red.