Western Reds/Perth

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  1. The Great Dane

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    Very true.

    I don't know about this, maybe it is partly true but for the clubs and their fans that did come across to SL they didn't really lose any of their tradition (apart from their names, badges/logos and old uniforms).

    IMO the lack of fan support was more to do with the fact that most of the clubs that News manged to get to jump across were smaller clubs, News thought that if they bought out all the best players and most successful teams at the time, that all the casual fans (not fans like us that are highly fanatical) would abandon their preferred team in favor of supporting one of the more successful clubs full of all the superstars at the time.

    Obviously this wasn't the case, casual fans continued to follow their preferred teams and didn't swap to one of the more popular teams just because Laurie Daley, Alfie Langer or ET was playing for them, thus News's plan fell apart as they severely miss judged the priorities of the fans.

    Their plan might have worked better if they just went after all the best players and not the clubs, had they of cherry picked all the best player in the ARL, established a new competition with new clubs and evenly spread those stars out among these new clubs they would have left the ARL without any of their big names, potentially had a much more competitive competition then the ARL and not given the fans any reason not to pickup one of their new teams along with their old one until the ARL was overwhelmed.

    Of course this is all just speculation and I could be completely wrong.

    You have to remember that both the Mariners and the Rams weren't originally planned and were both thrown together as quickly as possible after the Knights, bears and Dragons all refused News's offers. Though I agree that once it was obvious that the Knights and their players weren't going to switch allegiances that they should have given up on Newcastle and looked to somewhere else to setup a team.

    You also have to remember that at the time Melbourne was seen as an impossible market for RL to crack, similar to how Adelaide is seen now. So even if there was no reason for it the idea of a club in Melbourne was seen as insane and doomed to fail at the time. At the time I thought that if we gave it a fair go that there was no reason why the people of Melbourne wouldn't come around to support a team eventually, just as I think the same of the situation in Adelaide at the moment, though I would never setup a team in Adelaide like they did the Storm in Melbourne without any grassroots support, IMO they were very lucky that the Storm were as success as they were as quickly as they were otherwise things probably would have gone very differently.

    It would have helped to have a larger number of fans starting out, but otherwise this was pretty much their Idea except with the most fashionable clubs of the time instead of the largest, their original plan was Bulldogs for the west, Bears for the north and Sharks for the South. Of course after the Bears wouldn't jump their next port of call was the Dragons which broke that original idea of north, south and west and also fell through, then they had run out of time and quickly threw together the Rams to make up the numbers.

    They didn't see this as a big set back because they had planned Adelaide to be one of the first two places that they would expand to (the other being presumably Melbourne), and just readjusted their plan to pickup the Bears later on as an expansion team when the SL was the enormous success that they envisioned it to be.

    It's also interesting to note that (as far as I know) the Rabbitohs were only club to actually make serious inquires about joining the the SL (unless you count the Broncos) and were not like the other clubs who were first contacted by News to see if they were interested. Though News did (repetitively) turn them down for whatever reasons (rumor has it because they saw the Rabbits as a symbol of everything they were trying to change and a doomed club) it is interesting none the less.

    It's Most likely that Rabbits saw all of the money that was getting thrown at the SL clubs and saw SL as a way to get some cash into the coffers and save themselves, as they were another club like the Raiders, Sharks, etc that was knocking on heavens doors.
     
  2. dimitri

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    Some people have stated incorrect info on here about Adelaide/Melbourne.

    From all the historic articles and books I've read, Melbourne was definitely the preference of SL. However because the VRL was completely loyal to the ARL And the SA politicians were much more forthcoming with support, in the very short turnaround they had to out a club together it was decided Adelaide would be the preferred option, with Melbourne a certainty in the future once the previously mentioned obstacles were overcome
     
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  3. Diesel

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    Both SL and ARL had plans for a Melbourne team. The ARL should've really had things in place when they trailled Balmain and Cronulla home games in the early 90's. I even remember reading several articles of either one of those two teams relocating to Victoria
     
  4. beave

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    Balmain played the Broncos at Carltons ground on a saturday arvo (was on the ABC)in 1994 from memory, I think it was the first year Brisbane had Traveland as their main sponsor, so it must have been 1994. Renouf carved up.

    The 2 original names thrown around for a Melbourne team back then were 'Monarchs' and 'Mavericks'. Not sure if either of those really work, I think they went with the better mascot/logo in the end.
     
  5. Diesel

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    I don't remember Monarchs but it could've worked with the state being named after Queen Victoria, just like a Queensland team should be called the Queensland Kings.

    I remember the Mavericks name and they were very close to going with that moniker with a gunslinging cowboy but it may have been very close to a future design for NQ

    Perth was going to be called the Pumas and IMO the Reds name suited much better.

    I don't understand why clubs pay consulting companies mega bucks to come up with names that don't really suit when they should've engaged with the locals/fans for their opinion. A few examples;

    The Cowboys name is suited more for an American team, NQ would've been better off with a Bushranger/Stockman/Bull name or logo
    Broncos name was taken from Denver Broncos after a fact finding mission in the US, there are many names this club could've taken that were more Australian, even Brumby
    Titans? Not sure what that has to do with the GC but someone might be able to tell me because I have NFI
    The Storm were advised to add gold/purple to their strip to help them sell more jerseys
     
  6. Canard

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    Thank f**k LU isn't take with deriving team names.

    Queensland Kings would be one of the worst, if not the worst names in professional sports.

    Id rate it worse than the New Orleans Pelicans.
     
  7. kdalymc

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    I have the last super league magazine (season wrap up) and it talks about their new franchise for next year, the melbourne storm. So yeah as far as I'm concerned they are /were a super league and not arl team.

    Cowboys is a perfect name. Go to a rodeo- they're call cowboys...
    Titans is pretty "un location-like" but when's the last time you seen a tiger in balmain, or a Viking in Canberra...
     
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  8. andrew057

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    Pelicans is a great name.
     
  9. Diesel

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    Ok, maybe not
    Queensland Kings is not the best example I could use
     
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  10. Diesel

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    Maybe not a Tiger but there's plenty of cougars in Balmain
     
  11. Nuke

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    I remember the potential Melbourne team had the name pencilled in as being Melbourne Mavericks, as the casino was keen to be on board as sponsor and this would have tied in with the team. Same as the Newcastle Falcons basketball team. They were sponsored by a Ford dealership in Newcastle when they started the NBL.

    I also remember the newspaper poll in 1993 here in WA asking readers to vote for their preferred name for the newly-announced Perth NSWRL team. Pumas was the favourite at the time. I think it was a list of about 10 possibilities, but I was only 12 at the time, so I can't remember what the other options were.
     
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    That's not quite accurate. News did make significant attempts to lure Manly and the Roosters across. They knew that if one or both of these clubs made the move, the ARL would fall over and the war would be won.
     
  13. Loudstrat

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    The deal meant that all regional SL clubs were guaranteed entry (after SL punted Perth and Adelaide and the ARL closed the Gold Coast down). Then the stupid riteria came in - and with a $30 million News Ltd handout, Cronulla, Penrith and Catnerbury were going nowhere.

    Norths were f*cked over by the NRL. Told they would be included as a regional team, so they put everything on the line to build the Gosford stadium. - only to be told that they would be lasses as a regional club.
     
  14. dimitri

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    From what I read, Melbourne was going to be monarchs, and Adelaide was going to be aces, because of an association with the local casino.

    I hadn't really heard much about the mavericks.

    Definitely remember pumas being the preferred option for Perth, until the change to Reds
     
  15. Nuke

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    I think you're right, actually. Adelaide Aces rings a bell, with the casino sponsorship reference in their name. I stand corrected. Cheers Dimitri.
     
  16. The Great Dane

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    I've found a couple of very interesting relics of what could have been.

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    http://www.ipaustralia.com.au/applicant/rugby-league-south-australia-pty-ltd/trademarks/674876/

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    http://www.ipaustralia.com.au/applicant/valimanda-pty-ltd/trademarks/738332/

    Unfortunatly the Mavericks logo isn't very clear, but it turns out that the Aces was actually a reference to ace pilots and not to casinos, which is actually pretty cool I think.

    I know that this one is around the place but I'll put it up here for people that haven't seen it anyway.

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    http://www.ipaustralia.com.au/applicant/western-australian-rugby-league-inc/trademarks/558649/
     
  17. Diesel

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    Mavericks name was pretty shit, I prefer the Storm moniker.

    I remember around 1995/96 there was an article about an Adelaide team possibility joining the then-ARL comp in 1998 as the Aces but it depicted 4 playing cards with the Ace of Spades, Clubs, Diamonds and Hearts. I didn't think of having a WW2 plane but I like it.

    The Perth Pumas, while a good concept, the Reds was better. Pumas logo and name was very similar to Penrith's
     
  18. magpie4ever

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    I'm sure before the end of the war the ARL was proposing a team in Melbourne called the Monarchs.

    That Maverick badge looks very gay to me.
     
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  20. beave

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    See I remember the original propoosed Melbourne Mavericks logo being a hand of cards with an ace of something being slightly front and centre, playing on the cowboy partaking in a poker tourney??? I think that Mel Gibson movie of the same name was out around that time.

    But it makes more sense that logo being associated with an Adelaide Aces team......... There has been a few bourbons under the bridge in the time between so a few memory cells are admittedly missing.......
     

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