Politics and Shit

[HowHigh]

My bad, I've turned this thread into Four Corners.

 

[whall15]

and the tax system we have in place doesn't already do this? people earning more already pay a higher % of tax, not just purely more $ based on the same % applied to higher income as lower income..

plus you add in the recent private health rebate changes last year which also have an impact on those earning more and it's a double whammy on those earning more..

and in all honesty (and i'm going to get flamed for this, but i don't care) an $80k salary really isn't that much if you are the sole income earner for a family...

you want to look at a way to save $$ and fix the economy through making housing more affordable?

target negative gearing on property...

Your first point is correct both in the sense that is the system we have and that is the system that any civilised society should have.

On a personal level I believe that everyone should be part of the public system so I have no objection to that.

80k/year is plenty of money.

I agree with you on negative gearing.

And on a general point I'm of the view that we should guarantee a minimum standard of living and therefore taking money away from lower-income earners through additional taxes is counter-productive.

 

[afinalsin666]

Politics, fun.

My politics:

Don't be a f**kwit, give us gay marriage.
Don't be a f**kwit, give me fast internet.
Don't be a f**kwit, don't charge me for medicine.
Don't be a f**kwit, don't be a f**kwit to immigrants/refugees.


I am a simple man.

 

[muzby]

 

[BunniesMan]

I dislike Abbott as much as any normal person, but the thing is the debt tax itself isn't a bad idea.

While our debt levels are not bad (despite what people conned by Abbott think) our deficit is a problem. We need to get on top of that and our rich pay some of the lowest income taxes in the OECD.

The problem isn't the tax, the problem is how this makes Abbott the worlds biggest hypocrite. Every day for 3 years he bags Labor for the Carbon Tax. He talks about not taxing our way to prosperity, about no new taxes, about lowering taxes, and then months into his 1st term he goes back on the basic principles he drilled into us about what he supposedly stands for.

Don't waste money on planes that won't ever stop a serious invasion. Don't waste money on a luxury like expensive PPL when the basic one we have now is enough in our budget situation. Don't get rid of the carbon tax when it was an effective and economically responsible way of doing a critical job.

And most importantly, don't spend 3 years of your life demonising taxes when we're one of the least taxed countries in the OECD only to realise taxes aren't so bad when you're in power.

and the tax system we have in place doesn't already do this? people earning more already pay a higher % of tax, not just purely more $ based on the same % applied to higher income as lower income..

plus you add in the recent private health rebate changes last year which also have an impact on those earning more and it's a double whammy on those earning more..

and in all honesty (and i'm going to get flamed for this, but i don't care) an $80k salary really isn't that much if you are the sole income earner for a family...

you want to look at a way to save $$ and fix the economy through making housing more affordable?

target negative gearing on property...

Getting rid of negative gearing is one important step. So would counting homes as part of the asset test for getting a pension. People worth 7 figures should not be getting a pension. You'd be getting more sellers which would bring prices down and lock out less people.

 

[umina panther]

Politics, fun.

My politics:

Don't be a f**kwit, give us gay marriage.
Don't be a f**kwit, give me fast internet.
Don't be a f**kwit, don't charge me for medicine.
Don't be a f**kwit, don't be a f**kwit to immigrants/refugees.


I am a simple man.

Nailed it.


And lol @ people who think theirs a difference between Australia's two political parties

 

[whall15]

Nailed it.


And lol @ people who think theirs a difference between Australia's two political parties

Two sides of the same coin really.

 

[Drew-Sta]

I only have one left and she'll be right

Not everyones will be. Mine wasn't.

and in all honesty (and i'm going to get flamed for this, but i don't care) an $80k salary really isn't that much if you are the sole income earner for a family...

Agree. Wife and I could survive on my wage which isn't much more than that, but we would put zero in the bank at the end of the month.

you want to look at a way to save $$ and fix the economy through making housing more affordable? [/QUOTE]

Agree. Major step to improving livability in Sydney is fixing housing prices.

80k/year is plenty of money.

Its not.

Health insurance is $270 a month, cars are $140 a month (we both need them for travel to work), internet is $80, mobiles are $140, rent is $1800, fuel is about $250, food is probably $500 - $700, Eelctricity is $150 a month - that equates to $3500ish. $80k a year is about $4200 a month. So you've got $700 a month to 'play' with on things like clothes, additional unforseen expenses, entertainment and the like.

You got nothing to put in the bank as savings afterwards. Its shit. And we don't live an extravagent lifestyle either. We have no TV, we have small, older cars, we have no expensive hobbies etc...

With a kid, that $700 gets sucked out pretty quickly.

 

[Drew-Sta]

My bad, I've turned this thread into Four Corners.

No, its good discussion We don't have the idiots in here like we do the 4C.

And lol @ people who think theirs a difference between Australia's two political parties

Two sides of the same coin really.

Agree.

 

[Drew-Sta]

I dislike Abbott as much as any normal person, but the thing is the debt tax itself isn't a bad idea.

While our debt levels are not bad (despite what people conned by Abbott think) our deficit is a problem. We need to get on top of that and our rich pay some of the lowest income taxes in the OECD.

The problem isn't the tax, the problem is how this makes Abbott the worlds biggest hypocrite. Every day for 3 years he bags Labor for the Carbon Tax. He talks about not taxing our way to prosperity, about no new taxes, about lowering taxes, and then months into his 1st term he goes back on the basic principles he drilled into us about what he supposedly stands for.

Don't waste money on planes that won't ever stop a serious invasion. Don't waste money on a luxury like expensive PPL when the basic one we have now is enough in our budget situation. Don't get rid of the carbon tax when it was an effective and economically responsible way of doing a critical job.

And most importantly, don't spend 3 years of your life demonising taxes when we're one of the least taxed countries in the OECD only to realise taxes aren't so bad when you're n power.

Say what you will about Hoppity but he's close to the money on this.

 

[HowHigh]

Say what you will about Hoppity but he's close to the money on this.

On a topic I don't know much about I just lean towards disagreeing with everything he says.

 

[Twizzle]

My bad, I've turned this thread into Four Corners.

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Just saw on the news update, Abbott in the shit from his own party saying he has gone too far

cant see this bloke lasting too long, way too many changes way too quick

 

[afinalsin666]

Its not.

Health insurance is $270 a month, cars are $140 a month (we both need them for travel to work), internet is $80, mobiles are $140, rent is $1800, fuel is about $250, food is probably $500 - $700, Eelctricity is $150 a month - that equates to $3500ish. $80k a year is about $4200 a month. So you've got $700 a month to 'play' with on things like clothes, additional unforseen expenses, entertainment and the like.

You got nothing to put in the bank as savings afterwards. Its shit. And we don't live an extravagent lifestyle either. We have no TV, we have small, older cars, we have no expensive hobbies etc...

With a kid, that $700 gets sucked out pretty quickly.

That's the crazy thing with money. Growing up my parents were bringing in 35k between them. Shit was tight, but it was good, we could live on it with some creative saving. 80k would have been a dream come true because we were used to so little. And i'm sure you'd be f**ked trying to live at 35k. And your family would think that those who get 200k a year are set, but then that family has as many bills draining their income as you do, and as we do.

Standards of living are vastly different at different money levels. I honestly believe financial empathy is near impossible.

 

[Drew-Sta]

On a topic I don't know much about I just lean towards disagreeing with everything he says.

Usually a safe bet :lol:

FUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU


Just saw on the news update, Abbott in the shit from his own party saying he has gone too far

cant see this bloke lasting too long, way too many changes way too quick

http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/deficit-tax-tears-at-tony-abbotts-credibility-20140429-zr1as.html

Serves him right.

That's the crazy thing with money. Growing up my parents were bringing in 35k between them. Shit was tight, but it was good, we could live on it with some creative saving. 80k would have been a dream come true because we were used to so little. And i'm sure you'd be f**ked trying to live at 35k. And your family would think that those who get 200k a year are set, but then that family has as many bills draining their income as you do, and as we do.

Standards of living are vastly different at different money levels. I honestly believe financial empathy is near impossible.

There's some truth to this. The changes in cost of living are far different to yours and my parents day and the factors of where you live, how you live etc are so big that there is always going to be a unique 'situation' for your wage.

But from what I talk to people, my situation is very familiar to others and they've expressed a similar sentiment that what we get isn't so much 'enough' as it is 'hard' to get by.

 

[Scott Gourley's Lovechild]

FUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU


Just saw on the news update, Abbott in the shit from his own party saying he has gone too far

cant see this bloke lasting too long, way too many changes way too quick

It's all from the Right side of the Libs, doubt it would pose much of a threat.

 

[muzby]

There's some truth to this. The changes in cost of living are far different to yours and my parents day

my god yes.

the amount my parents paid for their first house was the amount i needed just for the deposit alone on my first house...

 

[beave]

The problem is the hypocrisy of him calling in a new tax to pay off the debt we've accrued while we go into debt purchasing fighter planes we don't actually need.

That's the issue. Not to mention the thousand other frustrating things he's done.

Our F-18's are coming up to 30 years old. They are in dire need of replacing.

 

[BunniesMan]

It's all from the Right side of the Libs, doubt it would pose much of a threat.

They're saying not a single Nationals senator will vote for PPL. They hate the idea of giving rich city mums tens of thousands when it does very little good for their voters. The odds of it getting through parliament are virtually nil.

Palmer is making noise about blocking Direct Action (and he should, it's a junk policy) and exploring carbon trading.

The debt tax (that I agree with) to the genuine small government lib backbenchers is the equivalent of asking them to eat dog shit.

There is a chance he can't get a single major policy through parliament this year. At some point an early election or a knifing because a serious possibility.

 

[BunniesMan]

Our F-18's are coming up to 30 years old. They are in dire need of replacing.

There is a middle ground. You don't need to go from a clunky Volvo to a Ferrari. Maybe you settle for a decent new Ford. Most european countries aren't touching the JSF. We don't have to go with this plane, and we don't have to buy that many.

In the end a small country building a military to try and take on a superpower is absolute madness. And if we're not trying to take on a superpower we don't need to buy more JSF than any other customer on the planet.

If we want to finish the asian century as an independent and free country a military buildup is not the way to go. Developing our economic and trade links with Asia is the way to go. In 2050 if China wants us they'll have us. The only way to stop that is not through fighting a war but convincing them having us as a friend is better than colonising us.

 

[Drew-Sta]

my god yes.

the amount my parents paid for their first house was the amount i needed just for the deposit alone on my first house...

Same. My folks first house was $65k. I nearly cried when I heard that...

Our F-18's are coming up to 30 years old. They are in dire need of replacing.

They're good enough for Top Gun, so they're good enough for us :sarcasm:

Stick it in the budget for public appraisal with a good report on why we need them, show a staged changeover and staggered payment (how about $12b per year for four and a half years and phase them in over that time), identify what we're going to do to pay for them etc etc.

I have no doubt the planes need replacing. Its the fact Tony is crying foul while he swipes the nations credit card for the new planes.