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Superthread LXXII - Honouring The White, Off White, Cream & Beige. :-(

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Misanthrope

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It's narrow minded, but not unnecessarily IMO. Profiling is genuinely useful in certain situations

That said, it's a narrow approach given terrorists are just as likely to come from, say, the Philippines, Indonesia, and the subcontinent...

Or caucasian middle America, Ireland, or Norway...
 

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Or caucasian middle America, Ireland, or Norway...

Not in an Australian context, but anyway.

The point is more that profiling in and of itself is simply a tool that people like you or I aren't trained to use. It's not racist or bigoted at all.
 

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Not in an Australian context, but anyway.

The point is more that profiling in and of itself is simply a tool that people like you or I aren't trained to use. It's not racist or bigoted at all.

Tell that to the dozens of vaguely 'Middle Eastern looking' people who get 'randomly picked' to be searched or scanned at airports.

It's not as big a problem here in Australia, thankfully, but it's a huge issue in the US.
 

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Tell that to the dozens of vaguely 'Middle Eastern looking' people who get 'randomly picked' to be searched or scanned at airports.

It's not as big a problem here in Australia, thankfully, but it's a huge issue in the US.

That's just the most basic profiling, because those involved are too stupid or too ill trained or both to get past the "Arab=terrorist" association. Or too racist, yes. That's not what Drew meant, I would have to assume, because that won't stop shit. Proper profiling happens at a higher level (FBI and serial killers, for example)

Arabic male, 18-40, Islamic fundamentalist leanings, recorded anti-western rhetoric, family killed in fighting in Mosul, history of violence, no return ticket, no baggage....that's more like profiling. And even that's simplistic. It's just a threat identification system, you can apply it to any situation and substitute any of those factors. Again, serial killers in the US being the other major example (they tend to be white males)
 

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That's just the most basic profiling, because those involved are too stupid or too ill trained or both to get past the "Arab=terrorist" association. Or too racist, yes. That's not what Drew meant, I would have to assume, because that won't stop shit. Proper profiling happens at a higher level (FBI and serial killers, for example)

Arabic male, 18-40, Islamic fundamentalist leanings, recorded anti-western rhetoric, family killed in fighting in Mosul, history of violence, no return ticket, no baggage....that's more like profiling. And even that's simplistic. It's just a threat identification system, you can apply it to any situation and substitute any of those factors. Again, serial killers in the US being the other major example (they tend to be white males)

If that's what Drew meant, then I apologise for misinterpreting him. I thought he was referring to the crack teams in our airport immigration departments who glance at us between yawns and bouts of self-loathing.
 

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If that's what Drew meant, then I apologise for misinterpreting him. I thought he was referring to the crack teams in our airport immigration departments who glance at us between yawns and bouts of self-loathing.

Those merkins ping me all of the time. I always get randomly searched, or waved at with the bomb wand. Even in China, flying domestically. The merkins made me take my shoes and socks off.
 

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Those merkins ping me all of the time. I always get randomly searched, or waved at with the bomb wand. Even in China, flying domestically. The merkins made me take my shoes and socks off.

The only time I've ever been singled out was when I returned from Tanzania at the height of the ebola scare. The idiots in immigration had to ask their supervisor if Tanzania was in one of the countries that had ebola.
 

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I've been bitten on the face by a fat Aussie girl, a German girl, and a Russian girl.

I was only into it with the latter.
 
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