D day for Parramatta

[Pete Cash]

The NSWRL could have certainly made a compelling case to take our premiership but decided against it because it was the first year of the salary cap. I think we were treated extremely lightly but one cant go back and time and change these things

We are in year 26 of the salary cap atm and Parra are going to cop an extremely light penalty relative to the last cap cheats. They should put pictures of Greenberg up in their houses and kiss it every day.

 

[Rhyno]

Haha the eels should be kissing the ground Greenberg walks on. Cheat the cap for years and he hit by a wet lettuce leaf as punishment.

Now give us our 12pts back because watmough hasn't played all year

 

[Walt Flanigan]

are they the only team that was caught cheating the salary cap when they won a premiership and still got to keep it?

Are Parramatta the only team to be caught cheating when they won the spoon and still got to keep them?

 

[Pete Cash]

Now give us our 12pts back because watmough hasn't played all year

Consider it punishment for cheating the last couple of years (I am not Todd Greenberg though)

I would have made you guys operate on a million dollar less in cap next year.

 

[Edwahu]

or they refuse to answer the question and pretend it never happened

are they the only team that was caught cheating the salary cap when they won a premiership and still got to keep it?

they have a long history of cheating http://www.smh.com.au/rugby-league/...raiders-plan-quick-appeal-20130705-2phgs.html

a team would have cheat the cap by $2,720,000 in 2016 to do the equivalent of what Canberra did in 1990

imagine the uproar if a team did that today and got to keep their premiership :crazy:

I'm not sure where that bloke got his numbers. They were 85k over on a cap of around 1.5 million. The equivelant would be more like 450k. It was also the first year of the cap and there was no systematic rorting. They got a big fine which almost sent them broke and lost a stack of players over the next year even after many players took pay cuts.

Ironically the Eels were 45k over that year as well.

 

[Pete Cash]

Clubs go over the cap by accident all the time. I am sure Parra have racked up plenty of accidental cap violations. A year with a lot of injuries or a bunch of under 20s playing first grade (and activating bonuses) will send a club over the cap more often than not. The NRL has a tiny second tier and under 20s cap so accidents happen.

Parra did not on accident cheat the cap here. It was years of systematic cheating in an attempt to build a competitive side. They are basically the same as the Melbourne Storm who got absolutely belted with penalties. Parra are getting off extremely light.

 

[Card Shark]

Yep....grade 5 intentional

 

[POPEYE]

so you're proud of cheaters?

There are a few vagaries in cheating but a wanker is a wanker

 

[Cloud]

So they were over the cap 5 of the last 6 years? And nothing was done about it?

And this year they bring in Jennings and Foran?

 

[Cloudsurfer]

Clubs go over the cap by accident all the time. I am sure Parra have racked up plenty of accidental cap violations. A year with a lot of injuries or a bunch of under 20s playing first grade (and activating bonuses) will send a club over the cap more often than not. The NRL has a tiny second tier and under 20s cap so accidents happen.

Parra did not on accident cheat the cap here. It was years of systematic cheating in an attempt to build a competitive side. They are basically the same as the Melbourne Storm who got absolutely belted with penalties. Parra are getting off extremely light.

This ^^^
But not only in the penallty stakes but also in the process ones.
What doesn't kill you makes you stronger

 

[Snappy]

Nice attempted deflection from El Derp

 

[Parra]

So they were over the cap 5 of the last 6 years? And nothing was done about it?

And this year they bring in Jennings and Foran?

Why have auditors when they miss everything anyway. It's only leaks that bring the Eels down. What happens at Parramatta is a good illustration of why clubs shoukd be run by dictators and not factional boards and people with agendas. Our only vendetta should be against other clubs, instead it is all internal.

Souths turned it around when they got their structure sorted and dropped the infighting.

TPA's by their name and nature are a problem. None of this would see the light of day without internal politics. It does not surface at other clubs for this very reason.

Makes Greenberg's smugness all that less tolerable.

 

[Scaven]

OK can someone explain the following 2 things?

Apparently Foran is chasing $140k from Manly for unpaid TPA's, when TPA's are not allowed to be guaranteed by the club. How is this even possible, shouldn't he be chasing the 3rd party?

Secondly how can Watmough's salary be taken out of the cap when his knees have been shot for years and this is an existing injury that Parra would have known about prior to signing him and getting insurance for him?

 

[The Marshall]

Did anyone else find it very suspect last night when Watmough was talking to the grub Weildler and he said that he would do 'whats best for the team and retire". To me that indicates he is choosing to retire and not forced into retirement due to the knee injury.

 

[LESStar58]

I had a discussion with a Raiders fan at AAMI in 2012 about the Raiders salary cap. What was their punishment again? I think they just had to repay the value of the breach?

 

[Edwahu]

I had a discussion with a Raiders fan at AAMI in 2012 about the Raiders salary cap. What was their punishment again? I think they just had to repay the value of the breach?

They also had their cap reduced by 200k. I believe the fine wouldve been larger but the club was basically bankrupt already.

 

[KeepingTheFaith]

Did anyone else find it very suspect last night when Watmough was talking to the grub Weildler and he said that he would do 'whats best for the team and retire". To me that indicates he is choosing to retire and not forced into retirement due to the knee injury.

The NRL don't want the Eels to suffer long term. They've made it highly unlikely that the Eels will make the 8 this year and provided their cap complient next year that's all that matters to them IMO.

I think the NRL will backdate Watmough, allow him to retire and find a way for him to get a pay out etc to help the Eels.

The Eels had to be punished this year no doubt, but I think the NRL don't want to set them back further by forcing them to get rid of players who have helped turn the team around on the field.

 

[Joshuatheeel]

Clubs go over the cap by accident all the time. I am sure Parra have racked up plenty of accidental cap violations. A year with a lot of injuries or a bunch of under 20s playing first grade (and activating bonuses) will send a club over the cap more often than not. The NRL has a tiny second tier and under 20s cap so accidents happen.

Parra did not on accident cheat the cap here. It was years of systematic cheating in an attempt to build a competitive side. They are basically the same as the Melbourne Storm who got absolutely belted with penalties. Parra are getting off extremely light.

Storm were $1million over the cap on a $4million cap, in addition players were signing two contracts.

Eels are at this stage $570k over ( which is not yet finalised) on a $6.7m cap due to TPA's being added back.

I agree no side should cheat and if they do they deserved to be punished. But the eels matter isn't in the Storm class just yet.

And on the TPA's, the total amount we current have is under $1million probably a lot less ( and yes we probably didn't follow the correct processes, so deserve to be punished!!) however the Broncos have around probably $2million worth ( and not saying they are cheating).

Such unbalance between clubs puts pressure on clubs to "get around" the rules.

But yes we deserved to be punished if we cheated!!

 

[Parra]

The hypocrisy of the NRL telling the court that they haven't had enough time to put a response together.

 

[Captain Apollo]

The NSWRL could have certainly made a compelling case to take our premiership but decided against it because it was the first year of the salary cap. I think we were treated extremely lightly but one cant go back and time and change these things

We are in year 26 of the salary cap atm and Parra are going to cop an extremely light penalty relative to the last cap cheats. They should put pictures of Greenberg up in their houses and kiss it every day.

Also, yes Canberra did get to keep their Premiership. However at the end of 1991 they were forced to shed players. They lost Glenn Lazarus and Brent Todd, their starting props, David Barnhill, Nigel Gaffey and Paul Martin to name a few. They went from being grand finalists in 1991 to 12th in 1992 due to the loss of those players, especially Todd and Lazarus.

As to Parramatta in 2016, their problems stem from the "dead money" they have been carrying on their salary cap from the players they are still paying following Ricky Stuart's infamous clean out of 2013. It was this money taking up cap space that lead to the "bright" idea to manufacture some bogus Third Party Agreements to get this space back.