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Rumoured and Confirmed signings - Part 4

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mxlegend99

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Gus doesn't give a shit? That is a ridiculous thing to say about a man who has captained our team, coached it to a premiership and returned to help rebuild the club. He has made mistakes and he isn't the messiah, but it is obvious he cares greatly about the club.

EDIT: I won't dispute he has an ego. You need that and a thick skin to be in the public eye.
I think he cares more about himself than the club. That his ego is too great to admit when he's wrong and that he would double down on a bad decision at the risk of the club before admitting it was a bad decision.

Saying Gus never cared at all was using the same bullshit line martieland used about Moylan never caring at all. Both obviously care/cared about the club. This is just an ugly breakup. Love turns to hate pretty easily... doesnt mean they never cared.
 

mxlegend99

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Do you think the club wanted to have to go change the marketing promo? Why would they put Moylan on there if they didn't want him to stay?
On top of that how many coaches come to have lunch with Gus to get a player?

Not everything is black and white. Gus shouldn't of said he was staying until he actually was. What sort of a captain goes on leave during the finals? So clearly he wanted out
I find it hard to believe the media knew more than Gus.

No matter what was said publicly. The media were 100% convinced of it from a couple of months ago. If they knew. Gus knew before them.

He had to be involved in negotiations for it to happen. Moylan can want out. Sharks can want him. But that doesnt mean shit without Gus agreeing to anything.

The swap doesnt just happen overnight. The media knew it a long time ago. Gus would have known it was the likely outcome even if he didnt want it to be.
 

Abacus

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I find it hard to believe the media knew more than Gus.

No matter what was said publicly. The media were 100% convinced of it from a couple of months ago. If they knew. Gus knew before them.

He had to be involved in negotiations for it to happen. Moylan can want out. Sharks can want him. But that doesnt mean shit without Gus agreeing to anything.

The swap doesnt just happen overnight. The media knew it a long time ago. Gus would have known it was the likely outcome even if he didnt want it to be.
http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/sp...l/news-story/ca568ffa231f33b5de3f6e519531dd5c
Maybe Gus didn't lie to you - unless Flanagan is in on it and lying to you too?
 

Abacus

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http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/sp...l/news-story/ca568ffa231f33b5de3f6e519531dd5c
Maybe Gus didn't lie to you - unless Flanagan is in on it and lying to you too?
How Phil Gould and Shane Flanagan brokered Moylan, Maloney swap deal
DAVID RICCIO, The Daily Telegraph
35 minutes ago
Subscriber only
FOR more than 12 months, Phil Gould and Shane Flanagan have exchanged more verbal hand grenades than handshakes.

Yet in the space of just two hours, the one-time sparring partners sat inside the Woollahra lounge room of their mutual manager, veteran agent Wayne Beavis, to orchestrate the richest player trade in NRL history.

Over chilled glasses of water on the final Monday in October, Gould and Flanagan met in the privacy of Beavis’ Eastern Suburbs home, pushing aside any animosity to end months of speculation and denials.

The outcome?

Former Penrith captain Matt Moylan moving from Penrith to Cronulla for the next four years and Test five-eighth James Maloney departing the Sharks for the Panthers, until 2020.

The combined value of the two contracts is estimated at just under $6 million.

BLOCKBUSTER: Kangaroos v All Blacks edges closer

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New Shark signing Matt Moylan at Shark Park
Only a year ago, the prospect of the pair working with each other for a desired outcome, would’ve been considered impossible.

The Penrith general manager, who coincidentally lives in the same Caringbah suburb as the Sharks coach, left Flanagan “filthy” when he described Cronulla’s maiden premierships “soft”.

Flanagan returned serve on Easter Sunday this year, when after thumping the Panthers in front of their home fans 28-2, Cronulla players could be heard singing “Three Cheers for Gus.’’

“All of a sudden the Panthers get rissoled (from the 2016 finals) and it’s the weakest comp in the world,’’ Flanagan said at the time.

“I thought it was poor form.’’

The pair, surprisingly given they live just streets away and share a common passion for junior rugby league, have shared nothing more than a passing ‘g’day’ at local weekend footy matches, ever since.

Until a fortnight ago.

“I had my little say back and forth with Gus, but what people forget is I’ve known Gus since my time at the Roosters,’’ Flanagan said.

“I was the coach of the under-20s (in 2004) and he was the coaching director.

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Shane Flanagan says a ‘man-to-man’ meeting helped him secure Matt Moylan. Picture: Brett Costello
“We’d say ‘hi’ when we pass each other, but we haven’t been in a situation like this before.

“And I’ve got to say, I really enjoyed the process because it was man-to-man, sitting around a table, working together to get it sorted in about two hours.

“There was no bad blood or anything, it was fine.

“I said to Gus, I’m happy to keep Jimmy (Maloney) for the next 12 months, but I also want him to get the longest and richest deal possible for the next three years,’’ Flanagan said.

“All I said about Matty (Moylan) was, if the Panthers were willing to release him, I would be willing to let Jimmy go to get that longer-term deal he has always wanted.

“Being younger and with some footy in front of him, the attraction of getting Matty is that if we were going to lose a quality player like Jimmy, we needed a quality player to come in and that’s what excited us about Matty coming to the Sharks.

“And so Gus said he would talk to Matty and Jimmy’s manager and so it (the deal) was done very quickly. The way it should be.’’

Wearing Sharks colours for the first time on Thursday, Moylan dodged media requests as he appeared for his first day of induction meetings.

In a press statement, Moylan said: “It’s a new chapter in my career and I’m looking forward to getting out here and playing some good footy.’’

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Phil Gould met with Shane Flanagan to help broker the swap deal. Picture: Toby Zerna
Flanagan hinted also, that he could be preparing for another round of negotiations, this time related to Roosters halfback Mitchell Pearce.

Pearce is yet to declare if he’ll remain at Bondi in 2018, ahead of the arrival of Storm ace Cooper Cronk.

Flanagan said the Sharks would wait for Pearce to determine his future before making any formal approach.

“A few of the players have contacted him because it’s a small world, rugby league and that’s just out of mates showing concern,’’ Flanagan said.

“Some days you here he’s going to move, some days you hear he’s going to stay, so
 

OldPanther

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How Phil Gould and Shane Flanagan brokered Moylan, Maloney swap deal
DAVID RICCIO, The Daily Telegraph
35 minutes ago
Subscriber only
FOR more than 12 months, Phil Gould and Shane Flanagan have exchanged more verbal hand grenades than handshakes.

Yet in the space of just two hours, the one-time sparring partners sat inside the Woollahra lounge room of their mutual manager, veteran agent Wayne Beavis, to orchestrate the richest player trade in NRL history.

Over chilled glasses of water on the final Monday in October, Gould and Flanagan met in the privacy of Beavis’ Eastern Suburbs home, pushing aside any animosity to end months of speculation and denials.

The outcome?

Former Penrith captain Matt Moylan moving from Penrith to Cronulla for the next four years and Test five-eighth James Maloney departing the Sharks for the Panthers, until 2020.

The combined value of the two contracts is estimated at just under $6 million.

BLOCKBUSTER: Kangaroos v All Blacks edges closer

89757e28ff35915c4a67e0e6c33ac8c7

New Shark signing Matt Moylan at Shark Park
Only a year ago, the prospect of the pair working with each other for a desired outcome, would’ve been considered impossible.

The Penrith general manager, who coincidentally lives in the same Caringbah suburb as the Sharks coach, left Flanagan “filthy” when he described Cronulla’s maiden premierships “soft”.

Flanagan returned serve on Easter Sunday this year, when after thumping the Panthers in front of their home fans 28-2, Cronulla players could be heard singing “Three Cheers for Gus.’’

“All of a sudden the Panthers get rissoled (from the 2016 finals) and it’s the weakest comp in the world,’’ Flanagan said at the time.

“I thought it was poor form.’’

The pair, surprisingly given they live just streets away and share a common passion for junior rugby league, have shared nothing more than a passing ‘g’day’ at local weekend footy matches, ever since.

Until a fortnight ago.

“I had my little say back and forth with Gus, but what people forget is I’ve known Gus since my time at the Roosters,’’ Flanagan said.

“I was the coach of the under-20s (in 2004) and he was the coaching director.

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Shane Flanagan says a ‘man-to-man’ meeting helped him secure Matt Moylan. Picture: Brett Costello
“We’d say ‘hi’ when we pass each other, but we haven’t been in a situation like this before.

“And I’ve got to say, I really enjoyed the process because it was man-to-man, sitting around a table, working together to get it sorted in about two hours.

“There was no bad blood or anything, it was fine.

“I said to Gus, I’m happy to keep Jimmy (Maloney) for the next 12 months, but I also want him to get the longest and richest deal possible for the next three years,’’ Flanagan said.

“All I said about Matty (Moylan) was, if the Panthers were willing to release him, I would be willing to let Jimmy go to get that longer-term deal he has always wanted.

“Being younger and with some footy in front of him, the attraction of getting Matty is that if we were going to lose a quality player like Jimmy, we needed a quality player to come in and that’s what excited us about Matty coming to the Sharks.

“And so Gus said he would talk to Matty and Jimmy’s manager and so it (the deal) was done very quickly. The way it should be.’’

Wearing Sharks colours for the first time on Thursday, Moylan dodged media requests as he appeared for his first day of induction meetings.

In a press statement, Moylan said: “It’s a new chapter in my career and I’m looking forward to getting out here and playing some good footy.’’

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Phil Gould met with Shane Flanagan to help broker the swap deal. Picture: Toby Zerna
Flanagan hinted also, that he could be preparing for another round of negotiations, this time related to Roosters halfback Mitchell Pearce.

Pearce is yet to declare if he’ll remain at Bondi in 2018, ahead of the arrival of Storm ace Cooper Cronk.

Flanagan said the Sharks would wait for Pearce to determine his future before making any formal approach.

“A few of the players have contacted him because it’s a small world, rugby league and that’s just out of mates showing concern,’’ Flanagan said.

“Some days you here he’s going to move, some days you hear he’s going to stay, so

Thanks for posting the article. So if that is correct it's all new. Almost makes it sound like Flanno wanted rid of Maloney more than anything going at Penrith.
 

Abacus

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Thanks for posting the article. So if that is correct it's all new. Almost makes it sound like Flanno wanted rid of Maloney more than anything going at Penrith.
Sounds like neither player was going to work at their current club so lets work a trade.
 

chrisD

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It was really nice of the media to give everyone the idea of the Moylan/Maloney swap. Had they not read it in the papers for the first time it may have never happened! And it is such a great deal, so good for everyone, everyone gets what they want! Man to man!

f**k me dead, were you dumb merkins born yesterday?
 

OldPanther

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It was really nice of the media to give everyone the idea of the Moylan/Maloney swap. Had they not read it in the papers for the first time it may have never happened! And it is such a great deal, so good for everyone, everyone gets what they want! Man to man!

f**k me dead, were you dumb merkins born yesterday?

If someone can explain this away I'll change my opinion. Just seems highy coincidental the media have been calling this for a long time now.
 

Abacus

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It was really nice of the media to give everyone the idea of the Moylan/Maloney swap. Had they not read it in the papers for the first time it may have never happened! And it is such a great deal, so good for everyone, everyone gets what they want! Man to man!

f**k me dead, were you dumb merkins born yesterday?
How's your tinfoil hat working for you?
 
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It was really nice of the media to give everyone the idea of the Moylan/Maloney swap. Had they not read it in the papers for the first time it may have never happened! And it is such a great deal, so good for everyone, everyone gets what they want! Man to man!

f**k me dead, were you dumb merkins born yesterday?
Been enjoying watching our gun RCG in the world cup? What a star
 
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Without too much of a told you so, it’s worth remembering a lot of people were sceptical about these rumours when they first came up.

Some rumours were posted from people who at least had some industry contacts and they were dismissed out of hand.

Perhaps, given this is a rumours thread, people won’t be so quick to laugh them off next time. Seriously there was so much smoke to this.
 
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How Phil Gould and Shane Flanagan brokered Moylan, Maloney swap deal
DAVID RICCIO, The Daily Telegraph
35 minutes ago
Subscriber only
FOR more than 12 months, Phil Gould and Shane Flanagan have exchanged more verbal hand grenades than handshakes.

Yet in the space of just two hours, the one-time sparring partners sat inside the Woollahra lounge room of their mutual manager, veteran agent Wayne Beavis, to orchestrate the richest player trade in NRL history.

Over chilled glasses of water on the final Monday in October, Gould and Flanagan met in the privacy of Beavis’ Eastern Suburbs home, pushing aside any animosity to end months of speculation and denials.

The outcome?

Former Penrith captain Matt Moylan moving from Penrith to Cronulla for the next four years and Test five-eighth James Maloney departing the Sharks for the Panthers, until 2020.

The combined value of the two contracts is estimated at just under $6 million.

BLOCKBUSTER: Kangaroos v All Blacks edges closer

89757e28ff35915c4a67e0e6c33ac8c7

New Shark signing Matt Moylan at Shark Park
Only a year ago, the prospect of the pair working with each other for a desired outcome, would’ve been considered impossible.

The Penrith general manager, who coincidentally lives in the same Caringbah suburb as the Sharks coach, left Flanagan “filthy” when he described Cronulla’s maiden premierships “soft”.

Flanagan returned serve on Easter Sunday this year, when after thumping the Panthers in front of their home fans 28-2, Cronulla players could be heard singing “Three Cheers for Gus.’’

“All of a sudden the Panthers get rissoled (from the 2016 finals) and it’s the weakest comp in the world,’’ Flanagan said at the time.

“I thought it was poor form.’’

The pair, surprisingly given they live just streets away and share a common passion for junior rugby league, have shared nothing more than a passing ‘g’day’ at local weekend footy matches, ever since.

Until a fortnight ago.

“I had my little say back and forth with Gus, but what people forget is I’ve known Gus since my time at the Roosters,’’ Flanagan said.

“I was the coach of the under-20s (in 2004) and he was the coaching director.

f0d81fae5d1f2bd55850ebfefeeb5e75

Shane Flanagan says a ‘man-to-man’ meeting helped him secure Matt Moylan. Picture: Brett Costello
“We’d say ‘hi’ when we pass each other, but we haven’t been in a situation like this before.

“And I’ve got to say, I really enjoyed the process because it was man-to-man, sitting around a table, working together to get it sorted in about two hours.

“There was no bad blood or anything, it was fine.

“I said to Gus, I’m happy to keep Jimmy (Maloney) for the next 12 months, but I also want him to get the longest and richest deal possible for the next three years,’’ Flanagan said.

“All I said about Matty (Moylan) was, if the Panthers were willing to release him, I would be willing to let Jimmy go to get that longer-term deal he has always wanted.

“Being younger and with some footy in front of him, the attraction of getting Matty is that if we were going to lose a quality player like Jimmy, we needed a quality player to come in and that’s what excited us about Matty coming to the Sharks.

“And so Gus said he would talk to Matty and Jimmy’s manager and so it (the deal) was done very quickly. The way it should be.’’

Wearing Sharks colours for the first time on Thursday, Moylan dodged media requests as he appeared for his first day of induction meetings.

In a press statement, Moylan said: “It’s a new chapter in my career and I’m looking forward to getting out here and playing some good footy.’’

e2896ac10baa1c2ab8acd05f1b38adb5

Phil Gould met with Shane Flanagan to help broker the swap deal. Picture: Toby Zerna
Flanagan hinted also, that he could be preparing for another round of negotiations, this time related to Roosters halfback Mitchell Pearce.

Pearce is yet to declare if he’ll remain at Bondi in 2018, ahead of the arrival of Storm ace Cooper Cronk.

Flanagan said the Sharks would wait for Pearce to determine his future before making any formal approach.

“A few of the players have contacted him because it’s a small world, rugby league and that’s just out of mates showing concern,’’ Flanagan said.

“Some days you here he’s going to move, some days you hear he’s going to stay, so


I’m not sure I buy all this talk Gould & Flanagan were “sparring partners”

Gould’s son plays at the sharks, I doubt Gus would want to be a prick to his head coach.
 

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Without too much of a told you so, it’s worth remembering a lot of people were sceptical about these rumours when they first came up.

Some rumours were posted from people who at least had some industry contacts and they were dismissed out of hand.

Perhaps, given this is a rumours thread, people won’t be so quick to laugh them off next time. Seriously there was so much smoke to this.

It's interesting to see how many of the rumors turn out correct. Some of these "inside sources" must be pretty legit.
 

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The conspiracy that Gould just makes up lies as suits? Pretty well I suppose, I mean it has all the results going for it.
No I haven't been watching, has he been playing like the 20 games last season or the other 5?

They refused to give him the ball a lot. Ran a lot of decoys and tackled. Looked aggressive when he got a go though.
 

chrisD

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They refused to give him the ball a lot. Ran a lot of decoys and tackled. Looked aggressive when he got a go though.
An inspired selection, if you want a bloke to never stop running for you and looking the part without actually giving him the ball, he's your man.
 

OldPanther

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An inspired selection, if you want a bloke to never stop running for you and looking the part without actually giving him the ball, he's your man.

To be fair it's not his fault Smithler had a thing for McGuire. It might be love.
 

martielang

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Pretty sure ChrisD was actually agreeing with you blokes & you all turned on him.

Sensational.
 
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mxlegend99

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An inspired selection, if you want a bloke to never stop running for you and looking the part without actually giving him the ball, he's your man.
As badly as the Storm players didnt want to pass it to non Storm players, he still had 13 runs for 127m gained.

He runs hard and has a huge engine. He is by far the best front rower at the club. Like him or not, he's the least of our issues.the $700k+ invested in Tamou for barely 100 metres a game is a bigger issue.
 
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