James Tamou

[Luke Bowden]

I've heard repeatedly that he's on less than 500k including TPAs. I trust my sources more than the mass media, can't be bothered getting into these inane debates though.

Yeah I heard the same.

 

[Fangs]

Awesome, another thread to discuss Tamou and his average performances

You're welcome

 

[martielang]

This is such a load of shit.

RCG is in that list too afterall. Our backs make the best metres on kick returns too. Getting our forwards onside earlier and allowing them more opportunities for hitups. Tamou has ran for big metres with us on occassion too. Hes not worth elite money if hes not required to be an elite prop.

If you’re going to compare him with RCG, compare apples with apples. What’s the stat when they both start? Look at all the stats - tackles, missed tackles, errors etc.

RCGs big numbers come when he’s off the bench against a tiring defence. He is half as effective when starting that’s Because it’s a hell of a lot harder to make metres against a fresh defensive line who are getting off their line double as fast as 35 mins into a game.

I’m also struggling to see how throwing up running metres from last year is more relevant than the stats provided for this year. No ones arguing he was disappointing last year, but he’s had a good start to 2018. The one stat you seem to base your whole argument on, shows that he has had a decent start, especially when you consider the lack of ball wwe’ve had at times.

You just love a whipping boy. Now the hookmeister has put you back in your box, you’re looking for your next target.

 

[Pomoz]

This is such a load of shit.

RCG is in that list too afterall. Our backs make the best metres on kick returns too. Getting our forwards onside earlier and allowing them more opportunities for hitups. Tamou has ran for big metres with us on occassion too. Hes not worth elite money if hes not required to be an elite prop.

But its not, 'a load of shit' as you put it. In fact, as a tactic getting the backs to make more metres is a good one. In defence they can duck back out wide and have a breather. Meanwhile the big forwards keep running through the middle and props use up energy in defence. It's why the backs don't top tackle counts. If you ask me, its pretty smart. Just make sure you recruit robust wingers.

RCG made more metres than Tamou, but he comes on after the softening up period. Even then, RCG misses more tackles and makes more errors. Why only focus on metres? It's only half the job.

How does anybody know what he is on? That article is a journalist's speculation. Tamou hasn't confirmed it, nor have Hook or Gus.

 

[martielang]

Great minds & all that.

 

[Blues Riff]

https://www.foxsports.com.au/nrl/nr...m/news-story/1f6301184459947ad53b92552a1d74a5


Out of thin air? No.

Out of Dan Walsh's arse. No quotes provided. At the time of signing, the club stated that the amount was grosely overstated.

 

[Pomoz]

Great minds & all that.

Sorry mate, started mine before you posted. Imitation and all that.

 

[mxlegend99]

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I’m also struggling to see how throwing up running metres from last year is more relevant than the stats provided for this year. No ones arguing he was disappointing last year, but he’s had a good start to 2018. The one stat you seem to base your whole argument on, shows that he has had a decent start, especially when you consider the lack of ball wwe’ve had at times.

Tamou is averaging over 20 metres less per game this year over last year... last years numbers make him look better and show he's not even at last years form yet.

Last years numbers are also relevant because those numbers are based on all the games played. They account for form dips. For games where he shines etc. To give a picture of a whole season.

How is 90 metres in a game decent? 70-90 metres a game is what you expect from impact players. Guys who get small minutes but are expected to turn momentum and give the betters players a rest.

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You just love a whipping boy. Now the hookmeister has put you back in your box, you’re looking for your next target.

From everything we've seen in the off-season. Gus has been taking over Hook consistently. No matter who's responsible, they havent done shit yet except get us to scrape in wins over teams Manly and Warriors absolutely smashed. But hey a wins a win. 1 point or 50.

I was also critical of Tamou last year. If were going to pay elite money to someone and lose depth to get them. I expect them to perform aswell as the other elite playrrs in their position.

 

[mxlegend99]

Or look at it from another perspective... does anyone think James Tamou will be in the NSW or Australian teams barring an injury crisis to props?

Woods. Klemmer. Fifita. RCG. McLean would be the top 5. Fifita might miss out due to not declaring himself eligible though.

Tamou should be at his peak right now. I expect him to get there. Hes the right age at a good young team. He should have fire in him to get his rep spots back. But until he runs hard and mskes big metres thats not happening.

 

[Abacus]

Is his defence not worth mentioning? His line speed? He and Merrin jammed the inside runner all day, gave the Rabbit play makers very little room to move.

That was elite. Seems to always go unnoticed though.

Doesn't count in Supercoach

 

[franklin2323]

Out of Dan Walsh's arse. No quotes provided. At the time of signing, the club stated that the amount was grosely overstated.

I heard from a good source. He is on the books for $450k. A new care each year and other extras but who knows... Let them have their targets

 

[franklin2323]

But its not, 'a load of shit' as you put it. In fact, as a tactic getting the backs to make more metres is a good one. In defence they can duck back out wide and have a breather. Meanwhile the big forwards keep running through the middle and props use up energy in defence. It's why the backs don't top tackle counts. If you ask me, its pretty smart. Just make sure you recruit robust wingers.

RCG made more metres than Tamou, but he comes on after the softening up period. Even then, RCG misses more tackles and makes more errors. Why only focus on metres? It's only half the job.

How does anybody know what he is on? That article is a journalist's speculation. Tamou hasn't confirmed it, nor have Hook or Gus.

RCG ave 57mins last year. Tamou 47. That extra 10mins is worth a few extra hit ups etc

 

[martielang]

Sorry mate, started mine before you posted. Imitation and all that.

I’m just dirty your post made more sense then mine!

 

[mxlegend99]

RCG ave 57mins last year. Tamou 47. That extra 10mins is worth a few extra hit ups etc

Which further illustrates the point Tamou is not an elite prop.

When a kid plays 10 minutes more each week and plays harder whdn he does... you're not close to being an elite prop.

Now everyone heres claiming to have better sources than the media and suddenly Tamou is here for a pie and coke. Which if that the case. Why the f**k have we lost so much of our roster and why do we need to further shed players?

And where's the link to Gus denying he's not earning what the media are reporting? I remember him saying that about Soward 4 years ago. Not about Tamou. Talk about pulling figures out of thin air ffs.

 

[mxlegend99]

Btw if he were only on $450k than it would change what you excpect from.him and he would be doing an adequate job as far as value for money goes.

Although considering his age and experience, prior form in his career and so on. He's still not close to where he should be in running the ball.

Take RCGs lead. Run it like a f**king man. Surely in 10 fewer minutes he could atleast put in a few kamikaze runs.

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And it would also beg the question. Where's all our money gone? We lost a lot of players on decemt contracts. Tamou being on a small contract doesn't add up. Carty and Moylan were on ~$500k before TPAs.

 

[Luke Bowden]

Or look at it from another perspective... does anyone think James Tamou will be in the NSW or Australian teams barring an injury crisis to props?

Woods. Klemmer. Fifita. RCG. McLean would be the top 5. Fifita might miss out due to not declaring himself eligible though.

Tamou should be at his peak right now. I expect him to get there. Hes the right age at a good young team. He should have fire in him to get his rep spots back. But until he runs hard and mskes big metres thats not happening.

He currently playing better than the 1st three you mentioned. That’s for sure.

 

[OldPanther]

He currently playing better than the 1st three you mentioned. That’s for sure.

He's playing worse than Klemmer.

 

[Fangs]

Well won't Friday night be interesting?

Aussie Jim and RCG vs Woods and Klemmer.

 

[Pomoz]

Mx, if he is on $450k, it would make sense. The salary cap when he signed was not $9.3m and hadn't been agreed. It was $7m. throw in a car and a few other benefits not included in the cap like a car allowance, medical insurance and training courses and he would probably get to a package of $500k with $450k in the cap. Considering the NRL average would be $370k for the 30 players it provides for, that seems about right for a quality prop. If Tamou started getting picked for NSW and Australia again, his fee would go up for sure. An elite prop is likely to be on maybe $600k. Scott, Klemmer and Fifita might get something like that.

If your star player's on $1m and your spine players are on say $700k, that's a total of $3.1m on 4 players. It leaves $6.2m too service the other 26 players in your squad at an average of $238k.

The salary cap leaves so many questions to be answered.

How many of your 30 man squad do you put on a minimum wage of $100k?

How many star forwards can you afford and need to win a premiership? $600k each, $500K each?

What about centres? If a spine player is $700k is a centre $500k? Or is it more?

For example, if you spend:

Spine (1m plus 3 x $700k), $3.1m
4 quality forwards at $600k, $2.4m
2 quality centres at $500k, 1m

Total $6.5m.

You have paid 10 players. You are left with $2.8m to service 20 players.

The minimum wage is 4 players at $70k and the rest are $100k.

4 players at $70k, $280k
16 players at $100k, $1.6m

Total $1.88m

You now have 920k to spread amongst the 20 players at an average of $46k.You need some depth so some player will have to be in the $250 - $300k bracket. A winger on $500k plus? How do we do that?

It's not easy is it and I wish journalists would learn how to operate excel before throwing around ridiculous figures. Is Tamou on $750k? I just can't see how he can be unless Gus is stupid. Gus is many things, arrogant, rude and opinionated just for a start. Stupid? Nah.

 

[franklin2323]

Mx, if he is on $450k, it would make sense. The salary cap when he signed was not $9.3m and hadn't been agreed. It was $7m. throw in a car and a few other benefits not included in the cap like a car allowance, medical insurance and training courses and he would probably get to a package of $500k with $450k in the cap. Considering the NRL average would be $370k for the 30 players it provides for, that seems about right for a quality prop. If Tamou started getting picked for NSW and Australia again, his fee would go up for sure. An elite prop is likely to be on maybe $600k. Scott, Klemmer and Fifita might get something like that.

If your star player's on $1m and your spine players are on say $700k, that's a total of $3.1m on 4 players. It leaves $6.2m too service the other 26 players in your squad at an average of $238k.

The salary cap leaves so many questions to be answered.

How many of your 30 man squad do you put on a minimum wage of $100k?

How many star forwards can you afford and need to win a premiership? $600k each, $500K each?

What about centres? If a spine player is $700k is a centre $500k? Or is it more?

For example, if you spend:

Spine (1m plus 3 x $700k), $3.1m
4 quality forwards at $600k, $2.4m
2 quality centres at $500k, 1m

Total $6.5m.

You have paid 10 players. You are left with $2.8m to service 20 players.

The minimum wage is 4 players at $70k and the rest are $100k.

4 players at $70k, $280k
16 players at $100k, $1.6m

Total $1.88m

You now have 920k to spread amongst the 20 players at an average of $46k.You ned some depth so some player will have to be in the $250 - $300k bracket. A winger on $500k plus? How do we do that?

It's not easy is it and I wish journalists would learn how to operate excel before throwing around ridiculous figures. Is Tamou on $750k? I just can't see how he can be unless Gus is stupid. Gus is many things, arrogant, rude and opinionated just for a start. Stupid? Nah.

Looking at the squad. Those with no experience I'd say would be minimum wage. The rest on varing contracts