Manly Salary Cap

[Cherry_poppins]

By the way

Thanks to the Australian cricket team for making this the b plot of the Australian sports month

 

[Canard]

There is a easy way to fix all this salary cap rotting, suspend the player for two years who receiving money outside the cap. Okay the player might plead he did not know...bad luck, it’s their buissness to know and ignorance is no defence..ask the ATO.

Of course still hit the clubs, but players would be very careful their contracts were kosher, if they risked two years out of the game

Bottom line nothing will happen till we have people with integrity running the game

It most definitely isn't their business to know if a club is compliant with the cap.

 

[wibble]

It's getting ludicrous.

We really can't say we have ever had a clean NRL with any certainty. Regular, large and premeditated breaches of the cap continue to pop up, but the NRL only catches it years later from other parties.

Seriously, no year is safe. No premiership can be considered unambiguously untainted. The cap and its policing is an absolute disaster.

The Tour de France is an unwatchable farce now due to deliberate cheating. We have fears now that this might happen to test cricket.

And now the NRL don't seem at all able to prevent cheating, and at some point that has to hurt its popularity.

I feel sorry for fans of clubs found guilty. I feel sorry for fans of other clubs, who haven't had a fair chance. I feel sorry for all fans, we are all hoping our club won't suddenly lose a premiership or have a season taken away by points deductions because the club management are cheats.

Many issues in the game seem big, but in a few years are an interesting part of history. But deliberate cheating, and the inability of the NRL to do anything about it, is actually a threat to our sport's existence.

20 years to get it right and no progress at all it seems. Seriously NRL, come up with a way to run a fair comp.

/rant

 

[ed-grimley]

Without reading any of this thread I'm guessing Manly supporters are staunchly defending their club while everyone else reckons they are guilty as hell.

 

[t-ba]

Without reading any of this thread I'm guessing Manly supporters are staunchly defending their club while everyone else reckons they are guilty as hell.

You underestimate how little the average Manly fan thinks of the people who own our club.

 

[Cherry_poppins]

Without reading any of this thread I'm guessing Manly supporters are staunchly defending their club while everyone else reckons they are guilty as hell.

It's basically storm and eels fans crying poor that we didn't lose points while most manly fans are disgusted with management to a point where financial input isn't continuing

Luckily I withdrew my input when Toovey got shafted so I'm agreeing our owner is in fact a lollipoper

 

[Cherry_poppins]

WTF LU lollipopper isn't a term I'd use

I merely suggested the bloke enjoys giving gobbies to other men

 

[RedVDragon]

They should be deducting points and start the season in negative. What’s interesting the Sea Queens have nothing to show for it.

If I was the storm or the eels I would be contesting this decision even go to the extend in reinstating the two premiership taken away from the Storm.

 

[Cherry_poppins]

They should be deducting points and start the season in negative. What’s interesting the Sea Queens have nothing to show for it.

If I was the storm or the eels I would be contesting this decision even go to the extend in reinstating the two premiership taken away from the Storm.

And take away the dragons only premiership as a merged entity

Oh I'm sorry but Melbourne would've beaten the shit out of you any day of the week

 

[Abacus]

My idea is this:

Remove financial cap control and auditing from the clubs and managers entirely. Outsource it or each club is given an allowance to use an approved financial auditor for all cap related matters.

For example. Player managers broker a deal between the club and with all TPA’s. Submit all contracts to an independent financial auditor who acts as a financial preparer for the NRL.

If the contract is in breach at the point of submission, fine the player manager/club, they lose a submission fee (can go into the game somehow - Grass roots comes to mind) or even add these breaches up at the end of the year and have cap penalties for the following year or something.

Rinse and repeat till complete

When the contract is acceptable it is submitted to the nrl with the approval of an approved party.

Anytime money is involved with clubs it ends up a rort. Remove the control and give the clubs ratings. The more they breach the less control they have.

The NRL is incompetent and they need all the help they can get.

Still won't prevent rorting. Centralisation is 1 step but doesn't stop clubs paying additional amounts or directing funds to the player (or his wife) from suppliers, putting for $50k from 6 inches, etc.
Unfortunately there's too much opportunity for cheating scum to be cheating scum.

 

[Perth Red]

Slothfield on 360reckons $400k of the cheat was on getting dice to do his backflip. Titans should help pay some of the fine seeing as they dodged a massive anchor lol

 

[Someguy]

And take away the dragons only premiership as a merged entity

Oh I'm sorry but Melbourne would've beaten the shit out of you any day of the week

If memory serves me correct they beat the merge the week before points were taken.

 

[Someguy]

Are manly in the clear over the whole Dank thing btw? Might be a good time to do a 2in1 punishment

 

[RedVDragon]

And take away the dragons only premiership as a merged entity

Oh I'm sorry but Melbourne would've beaten the shit out of you any day of the week

Oh I sorry too for your existence. Now go away and cry cheat

 

[RedVDragon]

Hey

If memory serves me correct they beat the merge the week before points were taken.

Cherry Cheat your memory what memory you don’t have a brain.

The facts are we smashed your cheats deluxe last year cheats. Can you remember. Now go away and cry.

 

[Scaven]

Hey

Cherry Cheat your memory what memory you don’t have a brain.

The facts are we smashed your cheats deluxe last year cheats. Can you remember. Now go away and cry.

Did you just have a stroke?

 

[super_coach]

It most definitely isn't their business to know if a club is compliant with the cap.

Yes, but if they are being paid illegally in the form of a under table payment or a second contract that the NRL are not aware of than that is a different kettle of fish, and that seems the case with Manly

 

[Cherry_poppins]

Did you just have a stroke?

What do you figure the dipshit meant?

 

[Scaven]

What do you figure the dipshit meant?

Who knows? He is a dragons supporter, so the inbreeding is strong.

 

[Scaven]

Hmmmm interesting

https://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/s...t/news-story/85851921e2a878a7ef4ba23e1e2a0f46

Manly Sea Eagles owner Scott Penn fires back at salary cap rorting punishment

DEFIANT Manly owner Scott Penn fired back at the NRL, declaring: “We’re not salary cap cheats.”

The Sea Eagles chairman told The Daily Telegraph his club had been “seriously hung out to dry” through “circumstantial evidence” despite the NRL revealing it had uncovered “deliberate breaches of the cap.”

“This is not a rort,” Penn insisted.

Asked had his club cheated, Penn said: “No. We have abided by the principles of the salary cap. The club has not paid one player any more than we have declared.

“And the NRL has not provided a smoking gun through this whole process. It’s disappointing to be tarnished with a big brush.


“We have not paid a player one cent more than our annual salary cap declaration. We have abided by the principles and rules of the salary cap. They are suggesting we have somehow rorted the system and gained an unfair advantage — we disagree.

“They have said we effectively made promissory notes to players and not disclosed them. They were in relation to making introductions and helping find them third parties. It was only around the negotiating process.

“The NRL is maintaining a hard line on it and are saying it is breach of the rules. We never guaranteed any third parties. That is what we are disputing. They are saying we had to disclose them, it was an obligation.

“But there are no guarantees in writing — this is all circumstantial. When you’re negotiating with a player, sure you try and find them additional money. That’s common practice. This isn’t isolated to the Sea Eagles.

“This is not a rort. It’s a protocol issue. The club has not guaranteed third parties. And no-one is claiming that we have, this is where it gets tricky. We are seriously getting hung out to dry on this, to be honest.

“What we have done is introduce people to player agents, and the like, as part of the negotiations. All at an arm’s length and said there is potentially an opportunity here. Some have come to pass, some haven’t.

“They are claiming that every single one of those for the past five years — any introduction or otherwise — should have been in the cap, which we totally disagree with.”

“We feel at this stage there are certainly strong grounds to appeal,” Penn said. “We just need to review that based on our legal opinion.”