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If you read back a little while ago. I stated..! If Parra do not look after some of there youngsters coming through they could end up loosing them as i know other clubs are circling.
Clubs have identified players to target.!
I was not only talking about Brown but a few others as well. Parra need to make up there minds and decide which players are priority going into the future and which ones are not. Other wise they run the risk of loosing some if not all the really good juniors coming through.

Yep. Speaking to one of them last week and he's been offered contracts by a few clubs. Wants to stay at Parra though
 

hindy111

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Ask yourself one question. If the Duke was here would we lose any promising juniors?

I rest my case. Lets hope BA and Bernie dont f**k things up.
 

hindy111

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So let it out and let it in, hey DUKE begin
You're waiting for someone to perform with
And don't you know that it's just you, hey DUKE, you'll do
The movement you need is on your shoulder
Nah nah nah nah nah nah nah nah nah yeah
 

Happy MEel

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But his current contract says he can't play in the NRL. If another party was to offer him a contract that says he can play in the NRL, we wouldnt be able to hold him to a contract that restricts him not to play in the NRL. I understand that to be restraint of trade.
Here are some relevant quotes from a journal article on the matter:

“As a result, clubs cannot demand transfer fees for their athletes once their contract with that athlete has expired. However, similar to Europe, under the Australian transfer system clubs can request transfer fees if an athlete who is currently contracted to them wishes to play for another club.” (If it was a restraint of trade then this would not be possible)

“Australia tends to compromise between the US and European positions by generally allowing caps but by usually deeming the addition of drafts an unreasonable restraint of trade.” (The development contract Brown is on is a component of the cap)

“As Australia’s leagues develop, the courts must continue to balance the interests of the athlete with those of the club and league. This could be done by setting a precedent promoting the use of CBAs. This occurs in the US, where sports are generally exempt from restraint of trade laws when the players’ union, representatives of the clubs and league officials, enter into CBAs.” (Like the one entered into this year with the RLPA).

https://epublications.bond.edu.au/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1009&context=slej

Brown’s going nowhere unless we allow it.
 
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But his current contract says he can't play in the NRL. If another party was to offer him a contract that says he can play in the NRL, we wouldnt be able to hold him to a contract that restricts him not to play in the NRL. I understand that to be restraint of trade.
But his contract also prevents him from playing AFL and every other sport. So how is any contract not a restraint of trade?
 

Delboy

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They've been identified by the coaching staff, the issue now goes to Bernie and the invisible O'Neill , who like players hasn't been formally announced yet, to assist by planning their contract pathways in the same professional manner in which their playing pathways were managed over the past 3/4 years by Fieldsy.

No good spruiking about being a development club if you can't deliver what is in your system. Let's hope Mr Gurr is up to the task.
 

Chipmunk

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But his contract also prevents him from playing AFL and every other sport. So how is any contract not a restraint of trade?

Because he has a contract of employment to play the sport of rugby league. But his contract limits his employment options in the sport of rugby league. It's the contract that's the issue.

These sort of restraint contracts won't ever get tested because no one would bother holding the player to a development contract. They'll either put them in their Top 30 or let them go.

Browns contract is irrelevant. If the Warriors offer him a Top 30 spot for 2019 and we don't want to, then we'll just let him go.
 

Happy MEel

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But his contract also prevents him from playing AFL and every other sport. So how is any contract not a restraint of trade?
Spot on. Granted this is from 2012, but this explicitly outlines some conditions within the standard contract:

“The NRL Playing Contract incorporates restraint of trade terms typical of those found in many Australian professional sports leagues. The relationship between the NRL and premier rugby league players is that of employer and employee.

The major restraint of trade on NRL players is the salary cap, set at $4.4 million per club in 2012 ‘for the 25 highest paid players at each club’ plus up to an additional ‘$350,000 on those players outside the top 25 who play in the NRL competition’.

The Collective Bargaining Agreement (‘CBA’) states that:

The NRL Clubs and Players recognise the importance of a Salary Cap and acknowledge that the Salary Cap limits, in a reasonable way, the remuneration that may be paid by, or on behalf of, any one NRL Club to its Players.

Should the salary cap be averaged amongst the top 25 players, each would receive $176 000 per annum. Of course, better players are paid far more leaving less money available for other players. The impact of the salary cap on NRL players is revealed in the difference between what each would command in a free market and that paid under the salary cap.

There are a number of additional trade restraints. First, under section 3.1(s) the player must:

not play the Game with any person, team of organisation save for the Club or in matches in any representative Competitions ... except with the prior written consent of the Club.

Second, under section 3.1(t) the player must:

not without the prior written consent of the Club, which the Player acknowledges will only be given with the consent of the NRL, participate in any football match of any code.

Third, under section 3.1(u) the player must:

not participate in any sporting or leisure activities other than matches approved by the Club and the NRL ... except where:
(i) the chances of injury are unlikely ...
(ii) there is no pre-arranged media coverage
(iii) the Player is not (directly or indirectly) paid.

Fourth, under section 3.1 (v) the player must:

not to enter into any Non-Playing Agreement or Third Party Agreement without the prior written consent of the Club.

Fifth, under section 3.2(a) the Player may:

make public appearances and contribute to the press, television and radio provided that:
(i) the consent of the Club has been obtained, which consent must not be unreasonably withheld and
(ii) such appearances and contributions do not conflict with the interests of, or bring into disrepute, the NRL, the Club or the Game.”

http://www.austlii.edu.au/au/journals/ANZSportsLawJl/2012/4.pdf
 

Happy MEel

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Because he has a contract of employment to play the sport of rugby league. But his contract limits his employment options in the sport of rugby league. It's the contract that's the issue.

These sort of restraint contracts won't ever get tested because no one would bother holding the player to a development contract. They'll either put them in their Top 30 or let them go.

Browns contract is irrelevant. If the Warriors offer him a Top 30 spot for 2019 and we don't want to, then we'll just let him go.
Yeah nah...it would 100% be included in the CBA to safeguard a club’s contract with (and investment in) that player, regardless of their contract status within the cap.
 

Chipmunk

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Here are some relevant quotes from a journal article on the matter:

“As a result, clubs cannot demand transfer fees for their athletes once their contract with that athlete has expired. However, similar to Europe, under the Australian transfer system clubs can request transfer fees if an athlete who is currently contracted to them wishes to play for another club.” (If it was a restraint of trade then this would not be possible)

“Australia tends to compromise between the US and European positions by generally allowing caps but by usually deeming the addition of drafts an unreasonable restraint of trade.” (The development contract Brown is on is a component of the cap)

“As Australia’s leagues develop, the courts must continue to balance the interests of the athlete with those of the club and league. This could be done by setting a precedent promoting the use of CBAs. This occurs in the US, where sports are generally exempt from restraint of trade laws when the players’ union, representatives of the clubs and league officials, enter into CBAs.” (Like the one entered into this year with the RLPA).

https://epublications.bond.edu.au/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1009&context=slej

Brown’s going nowhere unless we allow it.

None of these quotes are actually relevant to the actual point in question that I've been trying to make. You've misinterpreted the quotes and their relationship.

Browns restriction on playing in the NRL is not a cap issue.
 
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Chipmunk

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Yeah nah...it would 100% be included in the CBA to safeguard a club’s contract with (and investment in) that player, regardless of their contract status within the cap.

Its not a cap issue.

There are two things at play here.

1. I can't see the actual issue of Development Contracts ever being challenged as a restraint of trade becuase in reality if a club thought a player was that important they'd just upgrade the player to Top 30 or let him go if someone wants to offer him a Top 30 spot.

2. We'll just upgrade Brown to Top 30 or we'll just let him go. He's either an important part of the clubs future or he's completely expendable.
 

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