Rationalisation of Sydney

[taipan]

What I find funny is Todd Greenberg was parachuted Into the ceo role because he was going to be “perfect” for the nrl. He had all the media and Sydney clubs on his side as well. There were big hopes for him. Since those days, the media and clubs have turned on him. I think it says more about them than it does him. Why.....? Because everyone has an agenda and if they don’t get what they want they will kick and scream. The ceos role is to look at what’s best for the game. Not any one club over another. In this game we have the uncanny ability to always blame someone else for our own issues.

Once Beattie goes, Greenberg goes maybe people will start realizing once vlandys gets on the nose that it’s actually everyone else (media/clubs.)

Yet Sydney clubs have not been flicked by him, regardless of his many faults.
Even when the code had Quayle and Arthurson who were great at their job, the media and fans bitched.
It's the job of the media to look for faults, and praise is rare.It's not teh job of the media to decide how many teams a code should have.

Correct, but if the CEO and Chairman and the Commission believe as I do ,suburban clubs in the biggest city in the country(and growing) retain a strong tribalism ,as evidenced by recent crowds in grounds (that currently are not upgraded),.need to be retained and not giving up areas to rival codes, then they are looking after the interests of the game.

In Melbourne the ties to AFL are religious like, in Sydney it's ties to clubs more than the game itself.Reduce your viewers in Sydney, the country's biggest commercial market, then your advert dollar for TV is reduced, regardless of whether another team has been introduced elsewhere.

Conversely it could be argued if they expand to an area and it does OK for a few years, and then goes down hill and loses money and fans,Is that good for the game?

Regardless of where a team is located sh*t crowds look sh*tty.Whether Greenberg, Beattie ,V'Landys or anyone is in charge.

Agendas in sport are commonplace ,even in the AFL:tanking ,COLA etc.

 

[taipan]

Sounds like another politician.

Like Gil MacLachan and the race issue in the AFL.Gallop in the A League ,and our beloved Raelene in the ARU.
It's rather ironic that a guy who did a lot of damage to rugby league John Ribot ,was responsible for the Storm.People were lost to the game because of rationalise and b*gger other Sydney clubs.
Mate you had a game where the Minor Premiership trophy was to be handed out, in a great stadium (and despite semis of another huge code being next door),was less than half full.Not going to bag the Storm because they have been a well run club and winners, all I'm saying is crowds fluctuate in good and suburban stadiums, and in mnay cases scheduling has a lot to do with it.
Any CEO with half a brain knows this.

 

[Perth Red]

Today's Sunday Telegraph.form Buzz Sixpack Slothfield.
"V'Landys to save suburban footy.
Sydney NRL clubs and their grounds will be safe from ch9's push to slash teams if Racing NSW boss Peter V'landys becomes independent commission chairman.

V'Landys spoke last year about the importance of tradition and tribalism and will lobby the government to bring grounds such as Brookvale Oval,Leichhardt Oval and Shark Park yup to scratch."
Having families in Sydney attend suburban grounds is imperative to the future popularity pot the game" he said'That's what tribalism is about.I'm strongly of the belief that suburban grounds have an important role to play and should be upgraded for today's entertainment venue standards."
V'Landys is also passionate about bush footy and will increase support for struggling country clubs if elected.


Furthermore on Fox today Megan Barnard was interviewing Greenberg just before the start of the Tigers v Shark's game at Leichhardt with the big crowd in the background.He also stated these club grounds plus the new big stadiums being built are vital for the code.

The crowds at Leichhardt and Shark Park last weekend reinforced the argument that there suburban grounds on a Sunday afternoon are what many club fans want.You cannot ignore nearly 19,000 last weekend and nearly 20,000 today .Bearing in mind these crowds achieved whilst the grounds are not upgraded ATM.
So channel 9 can get well and truly knotted.

This is exactly why our game is going anywhere fast. The creaming over a sht ground jam packed that could only hold 19k on Sunday was just embarrassing. It looked like an american football high school game not an NFL one! That game getting 30k in a stadium of the modern quality of Bankwest, now that would have been something to celebrate.
Tribalism is BS when most sydney suburban "rivalry games" are getting less than 15k.Despite a new stadium Sydney ended up with the lowest crowd avg of the RL regions again, depsite all the advatgaes of two sets of fans being able to attend a majority of games in the city.

Mind you Beattie came in on a ticket of expand or die and got nowhere with that so probably shouldn't hold too much stead in what these blokes say.,

 

[Perth Red]

No need to kick out any Sydney teams. Add Brisbane 2 and Perth and make it an 18 team competition.

The problem though isnt in to kick out or not sydney teams, market forces will eventually drive that outcome. Its the NRL not being able to expand to Perth, Adelaide, Brisbane,NZ, Central Coast etc BECAUSE of the poorly performing Sydney teams. In AFL the heartland clubs are largely extremely financially successful and dont require TV money as much to survive so the AFL can invest more of the TV money into growth clubs. At the moment taking $1or 2mill of the Tv grant from any of the NSw clubs in order to add the teams the game needs to grow it would see them go bust.

 

[adamkungl]

This is exactly why our game is going anywhere fast. The creaming over a sht ground jam packed that could only hold 19k on Sunday was just embarrassing. It looked like an american football high school game not an NFL one! That game getting 30k in a stadium of the modern quality of Bankwest, now that would have been something to celebrate.

Winner winner

Anyone going on about the wonders of a jam-packed hill is obviously experiencing it from the commentary box on the other side of the field.

 

[mongoose]

The problem though isnt in to kick out or not sydney teams, market forces will eventually drive that outcome. Its the NRL not being able to expand to Perth, Adelaide, Brisbane,NZ, Central Coast etc BECAUSE of the poorly performing Sydney teams. In AFL the heartland clubs are largely extremely financially successful and dont require TV money as much to survive so the AFL can invest more of the TV money into growth clubs. At the moment taking $1or 2mill of the Tv grant from any of the NSw clubs in order to add the teams the game needs to grow it would see them go bust.

Don't some Melbourne AFL clubs rely on AFL money to prop them up?
St kilda, Melbourne demons off the top of my head.

 

[greenBV4]

Don't some Melbourne AFL clubs rely on AFL money to prop them up?
St kilda, Melbourne demons off the top of my head.

And thsoe are the first clubs named when relocation gets brought up in that code too

 

[Perth Red]

Don't some Melbourne AFL clubs rely on AFL money to prop them up?
St kilda, Melbourne demons off the top of my head.

Thats why I said the majority, not all. They have 4 heartland clubs struggling and needing bigger payouts but 10 that are funded significantly less than the expansion clubs.

Heres a list of the centralised money payments, as you can see the heartland clubs are the ones who need the least money generally allowing the AFL to invest in expansion and propping up the few failing heartland clubs. Problem we have is that most of our heartland clubs are just as financially troubled as the expansion ones! In many cases even more so.

AFL club grants

Heartland clubs ($mill)
West Coast 10.9
Collingwood 10.8
Hawthorn 11.1
Essendon 11.6
Freo 11.4
Geelong 11.4
Adelaide Crows 11.6
Richmond 12
Carlton 12.7
Port Adelaide 14.7
Melbourne 15.6
Nth Melb 15.9
West Bulldogs 16.3
St Kilda 19.1

Expansion Clubs
Sydney 13.1
Brisbane 22.3
GWS 22.7
Gold Coast 22.8

 

[taipan]

This is exactly why our game is going anywhere fast. The creaming over a sht ground jam packed that could only hold 19k on Sunday was just embarrassing. It looked like an american football high school game not an NFL one! That game getting 30k in a stadium of the modern quality of Bankwest, now that would have been something to celebrate.
Tribalism is BS when most sydney suburban "rivalry games" are getting less than 15k.Despite a new stadium Sydney ended up with the lowest crowd avg of the RL regions again, depsite all the advatgaes of two sets of fans being able to attend a majority of games in the city.

Mind you Beattie came in on a ticket of expand or die and got nowhere with that so probably shouldn't hold too much stead in what these blokes say.,

That's in fact a confirmation about outer suburban teams needing infrastructure upgrades.Ask yourself why the averages are less or around 15K, scheduling and infrastructure are the two main issues.
But it's OK to cream ourselves in half filled modern stadiums.
Hence the very need to upgrade these grounds .

We'd kill for the crowds at College Football in the US.
We couldn't get a half full stadium in Melbourne, despite an AFL match next door.AFL happens regularly next door.

We can't fill Suncorp now ,30,00 average for a city that is rugby league homeland 2m.Let alone C Bus on the GC. And the Cowboys averages were all down.So blaming suburban grounds all the time, when they have the tradition and have shown to get crowds with proper scheduling, leaves yourself open.

With Bankwest we have one 30,000 crowd.And sh*t scheduling so is it any wonder the averages are less, than the regions.The only region that can hold its head up high is Newcastle and Canberra.And when Canberra is way down the ladder, their crowds drop like stone.And ignoring as you do one of the moist recognised and followed teams the Dragons whose average was well down because of performances.

Tribalism is not BS, it shows you have NFI about attitudes of Sydney fans.
And the Perth stadium is not a modern stadium by Bankwest standards.It's probably a little better than the current cowboy's ground.And they won't have rivalry rounds.
Thus its horses for courses.

V'Landys is not Beattie or Grant .He has screwed book keeping firms for a bigger slice of the cake and has done so already for the NRL, according to Beattie.He has made the Everest race the big event on the racing calendar.
He may not be a world beater, but he has a better chance of getting a decent TV deal, than the Gallops,Smiths,Grants etc have done, under current economic circumstances.

It wouldn't matter who takes over the role, you'd still find fault before open is put to paper.

 

[taipan]

Thats why I said the majority, not all. They have 4 heartland clubs struggling and needing bigger payouts but 10 that are funded significantly less than the expansion clubs.

Heres a list of the centralised money payments, as you can see the heartland clubs are the ones who need the least money generally allowing the AFL to invest in expansion and propping up the few failing heartland clubs. Problem we have is that most of our heartland clubs are just as financially troubled as the expansion ones! In many cases even more so.

AFL club grants

Heartland clubs ($mill)
West Coast 10.9
Collingwood 10.8
Hawthorn 11.1
Essendon 11.6
Freo 11.4
Geelong 11.4
Adelaide Crows 11.6
Richmond 12
Carlton 12.7
Port Adelaide 14.7
Melbourne 15.6
Nth Melb 15.9
West Bulldogs 16.3
St Kilda 19.1

Expansion Clubs
Sydney 13.1
Brisbane 22.3
GWS 22.7
Gold Coast 22.8

Which is a point I've been arguing on other threads.Why should a club like Brisbane with all its advantages ,receive the same grants as smaller clubs?

By giving the smaller clubs bigger grants,you can stipulate that the extra dosh is spent towards better infrastructure.
I'm no fan of socialism, but in this case it seems sensible and responsible to me.

 

[Perth Red]

That's in fact a confirmation about outer suburban teams needing infrastructure upgrades.Ask yourself why the averages are less or around 15K, scheduling and infrastructure are the two main issues.
But it's OK to cream ourselves in half filled modern stadiums.
Hence the very need to upgrade these grounds .

We'd kill for the crowds at College Football in the US.
We couldn't get a half full stadium in Melbourne, despite an AFL match next door.AFL happens regularly next door.

We can't fill Suncorp now ,30,00 average for a city that is rugby league homeland 2m.Let alone C Bus on the GC. And the Cowboys averages were all down.So blaming suburban grounds all the time, when they have the tradition and have shown to get crowds with proper scheduling, leaves yourself open.

With Bankwest we have one 30,000 crowd.And sh*t scheduling so is it any wonder the averages are less, than the regions.The only region that can hold its head up high is Newcastle and Canberra.And when Canberra is way down the ladder, their crowds drop like stone.And ignoring as you do one of the moist recognised and followed teams the Dragons whose average was well down because of performances.

Tribalism is not BS, it shows you have NFI about attitudes of Sydney fans.
And the Perth stadium is not a modern stadium by Bankwest standards.It's probably a little better than the current cowboy's ground.And they won't have rivalry rounds.
Thus its horses for courses.

V'Landys is not Beattie or Grant .He has screwed book keeping firms for a bigger slice of the cake and has done so already for the NRL, according to Beattie.He has made the Everest race the big event on the racing calendar.
He may not be a world beater, but he has a better chance of getting a decent TV deal, than the Gallops,Smiths,Grants etc have done, under current economic circumstances.

It wouldn't matter who takes over the role, you'd still find fault before open is put to paper.

So wheres the $100mill plus a ground going to come from to upgrade shark park, penrith,and Brookvale? Yes ideally you would all get $150mill to upgrade to 25k decent stadiums but is it likely its ever going to happen?

No, half filled modern stadiums dont look great either, though Id still say a half full AAMI or bankwest is better image for the game to portray than a 3/4 full suburban ground that makes us look like a semi pro sport.

I never mentioned college football, I said high school which is on par in some places with Sydney crowds, how embarrassing is that?

But they dont, the avg crowd at suburban grounds in Sydney this year is around 12k. If we were filling these joints you'd have some sort of argument!

Tribalism is a myth when only 13k or less people turn out for a game between two rivals.

HBF Park is half done, under no illusions about that but it holds 19k very comfortably in all seats with decent amount of cover and great rake on the stands and can fit in 21k. If I was the NRL one of the conditions Id be putting on the WA Govt is to get the west stand rebuilt within 5 years for an NRL team entering to get capacity up around 26k and new corporate suites. Not sure how you can say that this is no better than the old NQ stadium?



compared to

 

[Perth Red]

Which is a point I've been arguing on other threads.Why should a club like Brisbane with all its advantages ,receive the same grants as smaller clubs?

By giving the smaller clubs bigger grants,you can stipulate that the extra dosh is spent towards better infrastructure.
I'm no fan of socialism, but in this case it seems sensible and responsible to me.

Totally agree but we only have one Brisbane and possibly one Storm making decent money then the ground starts to get very shaky in terms of club revenue and sustainability. Who else are you going to reduce the tv grant to?

There in lies the problem, keep the many mouths, most of which need a lot of feeding and dont grow or cut the mouths to feed the growth. That is the very real and very difficult position the NRL finds itself in due to clubs not being very financially sound.

 

[taipan]

So wheres the $100mill plus a ground going to come from to upgrade shark park, penrith,and Brookvale? Yes ideally you would all get $150mill to upgrade to 25k decent stadiums but is it likely its ever going to happen?

No, half filled modern stadiums dont look great either, though Id still say a half full AAMI or bankwest is better image for the game to portray than a 3/4 full suburban ground that makes us look like a semi pro sport.

I never mentioned college football, I said high school which is on par in some places with Sydney crowds, how embarrassing is that?

But they dont, the avg crowd at suburban grounds in Sydney this year is around 12k. If we were filling these joints you'd have some sort of argument!

Tribalism is a myth when only 13k or less people turn out for a game between two rivals.

HBF Park is half done, under no illusions about that but it holds 19k very comfortably in all seats with decent amount of cover and great rake on the stands and can fit in 21k. If I was the NRL one of the conditions Id be putting on the WA Govt is to get the west stand rebuilt within 5 years for an NRL team entering to get capacity up around 26k and new corporate suites. Not sure how you can say that this is no better than the old NQ stadium?

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Who said they needed $100m straight away? The Centre of Excellence will be incorporated beside and as an adjunct to the ET stand.The Govt has provided around $12m grant toward that.Involves extra seating ,and I understand corp boxes.

They will have $18m invested as a result of the finalisation with the developers, and a new Leagues club paid for, no debt.A new Leagues club has a far better chance of making more money than the current run down one.Especially with a large retail complex attached and another 200 units attached.
The retail and new residential won't be completed for two years for a start.

No half full stadium looks great, if you have a modern stadium and its half full, people would be thinking they've got dis and still they don't turn up.

Crowds are embarrassing when they are sh*t anywhere and that includes Perth. You tried to make an excuse for the rain, when there was a far lesser crowd.

So bringing in high school whatever football ,in the USA as a comparison, with huge city populations and suburban populations is a bit rich.
What these crowds at games such as at Leichhardt shows, there is an undercurrent fo support that needs encouraging on a regular basis.Oh and this involved a merged club.

You ignored ANZ ,the SCG ,scheduling,Thursday night football all impacting Sydney crowds.And some of the biggest Fox Tv ratings have involved the Sharks.You know the mob that pays a hefty swag for the rights
Conversely if we were filling the regionals and interstate stadiums with their all seaters ,all the time you'd have an argument.They don't so your argument is no different to mine.In fact many have far better .
transport infrastructure. that should assist people getting there.

I repeat tribalism is related to tradition, something new clubs don't have yet.And if you didn't see tribalism at Leichhardt,when just about everyone else did, you need to go to OPSM.

Well you get HBF up and running with cover, and don't whine if you get sh*t crowds due to weather or poor form, and ensure you also have a Leagues club that provides social activities and financial assistance to the sport.Melbourne has a 30k capacity.love to see a 25k average.
Let's face it how many fans are going to come from Perth for games on the East Coast? Just like how many Cowboy fans come to Sydney for NRL games.It's all part of the jigsaw,

Both Cowboys and HBF grounds have seating but a lot of open seating with no cover.When it rains heavily in Townsville this does affect crowds, as it has done in Perth.And I suggest neither area would like a Thursday night game or indeed a 6pm Friday night one, if they wanted to take their families.

 

[taipan]

Totally agree but we only have one Brisbane and possibly one Storm making decent money then the ground starts to get very shaky in terms of club revenue and sustainability. Who else are you going to reduce the tv grant to?

There in lies the problem, keep the many mouths, most of which need a lot of feeding and dont grow or cut the mouths to feed the growth. That is the very real and very difficult position the NRL finds itself in due to clubs not being very financially sound.

Brisbane make the money, because they have the whole of Brisbane to themselves and have Suncorp with all the corporate facilities.They haven't paid toward the construction, they just rent.
Storm have private smart owners, yet still can't fill the stadium on a regular basis..In fact their main sponsor Purple Bricks is pulling out of Australia, because they cannot make a go of it.
Getting new sponsors in AFL mad Melbourne appears not that easy.
Storm is in pioneer territory ,hitting their grants is plain dumb.Brisbane is a different kettle of fish.

If as ch9 suggests and I'm not 100% sure, they want out of Thursday night football,that his going to make a hell of a difference to crowds.Conversely it may affect TV revenue, and that is why I am for 18 teams, with a national feel.

 

[Perth Red]

Who said they needed $100m straight away? The Centre of Excellence will be incorporated beside and as an adjunct to the ET stand.The Govt has provided around $12m grant toward that.Involves extra seating ,and I understand corp boxes.

They will have $18m invested as a result of the finalisation with the developers, and a new Leagues club paid for, no debt.A new Leagues club has a far better chance of making more money than the current run down one.Especially with a large retail complex attached and another 200 units attached.
The retail and new residential won't be completed for two years for a start.

No half full stadium looks great, if you have a modern stadium and its half full, people would be thinking they've got dis and still they don't turn up.

Crowds are embarrassing when they are sh*t anywhere and that includes Perth. You tried to make an excuse for the rain, when there was a far lesser crowd.

So bringing in high school whatever football ,in the USA as a comparison, with huge city populations and suburban populations is a bit rich.
What these crowds at games such as at Leichhardt shows, there is an undercurrent fo support that needs encouraging on a regular basis.Oh and this involved a merged club.

You ignored ANZ ,the SCG ,scheduling,Thursday night football all impacting Sydney crowds.And some of the biggest Fox Tv ratings have involved the Sharks.You know the mob that pays a hefty swag for the rights
Conversely if we were filling the regionals and interstate stadiums with their all seaters ,all the time you'd have an argument.They don't so your argument is no different to mine.In fact many have far better .
transport infrastructure. that should assist people getting there.

I repeat tribalism is related to tradition, something new clubs don't have yet.And if you didn't see tribalism at Leichhardt,when just about everyone else did, you need to go to OPSM.

Well you get HBF up and running with cover, and don't whine if you get sh*t crowds due to weather or poor form, and ensure you also have a Leagues club that provides social activities and financial assistance to the sport.Melbourne has a 30k capacity.love to see a 25k average.
Let's face it how many fans are going to come from Perth for games on the East Coast? Just like how many Cowboy fans come to Sydney for NRL games.It's all part of the jigsaw,

Both Cowboys and HBF grounds have seating but a lot of open seating with no cover.When it rains heavily in Townsville this does affect crowds, as it has done in Perth.And I suggest neither area would like a Thursday night game or indeed a 6pm Friday night one, if they wanted to take their families.

It took $115mill to take Perth stadium from where the suburban stadiums currently are to where it is now, and its not finished, so yes it is going to take that much to get the 4-5 sydney suburban grounds up to any sort of modern professional standard. How long do you think it is going to take to get SHark park to a 25k stadium with 20k seats undercover? Yes your getting a refreshed LKC and have $18mill in bank, thats great but it in no way shape or form is going to get Shark Park up to where it should be if we are a serious $1billion sport. And your not orphans in that.

No it doesnt, I agreed with you but a half full AAMI or Bankwest at least looks like we are more than park footy and has the potential to lead us to a stronger place.

Yes they are but Sydney is supposed to be the heartland of the game, you know our strongest location, the place where our strong foundations support our growth strategy. It is failing in this regards and you cant hide behind crowds in Canberra or Auckland, or a rainy Perth for that matter as an excuse. So do we limp along in Sydney or do something radical?

Perth has a capacity of around 15k undercover, 1300 smiles had less than 3k so again your suggesting there was little difference between HBF park and 1300 smiles is just wrong. Thats before we go into the modern toilets, food outlets big screens, changing rooms, recovery and physio facilities etc etc at HBF Park.
KO times are irrelevant to the quality of the stadium which is what you were drawing a comparison on.

One off big crowds (and lets be honest 19k is hardly a big crowd in the grand scheme of professional sport) does not make up for all the sub 13k crowds featuring all Sydney clashes, which would suggest that tribalism is at best selective for the odd occasion or more likely not that big a motivator in someones decision to attend a game.Ironically the much disliked and maligned ANZ and SCG both drew bigger crowd avg's this season than the suburban ground avg. That's how much fans love suburban grounds!

 

[Perth Red]

Brisbane make the money, because they have the whole of Brisbane to themselves and have Suncorp with all the corporate facilities.They haven't paid toward the construction, they just rent.
Storm have private smart owners, yet still can't fill the stadium on a regular basis..In fact their main sponsor Purple Bricks is pulling out of Australia, because they cannot make a go of it.
Getting new sponsors in AFL mad Melbourne appears not that easy.
Storm is in pioneer territory ,hitting their grants is plain dumb.Brisbane is a different kettle of fish.

If as ch9 suggests and I'm not 100% sure, they want out of Thursday night football,that his going to make a hell of a difference to crowds.Conversely it may affect TV revenue, and that is why I am for 18 teams, with a national feel.

So who would you cut the club grant to in order to fund expansion sides or struggling heartland sides?

 

[taipan]

It took $115mill to take Perth stadium from where the suburban stadiums currently are to where it is now, and its not finished, so yes it is going to take that much to get the 4-5 sydney suburban grounds up to any sort of modern professional standard. How long do you think it is going to take to get SHark park to a 25k stadium with 20k seats undercover? Yes your getting a refreshed LKC and have $18mill in bank, thats great but it in no way shape or form is going to get Shark Park up to where it should be if we are a serious $1billion sport. And your not orphans in that.

No it doesnt, I agreed with you but a half full AAMI or Bankwest at least looks like we are more than park footy and has the potential to lead us to a stronger place.

Yes they are but Sydney is supposed to be the heartland of the game, you know our strongest location, the place where our strong foundations support our growth strategy. It is failing in this regards and you cant hide behind crowds in Canberra or Auckland, or a rainy Perth for that matter as an excuse. So do we limp along in Sydney or do something radical?

Perth has a capacity of around 15k undercover, 1300 smiles had less than 3k so again your suggesting there was little difference between HBF park and 1300 smiles is just wrong. Thats before we go into the modern toilets, food outlets big screens, changing rooms, recovery and physio facilities etc etc at HBF Park.
KO times are irrelevant to the quality of the stadium which is what you were drawing a comparison on.

One off big crowds (and lets be honest 19k is hardly a big crowd in the grand scheme of professional sport) does not make up for all the sub 13k crowds featuring all Sydney clashes, which would suggest that tribalism is at best selective for the odd occasion or more likely not that big a motivator in someones decision to attend a game.Ironically the much disliked and maligned ANZ and SCG both drew bigger crowd avg's this season than the suburban ground avg. That's how much fans love suburban grounds!

The original Perth stadium looked nothing like Shark Park.Nor have 900 units around it, with a huge retail complex, nor a leagues club backing on to the field.
Any way we can too and fro as much as we like, but now Greenberg in addition to V'Landys has noted there's no appetite to kick teams out of the comp.They are looking at the footprint ATM, and even admitted things like conferences are on the table.Which would mean 18 teams .
From a Tv perspective with crappy big and small stadiums its is the heart of rugby league, not supposed to be.

There are still areas in Perth with no cover.
Last line is utter tosh.If it's raining and the kick off time is 6oclock, you are more likely to go to a new stadium with cover locally, than one without cover.
And we have a new stadium in Western Sydney, and you are suggesting KO times are irrelevant.So Eels fans who work in the Sydney CBD are not handicapped by traffic to get there on time.They would have got more on a later slot or a Sunday afternoon.

19K is a big crowd for a Perth NRL team, with more seating ,so cut the crap.If the code average 18-19,000 we'd be over the moon.
Yeah well obviously you saw the crowd of less than 10,000 Dogs v Broncos last weekend.FFS,And the poor crowds at the SCG.And the crappy crowds involving the Dragons.
The Storm didn't get 13k for their Minor premiership celebrations in a city nearly as big as Sydney.
You can nitpick ,and I can do likewise.Except here we have a far better idea of the crowd problems and some of of the issues, which you simply don't.

 

[taipan]

So who would you cut the club grant to in order to fund expansion sides or struggling heartland sides?

There should be no need to cut grants, just for the sole purpose to fund expansion.Revenue from the NRL should do that via the next TV deal, extra sponsorship monies with a more national code, and increased revenue form other sources such as their growing digital arm.
The cut in the Bronco's grant ,should go back to NRL general revenue or used to assist rl in Qld regional areas.No other club has the privilege of 1 team in a rl city of 2m and making money doing so.
Remember the Storm earlier on received millions from News and the Nrl to establish the team, and in teh end they needed private equity to keep it alive.

 

[Perth Red]

The original Perth stadium looked nothing like Shark Park.Nor have 900 units around it, with a huge retail complex, nor a leagues club backing on to the field.
Any way we can too and fro as much as we like, but now Greenberg in addition to V'Landys has noted there's no appetite to kick teams out of the comp.They are looking at the footprint ATM, and even admitted things like conferences are on the table.Which would mean 18 teams .
From a Tv perspective with crappy big and small stadiums its is the heart of rugby league, not supposed to be.

There are still areas in Perth with no cover.
Last line is utter tosh.If it's raining and the kick off time is 6oclock, you are more likely to go to a new stadium with cover locally, than one without cover.
And we have a new stadium in Western Sydney, and you are suggesting KO times are irrelevant.So Eels fans who work in the Sydney CBD are not handicapped by traffic to get there on time.They would have got more on a later slot or a Sunday afternoon.

19K is a big crowd for a Perth NRL team, with more seating ,so cut the crap.If the code average 18-19,000 we'd be over the moon.
Yeah well obviously you saw the crowd of less than 10,000 Dogs v Broncos last weekend.FFS,And the poor crowds at the SCG.And the crappy crowds involving the Dragons.
The Storm didn't get 13k for their Minor premiership celebrations in a city nearly as big as Sydney.
You can nitpick ,and I can do likewise.Except here we have a far better idea of the crowd problems and some of of the issues, which you simply don't.

4/5 of the Sydney suburban based clubs sat in the bottom half of the crowd avg table and all of them be,ow the nrl crowd avg. Facts don’t lie. But yeh the new chair likes suburban grounds, that’s going to be great for the game.

Shark park needs a massive new main stand and a major end stand to get to 25k with 15-17k undercover seating and modern fan facilities, apartments around the ground and a refurbed LC isn’t going to help your crowd avg!

Like I said Sydney should be the strength the game is built on but it simply isn’t and is showing no signs it will be in the current set up of the game there anytime soon.

 

[Perth Red]

There should be no need to cut grants, just for the sole purpose to fund expansion.Revenue from the NRL should do that via the next TV deal, extra sponsorship monies with a more national code, and increased revenue form other sources such as their growing digital arm.
The cut in the Bronco's grant ,should go back to NRL general revenue or used to assist rl in Qld regional areas.No other club has the privilege of 1 team in a rl city of 2m and making money doing so.
Remember the Storm earlier on received millions from News and the Nrl to establish the team, and in teh end they needed private equity to keep it alive.

So you want to penalise the only financially successful club we have? Makes sense lol.