Rationalisation of Sydney

[Walter sobchak]

They have been trying make Campbelltown work for over 70 years

In what way? Getting the locals to attend?

 

[The Great Dane]

In what way? Getting the locals to attend?

Mate Newtown, the Magpies, and currently the Tigers have all tried to make something in Campbelltown and it's never worked out any better than any other small suburban club.

But more importantly, there's no way that the NSW government is going to build a Parramatta style modern stadium in Campbelltown (or any other outer suburb either), and it's a nonsense pipe dream to suggest that it's even reasonably possible.

 

[Walter sobchak]

Mate Newtown, the Magpies, and currently the Tigers have all tried to make something in Campbelltown and it's never worked out any better than any other small suburban club.

But more importantly, there's no way that the NSW government is going to build a Parramatta style modern stadium in Campbelltown (or any other outer suburb either), and it's a nonsense pipe dream to suggest that it's even reasonably possible.

So what you’re saying is that Campbeltown is NSW’s equivalent to the Gold Coast?

I was under the impression that Campbeltown was a happening booming place with a increasing population and New A-league franchise coming to town. Maybe this could see the stadium get a revamp?

 

[The Great Dane]

So what you’re saying is that Campbeltown is NSW’s equivalent to the Gold Coast?

No it's not like the GC at all. . .

In a time when the thing the NRL needs is less suburban clubs, Campbelltown is just another suburb of Sydney that isn't really all that much different to any of the others. So if you were going to move a club you wouldn't move them to Campbelltown, you'd move them out of Sydney altogether.

I was under the impression that Campbeltown was a happening booming place with a increasing population and New A-league franchise coming to town. Maybe this could see the stadium get a revamp?

Sure it's population is increasing, so is most of the rest of outer Western Sydney, but no matter how big it grows it's always going to be a suburban region in Western Sydney, and the NSW government have made it extremely clear that they are only going to support centralised stadiums from now on, and whether Macarthur FC exists or not that's not going to change.

BTW, the only reason that Macarthur FC and Western United got licenses is because the A-league chooses which teams join their competition not based on who has the best bid, but based on who is offering the largest license fee, and they offered the A-league the to two largest license fees.

 

[Walter sobchak]

No it's not like the GC at all. . .

In a time when the thing the NRL needs is less suburban clubs, Campbelltown is just another suburb of Sydney that isn't really all that much different to any of the others. So if you were going to move a club you wouldn't move them to Campbelltown, you'd move them out of Sydney altogether.

Sure it's population is increasing, so is most of the rest of outer Western Sydney, but no matter how big it grows it's always going to be a suburban region in Western Sydney, and the NSW government have made it extremely clear that they are only going to support centralised stadiums from now on, and whether Macarthur FC exists or not that's not going to change.

BTW, the only reason that Macarthur FC and Western United got licenses is because the A-league chooses which teams join their competition not based on who has the best bid, but based on who is offering the largest license fee, and they offered the A-league the to two largest license fees.

Interesting. Would you say that Canterbury, Penrith and Parramatta are enough to shore up western Sydney?

Do you also think that it’s best for the west tigers to relocate to either Perth or somewhere else?

 

[The Great Dane]

Interesting. Would you say that Canterbury, Penrith and Parramatta are enough to shore up western Sydney?

If you took your time and planned it right you could get away with one Inner West team (Parra or Canterbury) and one Outer West team (probably Penrith) in the NRL.

You'd have to build up the second tier's exposure so that the excess clubs have somewhere to go, because relocations will only end in tears in the NRL, but it could be done.

Whether you'd necessarily want to do that is a different question though.

Do you also think that it’s best for the west tigers to relocate to either Perth or somewhere else?

Relocations only work properly when the club totally abandons the old market for the new market. The problem with that is that, outside of Americans, everybody is in denial about that. So what you end up with is clubs trying to maintain two disparate markets at the same time, and in trying to appeal to both markets the clubs end up only alienating everybody and leaving themselves with effectively no fan-base, which leads to either a very expensive shitshow that has to wait for generational change before things settle down and they start to come good (like the Swans), or the club relocating back to their old market.

The NRL can't afford multi-generational projects like the Swans, so the only way that I'd ever accept a relocation (especially a forced relocation, which is the only way it'd ever happen anyway) is if the NRL team was to totally re-brand and disengage from their old market. Any other way and it'd be an expensive and damaging a waste of time, that'd start coming apart as soon as the club missed the finals and the "rumours" in the Daily Telegraph were that the club was going to relocate back to Sydney.

Building the second tier up to the point that it's fully broadcast and has reasonable national coverage, and then relegating clubs into it would be a much better way forward.

 

[taipan]

They have been trying make Campbelltown work for over 70 years

You won't get full community support and attendance with a few token games each year.It's something a full season builds over time.

 

[siv]

Mate Newtown, the Magpies, and currently the Tigers have all tried to make something in Campbelltown and it's never worked out any better than any other small suburban club.

But more importantly, there's no way that the NSW government is going to build a Parramatta style modern stadium in Campbelltown (or any other outer suburb either), and it's a nonsense pipe dream to suggest that it's even reasonably possible.

And before that it was rhe Luverpool Hirnets and Parramatta Southern Districts or just Southern Districts

Throw the Dogs Oasis project

And then there was the Narellan RL country club