The Case for Adelaide.....

[Perth Red]

1. He got nearly as much out of Ch9 alone as the entire media deal in 2013
2. The $185million FTA deal was bigger than the AFL's for the first time ever
3. He was not given chance to show what he could do with Fox

The only bad part of the deal was the Fox part and he didn't negotiate that! Should have given him a shot and if he failed then he should have been shown the door. Weak as pss commission!

Those are the facts.

ps we then appointed an in house RL person in his place, how did that work out for you?
Smith was appointed to bring business acumen and fresh eyes to the sport, both of which he achieved. It was an exciting time of possibility with the game goign back to independence. Just another missed opportunity.

Anyway we are well off the hopes of Adelaide one day getting an NRL team so I'll leave it there!

 

[Bring back John Fifita]

 

[Get Rid of The Donkeys]

Adelaide Devils has a nice ring to it.

Adelaide Avalanche?

Maybe something to do with wind since that's what the they use for power when the electricity isn't out?

Adelaide Cyclones
Adelaide Dust Devils
Adelaide Tornadoes

 

[Perth Red]

Interestingly NRL SA still use the Rams brand for the rep team.

 

[taipan]

1. He got nearly as much out of Ch9 alone as the entire media deal in 2013
2. The $185million FTA deal was bigger than the AFL's for the first time ever
3. He was not given chance to show what he could do with Fox

The only bad part of the deal was the Fox part and he didn't negotiate that! Should have given him a shot and if he failed then he should have been shown the door. Weak as pss commission!

Those are the facts.

ps we then appointed an in house RL person in his place, how did that work out for you?
Smith was appointed to bring business acumen and fresh eyes to the sport, both of which he achieved. It was an exciting time of possibility with the game goign back to independence. Just another missed opportunity.

Anyway we are well off the hopes of Adelaide one day getting an NRL team so I'll leave it there!

Which turned out absolutely meaningless, as Foxtel ended up paying us for the left overs and your mob AFL got a bonus $300m.He got our major broadcast partner offside, thus pushing his preferences to the AFL
2Check the AFL's final figure.
3.He ignored advice from the lead adviser Knox of Credit Suisse contracted by the NRL Commission, thinking he knew best and it blew up in his face,They are the facts..

Bad analogy .The (the in-house lawyer) was not involved in rugby league like a Gil or Vlad in the AFL(who you continually laud) was appointed when the NRL was 50 owned by News,I have spent a forest of paper bagging him. He was trying to plant feet on both sides of the ownership river.Part owners tend to want a decent say.

Nothing wrong with business acumen, but sporting business is( due to the personalities/politics/involved a different kettle of fish than a Bank.And I spent 8 years in a Bank.When it came too dealing with that side and his lack of experience ,it came back to haunt him .Public companies are answerable to their shareholders and indeed the public.
A major grocery organisation is hardly going to appoint a sporting administrator in preference to one who has experience in that field.

Smith had responsibility over the NRL clubs, he was a raw recruit and it showed.No good having fresh eyes, if you look at your operation through a fog.Quite happy to have all these new consultants around him, with little to show for it.No expansion,bush struggling.

He got the clubs offiside,also his major broadcast partner,Grant and appears the Board through ignoring advice by Credit Suisse.He cast a lonely figure at his "beaut" ch9 announcement, now one understands why.

Have to laugh at your never "given a chance" he had a couple of years, yet you habitually bag other senior appointments who have been around for a few months.Once again whiteanting your own arguments.You haven't V'Lad a chance FFS.


Thus I will leave it there, as I'm more concerned about the long term survival of the code. Not your short term expediency.

 

[Perth Red]

Which turned out absolutely meaningless, as Foxtel ended up paying us for the left overs and your mob AFL got a bonus $300m.He got our major broadcast partner offside, thus pushing his preferences to the AFL
2Check the AFL's final figure.
3.He ignored advice from the lead adviser Knox of Credit Suisse contracted by the NRL Commission, thinking he knew best and it blew up in his face,They are the facts..

Bad analogy .The (the in-house lawyer) was not involved in rugby league like a Gil or Vlad in the AFL(who you continually laud) was appointed when the NRL was 50 owned by News,I have spent a forest of paper bagging him. He was trying to plant feet on both sides of the ownership river.Part owners tend to want a decent say.

Nothing wrong with business acumen, but sporting business is( due to the personalities/politics/involved a different kettle of fish than a Bank.And I spent 8 years in a Bank.When it came too dealing with that side and his lack of experience ,it came back to haunt him .Public companies are answerable to their shareholders and indeed the public.
A major grocery organisation is hardly going to appoint a sporting administrator in preference to one who has experience in that field.

Smith had responsibility over the NRL clubs, he was a raw recruit and it showed.No good having fresh eyes, if you look at your operation through a fog.Quite happy to have all these new consultants around him, with little to show for it.No expansion,bush struggling.

He got the clubs offiside,also his major broadcast partner,Grant and appears the Board through ignoring advice by Credit Suisse.He cast a lonely figure at his "beaut" ch9 announcement, now one understands why.

Have to laugh at your never "given a chance" he had a couple of years, yet you habitually bag other senior appointments who have been around for a few months.Once again whiteanting your own arguments.You haven't V'Lad a chance FFS.


Thus I will leave it there, as I'm more concerned about the long term survival of the code. Not your short term expediency.

afl has always got more, probably always will. Would foxsports have paid an extra $30mill a year to nrl for Saturday nights? The Ch9 deal was too good to turn down, the fox dummy spit should have been dealt With the contempt it deserved.

 

[Get Rid of The Donkeys]

Put the Rams in the Queensland Cup and televise games into SA on 9Gem. It will make the competition more interesting.

 

[taipan]

afl has always got more, probably always will. Would foxsports have paid an extra $30mill a year to nrl for Saturday nights? The Ch9 deal was too good to turn down, the fox dummy spit should have been dealt With the contempt it deserved.

We can be assured Fox paid less than Smith would have expected ,because ch9 got the best of what was on offer ATT.
And rest assured AFL got extra because we upset Rupert ,which would not have otherwise have occurred if Smith had taken notice of the Credit Suisse advisor.
The ch9 deal showed exactly the naivety of Smith giving them the best part, as he no doubt expected Fox would come to he party with a big offer for the balance.
And treating the dummy spit with contempt by Murdoch would have achieved what? Extra LOL? Everyone with half an idea of world media, knows how the Murdochs operate, you screw them, they return serve as happened.

He was left on his own at the presser with Gyngell, that says a lot the Commission were not backing him.

There is an old saying attributed to Churchill/Lincoln." Success is the ability to move from one failure to another without losing enthusiasm."

 

[Bring back John Fifita]

Put the Rams in the Queensland Cup and televise games into SA on 9Gem. It will make the competition more interesting.

Not bad, don't mind that idea.

 

[greenBV4]

Put the Rams in the Queensland Cup and televise games into SA on 9Gem. It will make the competition more interesting.

Qld or NSW, Id like to see the NSW Cup get an overhaul to bring it more inline with the Qld Cup (CRL clubs and a couple expansion locations) I'd also like to see a Victorian club return the 2nd tier (Thunderbolts?)

Vic vs SA in the NSW cup could generate a bit of interest (as far as second tier matches go)

 

[Get Rid of The Donkeys]

Not bad, don't mind that idea.

It increases the value of the Queensland Cup and allows Adelaide to develop a following at a more affordable level.

 

[Get Rid of The Donkeys]

Qld or NSW, Id like to see the NSW Cup get an overhaul to bring it more inline with the Qld Cup (CRL clubs and a couple expansion locations) I'd also like to see a Victorian club return the 2nd tier (Thunderbolts?)

Vic vs SA in the NSW cup could generate a bit of interest (as far as second tier matches go)

I'd love to see the Queensland Cup become more national. Adding teams from Adelaide, Melbourne and Perth will increase its audience base and attract more money from sponsors. A viable nationwide second tier competition will grow the game organically, which is the only way to improve its position in the affiliate states.

 

[The Great Dane]

Having Adelaide, Perth, or any other "non-heartland" club in the 2nd tier would be great, but where is the money for it going to come from?

With the way that the lower tiers are structured it's borderline impossible to monetise the clubs in them, which means that any club that runs a team in them basically has to accept that they are going to make a huge loss on the team yearly and there's nothing they can do about it.

If you're from an expansion market like Adelaide or Perth you probably don't have that kind of money to lose each year, but even if you do, at that point why bother wasting it on a NSW/Qld cup team that will never be sustainable when you could use that same money and resources to bid for an NRL team that is much more likely to be sustainable?

If you want to see growth in the lower tiers then you need to make it at least possible to run a reasonably sustainable team in them without being partnered with an NRL club, and preferably it needs to be at least hypothetically possible to run at a profit. For that to happen you'd need to totally restructure the competitions and get much better broadcasting deals.

 

[Get Rid of The Donkeys]

Isn't the NRL now in charge of NRLSA, NRLVIC and NRLWA?

Makes it easier to have the NRL fund grassroots development in the affiliate states from U16, U18 to Queensland Cup by having them play against the best of Queensland. It will be far cheaper than tossing money at an extra 2 NRL clubs from these states and provide genuine development at the grassroots level, gifting kids from these states an opportunity to make it in the NRL some day.

The only NRL club that makes good coin is the Broncos.

 

[Perth Red]

Having Adelaide, Perth, or any other "non-heartland" club in the 2nd tier would be great, but where is the money for it going to come from?

With the way that the lower tiers are structured it's borderline impossible to monetise the clubs in them, which means that any club that runs a team in them basically has to accept that they are going to make a huge loss on the team yearly and there's nothing they can do about it.

If you're from an expansion market like Adelaide or Perth you probably don't have that kind of money to lose each year, but even if you do, at that point why bother wasting it on a NSW/Qld cup team that will never be sustainable when you could use that same money and resources to bid for an NRL team that is much more likely to be sustainable?

If you want to see growth in the lower tiers then you need to make it at least possible to run a reasonably sustainable team in them without being partnered with an NRL club, and preferably it needs to be at least hypothetically possible to run at a profit. For that to happen you'd need to totally restructure the competitions and get much better broadcasting deals.

There's two big problems when people say that expansion clubs should be in second tier. 1. The second tier doesn't generate any revenue for clubs. Fans don't pay to watch it, tv doesn't pay to televise it and sponsors arent going to pay much for hardly any exposure. 2. Talent isnt available to be competitive. That means that you would need to bring in players just so you didnt get flogged every week, and whats the point of that?

The only time we should consider expansion clubs in second tier if it is a part of the launch of a new NRL club and they should come in two years prior with NRL funding to set up the infrastructure and start building the fringe squad for the launch season.

Much better that the millions the NRL would have to spend on second tier expansion clubs was spent on development officers and schools programs and building the local competition in those states

 

[Get Rid of The Donkeys]

There's no reason the NRL cannot fund NRLSA and NRLWA to field U16 and U18 teams under the brand Adelaide Rams and West Coast Pirates. If you're against that then you truly don't care about expansion, as that is the best way to get kids playing the game. After 5 or 10 years they can field a team in the Queensland Cup. They need to field a team in the Queensland Cup so that players who don't get picked up by other senior clubs in Queensland and NSW aren't lost to the game.

NRL clubs don't make their owners rich. Whatever comes in from gate receipts and sponsorship deals is spent on running the club so it can compete.

If you want all the benefits of being in the NRL you need to pay your dues to the system that creates the talent. Melbourne needs to start pulling its weight and field its own teams in the Queensland Cup. Smaller Sydney clubs do it at their own expense, so there's no reason Melbourne cannot do the same. Adelaide and Perth need to do this before they're admitted into the NRL. We cannot afford to fund another parasite like the Storm for 20 years.

If Adelaide, Melbourne and Perth are so valuable and better for the game than "suburban Sydney teams", like you say, then why do you expect clubs from Brisbane and Sydney to pay their bills?

 

[greenBV4]

There's no reason the NRL cannot fund NRLSA and NRLWA to field U16 and U18 teams under the brand Adelaide Rams and West Coast Pirates. If you're against that then you truly don't care about expansion, as that is the best way to get kids playing the game. After 5 or 10 years they can field a team in the Queensland Cup. They need to field a team in the Queensland Cup so that players who don't get picked up by other senior players aren't lost to the game.

Im pretty sure this is an U18 pirates team in the NSW comp, and as well as the Thunderbolts - nothing from adelaide though

But yeah the comments are right, a team from Adelaide or Perth wouldn't survive long term in the 2nd tier cups in their current configuration - there would need to be changes to the comp/s or a light at the end of the tunnel for an NRL team

 

[greenBV4]

There's no reason the NRL cannot fund NRLSA and NRLWA to field U16 and U18 teams under the brand Adelaide Rams and West Coast Pirates. If you're against that then you truly don't care about expansion, as that is the best way to get kids playing the game. After 5 or 10 years they can field a team in the Queensland Cup. They need to field a team in the Queensland Cup so that players who don't get picked up by other senior clubs in Queensland and NSW aren't lost to the game.

NRL clubs don't make their owners rich. Whatever comes in from gate receipts and sponsorship deals is spent on running the club so it can compete.

If you want all the benefits of being in the NRL you need to pay your dues to the system that creates the talent. Melbourne needs to start pulling its weight and field its own teams in the Queensland Cup. Smaller Sydney clubs do it at their own expense, so there's no reason Melbourne cannot do the same. Adelaide and Perth need to do this before they're admitted into the NRL. We cannot afford to fund another parasite like the Storm for 20 years.

 

[Get Rid of The Donkeys]

Im pretty sure this is an U18 pirates team in the NSW comp, and as well as the Thunderbolts - nothing from adelaide though

But yeah the comments are right, a team from Adelaide or Perth wouldn't survive long term in the 2nd tier cups in their current configuration - there would need to be changes to the comp/s or a light at the end of the tunnel for an NRL team

I'd like to see more of these teams in the junior competitions. Regular competition against the best within their age group will enhance their skills and give them a reason to play the game.

Fijians and Papuans would jump at the opportunity to play for these teams in the Queensland Cup.

There has to be teams in the Queensland Cup to keep players in the game once they're over 18. NSW is a level too high with clubs basically being reserve grade teams made up up of professional players contracted with the NRL In Queensland Cup there are plenty of players who are semi-professional.

 

[Get Rid of The Donkeys]

Great!


Now they just need a Melbourne Storm Queensland Cup club. They have fans up here, so it will be well attended.