The Case for Adelaide.....

[taipan]

Perth Wildcats are a bigger club than some NRL clubs lol

Like the mega Force and the Morning Glory LOL.

 

[Perth Red]

Any expansion decision would be made by the Commission .News have no say on the Commission.If there is value on expansion the Commission looks into it, not News ,Murdoch or the plebs they employ.
News don't own 50% of the game, than hell.

Haha, such naivety

If Ch9 really wanted another Brisbane team why the hell did they not insist on it when they massively upped their payment in the Smith negotiation? Surely that would have been the time for them to demand it as part of the massive funding increase they were committing to if it had value to them?

 

[Perth Red]

Like the mega Force and the Morning Glory LOL.

Haha, despite being sht run by a nobhead and pssing local fans off Perth Glory still avg'd more in 2018/19 than Manly in 18 and St George in 19! lol.
Thank christ ARU is even worse run than NRL. If they had taken Twiggy's offer RL would be dead in WA. This guy earns more in a year than the NRL does! He would have swamped the State with Rugby (sic) that the poorly funded NRLWA would never have been able to compete with. The game dodged a bullet due to ARU's incompetence!

 

[greenBV4]

Any expansion decision would be made by the Commission .News have no say on the Commission.If there is value on expansion the Commission looks into it, not News ,Murdoch or the plebs they employ.
News don't own 50% of the game, than hell.

Ch9 years ago before PVL, stated (by Gyngell)another Brisbane team would be worth $20m pa to TV.Nothing happened then.

If the News was so tight with the NRL admin, they wouldn't be pushing every negative comment they can grasp their grubby hands on.Imagine what the
News gimps would be like if the Commission was at war with News.Check out the Burgess story in the News paper the Australian involving one journo Jessica Halloran .

News Ltd sucks up to every new CEO or exec, then spits him out when it suits.The only time they were into bed with each other was during Gallop's (former News lawyer(reign).He could do not wrong in their eyes.

It would be in the broadcasters interest to do everything in their power to keep the price of showing the NRL low

Nine made it quite clear this year they will not shell out anymore money, they reluctantly gave what they did - so no money will come from them for new teams, Brisbane or anywhere

the NRL needs to start looking at multinetwork broadcasting, create an extra game and sell it to 10 and they will basically fund 2 new teams. Nine doesnt need to pay anymore than they already do, and Fox can make up the difference with the extra game they will get to show

then for every new deal there will be 3 parties at the table instead of 2, which will drive a more competitve deal, maybe 7 would even want in on the pie with 1 game a week

 

[Perth Red]

Brisbane2 offer nothing to Fox, they will be on FTA every week so offer nothing in subscriptions. The deal is done for the next 7 years and I very much doubt it has any extra $'s for expansion in it.
Will Ch9 pay $15million a year more for an extra 50k odd viewers every round (minus the byes)?
The only real value in expansion is having a ninth game to sell. Its a furphy to believe otherwise. One of the reasons I think it will be a much longer time before we see Brisabne2 than Vlandys is leading us to believe.

 

[Get Rid of The Donkeys]

prepare to hear some nonsense about League being a much more taxing game and they can't have long plane flights eating into recovery time....

Raiders to Perth.

 

[taipan]

Haha, such naivety

If Ch9 really wanted another Brisbane team why the hell did they not insist on it when they massively upped their payment in the Smith negotiation? Surely that would have been the time for them to demand it as part of the massive funding increase they were committing to if it had value to them?

That's right you are on the Commission, and have an intricate knowledge of the Commission members some of who have zero relationship with News.

For the very reason the Commission makes the decision not channel 9 nor News .For the very reason there was no decent money in the Bank.Other NRL clubs were hardly sailing along smoothly,For the very reason despite Smith boasting alone at a presser about the money he got from 9, the other major partner to the Tv deals had not concluded any such deal.
Perhaps they should have relocated the Storm to Brisbane 2, much bigger crowds,Tv ratings, advertising income and a bulwark against fumble ball.

If anyone is naive ,it's one who believes half a TV deal is somehow more effective than a full deal.Smith unlike the AFL who employs CEOs with knowledge of their code was a bull in a china shop still on a learning curve.
It showed the Tv organisations do not (apart from programming of games) have the influence on expansion or development you pretend they do.

 

[adamkungl]

Brisbane2 offer nothing to Fox, they will be on FTA every week so offer nothing in subscriptions. The deal is done for the next 7 years and I very much doubt it has any extra $'s for expansion in it.
Will Ch9 pay $15million a year more for an extra 50k odd viewers every round (minus the byes)?
The only real value in expansion is having a ninth game to sell. Its a furphy to believe otherwise. One of the reasons I think it will be a much longer time before we see Brisabne2 than Vlandys is leading us to believe.

2 more capitals give every sponsor in the game, every network in broadcasting, a 20-30% increase in potential audience.
It gives the sport 'national comp' credibility in the media, which effects the overall value.
They have a higher growth ceiling than *any* Sydney club.

 

[taipan]

Haha, despite being sht run by a nobhead and pssing local fans off Perth Glory still avg'd more in 2018/19 than Manly in 18 and St George in 19! lol.
Thank christ ARU is even worse run than NRL. If they had taken Twiggy's offer RL would be dead in WA. This guy earns more in a year than the NRL does! He would have swamped the State with Rugby (sic) that the poorly funded NRLWA would never have been able to compete with. The game dodged a bullet due to ARU's incompetence!

If they were going great guns in Perth ,you'd have a genuine argument.Glory was losing money hand over foot and A league Tv ratings continue to struggle.You know the old sleeping giant routine.LOL

Twiggy is one person, last reports human.He carks it, then what.Gerry Harvey earns ,more each year than the NRL,so what. This is not the USA ,where billionaires are a dime a dozen, one falls over another steps in.

Memo end of 2003 RWC in Australia, the ARU had $48m in the Bank, just after the SL war.They had more in the Bank than the NRL ,and look what happened.

I repeat one more time ,if you hadn't gone to SL, you'd still be here.,get real.News wasn't interested in the Sharks,they wanted the Dragons.Sharks were a last resort for them.

 

[taipan]

It would be in the broadcasters interest to do everything in their power to keep the price of showing the NRL low

Nine made it quite clear this year they will not shell out anymore money, they reluctantly gave what they did - so no money will come from them for new teams, Brisbane or anywhere

the NRL needs to start looking at multinetwork broadcasting, create an extra game and sell it to 10 and they will basically fund 2 new teams. Nine doesnt need to pay anymore than they already do, and Fox can make up the difference with the extra game they will get to show

then for every new deal there will be 3 parties at the table instead of 2, which will drive a more competitve deal, maybe 7 would even want in on the pie with 1 game a week

Agree.No one wants to pay overland just about everyone wants to buy something for as little as possible.

Again agree ATT when Gyngell was around he stated then it was worth $20m in Brisbane for another Brisbane side.Then is not COVID now.
My point is if clubs had not gone to SL in the numbers they did,Perth and Brisbane 2 would already be in place.The Crushers would still be that name,and they probably would have a competitive side.

I'll be honest I have little or no idea of new technologies coming in ,and how they will impact expansion.All I'm stating now ,is the AFL expansion in the Northern states has been and will continue to be costly ,as Gil has stated costs will have to be cut.

If 7 took over broadcasting I'd be over the moon.The 9 effort at times is tiring, cringeworthy and just lacks oomph.

 

[Get Rid of The Donkeys]

That's right you are on the Commission, and have an intricate knowledge of the Commission members some of who have zero relationship with News.

For the very reason the Commission makes the decision not channel 9 nor News .For the very reason there was no decent money in the Bank.Other NRL clubs were hardly sailing along smoothly,For the very reason despite Smith boasting alone at a presser about the money he got from 9, the other major partner to the Tv deals had not concluded any such deal.
Perhaps they should have relocated the Storm to Brisbane 2, much bigger crowds,Tv ratings, advertising income and a bulwark against fumble ball.

If anyone is naive ,it's one who believes half a TV deal is somehow more effective than a full deal.Smith unlike the AFL who employs CEOs with knowledge of their code was a bull in a china shop still on a learning curve.
It showed the Tv organisations do not (apart from programming of games) have the influence on expansion or development you pretend they do.

I think the ARLC were more concerned with getting every club sustainable around the time Gyngel was championing Bris 2. They decided it was best to consolidate what they they had rather than risk knocking the entire building down. Titans were up shit creek without a paddle around the time and clubs like Newcastle, Dragons and Tigers needed assistance. Adding Bris 2 when other clubs were struggling for survival would have been stupid, regardless of how much Ch9 wanted it. For once the game said "no" to the broadcasters.

2 more capitals give every sponsor in the game, every network in broadcasting, a 20-30% increase in potential audience.
It gives the sport 'national comp' credibility in the media, which effects the overall value.
They have a higher growth ceiling than *any* Sydney club.

This is BS. The networks and ARLC know that the "potential" you speak of will never translate into massive viewership from Adelaide and Perth. The most likely scenario is ratings in Adelaide and Perth will increase by an average of 5,000-10,000 in those markets when their team is playing on 9Gem, which wouldn't be very often as they won't rate well in Sydney and Brisbane.

Foxtel is never going to allow 9Gem to broadcast all of Adelaide and Perth's games into those markets, so they will rarely be shown on FTA.

The_Wookie said RL games on 9Gem in Melbourne average 11k when Storm are not playing, and 17k when they do.

 

[LeagueXIII]

The Burgess story had legs and made them money. That's why they ran it.

 

[LeagueXIII]

2 more capitals give every sponsor in the game, every network in broadcasting, a 20-30% increase in potential audience.
It gives the sport 'national comp' credibility in the media, which effects the overall value.
They have a higher growth ceiling than *any* Sydney club.

Not at all, you still have value to national sponsors if you are strong in Melbourne, Sydney and Brisbane.

 

[LeagueXIII]

I would think the NRL database would be worth a heap for Foxtel to get hold of.

 

[Perth Red]

That's right you are on the Commission, and have an intricate knowledge of the Commission members some of who have zero relationship with News.

For the very reason the Commission makes the decision not channel 9 nor News .For the very reason there was no decent money in the Bank.Other NRL clubs were hardly sailing along smoothly,For the very reason despite Smith boasting alone at a presser about the money he got from 9, the other major partner to the Tv deals had not concluded any such deal.
Perhaps they should have relocated the Storm to Brisbane 2, much bigger crowds,Tv ratings, advertising income and a bulwark against fumble ball.

If anyone is naive ,it's one who believes half a TV deal is somehow more effective than a full deal.Smith unlike the AFL who employs CEOs with knowledge of their code was a bull in a china shop still on a learning curve.
It showed the Tv organisations do not (apart from programming of games) have the influence on expansion or development you pretend they do.

Smith delivered an outstanding one half of a deal, far far better than any CEO before him has achieved. He wasnt allowed to finish the job. I'll judge him on what he did deliver, not what he may or may not have that we will never know.
Sht Id have loved to see him tell Fox pay or goodbye, Foxsports needs NRL and is no position to walk away. They know it, we know it, Smith knew it. Like Greenberg, when he told Ch9 no to not paying this year and to their request for a massive cut they went on the attack, Vlandys went weak at the knees and CEO sacked. Sound familiar?
Abdo had better hope Ch9 are nice to him when the renegotiations for FTA start and that he doesnt pss them off, at least hes not got News Ltd to have to try and get a deal with,

 

[Bring back John Fifita]

^ None of the above is relevant to Adelaide...

So anyone for Adelaide Bulldogs?

Oh geez..

At least we aren't on the North coast of NSW... the Bermuda Triangle for Bulldogs Morals...

 

[Bring back John Fifita]

Im heading down to ADL for the SOO - great facility, and it will be full of corporates. Infact corporate support and facilities sold out almost immediately.

I'll be there along with a bunch of locals. They, like myself, can't wait. Bought tickets once they went on sale to the GP, was about 75% full at that stage but dunno how covid might affect things - particularly those from NSW & QLD.

 

[Perth Red]

If they were going great guns in Perth ,you'd have a genuine argument.Glory was losing money hand over foot and A league Tv ratings continue to struggle.You know the old sleeping giant routine.LOL

Twiggy is one person, last reports human.He carks it, then what.Gerry Harvey earns ,more each year than the NRL,so what. This is not the USA ,where billionaires are a dime a dozen, one falls over another steps in.

Memo end of 2003 RWC in Australia, the ARU had $48m in the Bank, just after the SL war.They had more in the Bank than the NRL ,and look what happened.

I repeat one more time ,if you hadn't gone to SL, you'd still be here.,get real.News wasn't interested in the Sharks,they wanted the Dragons.Sharks were a last resort for them.

Nope, wed have been broke within a year or two regardelss of SL from what I saw of the costs to run the club sadly, like Sharks we had little choice. Sadly killed the game in WA for a very long time, still no where near recovered.

Wildcats are going great guns in WA. Soccer is sht but even as sht as it is Glory still managed to draw more occasionally than some NRL clubs. Not sure what that says about some NRL clubs? Twiggy has enough money he could have set the Force and Union in WA up for ever more in a similar way Politis has for the roosters. Once you get assets behind you and non FC revenue generating you dont need the old fella. Sadly he still might.

 

[Perth Red]

A Storm game doesn’t have a huge impact on ratings in Sydney but does add 25,000 FTA viewers and 17,000 PTV viewers from Victoria and another 10,000 viewers in Brisbane (4k FTA, 6.5k PTV). It’s likely that this impact is understated, given how rarely the NRL rates at all in Melbourne. While these numbers sound small in the grand scheme, assuming that those figures generally hold across all games, the Storm would go from having the second highest average on PTV to twelfth, and from second to fourth on FTA without their local audience.

This really puts paid to the idea that teams from Sydney and Brisbane can have any meaningful appeal in the southern states without expansion. To truly engage Perth, Adelaide and other places in any form will require teams in those cities. It is simply not enough for Sydney clubs to move the occasional lack lustre game and hope that simple repetition engages with a wider non-traditional market. If those places are to care even a little bit, they need their own teams.

https://pythagonrl.com/2020/04/06/e...-about-nrl-tv-ratings-but-were-afraid-to-ask/

 

[Get Rid of The Donkeys]

A Storm game doesn’t have a huge impact on ratings in Sydney but does add 25,000 FTA viewers and 17,000 PTV viewers from Victoria and another 10,000 viewers in Brisbane (4k FTA, 6.5k PTV). It’s likely that this impact is understated, given how rarely the NRL rates at all in Melbourne. While these numbers sound small in the grand scheme, assuming that those figures generally hold across all games, the Storm would go from having the second highest average on PTV to twelfth, and from second to fourth on FTA without their local audience.

This really puts paid to the idea that teams from Sydney and Brisbane can have any meaningful appeal in the southern states without expansion. To truly engage Perth, Adelaide and other places in any form will require teams in those cities. It is simply not enough for Sydney clubs to move the occasional lack lustre game and hope that simple repetition engages with a wider non-traditional market. If those places are to care even a little bit, they need their own teams.

https://pythagonrl.com/2020/04/06/e...-about-nrl-tv-ratings-but-were-afraid-to-ask/

I've seen that before. I've also seen The_Wookie's posts.