OT: Current Affairs and Politics

[Gary Gutful]

I blame the Melbourne Storm.

 

[I'm a loser baby...]

At least he had the good sense to embark on a policy of tariff reductions.

I probably missed that. I was more interested in trying to figure out what was going on with Bert and Ernie.

 

[crocodile]

I probably missed that. I was more interested in trying to figure out what was going on with Bert and Ernie.

Unfortunately, I am unable to offer any assistance as I too have no inkling of Bert and Ernie's eventual fate. They often clashed with re-runs of The Beverly Hillbillies or My Mother the Car.

 

[Poupou Escobar]

 

[Gronk]

 

[Hollywood Jesus]

Is this video legit? Or something totally different and thus being misrepresented?

If legit, it's funny how those clerical errors happened an hour later in WI and MI...

 

[Gronk]

Yeah i am a bit on the fence about it

I believe there are votes that probably satisfy the rules to be counted ... and i think trump is talking shit in saying you must stop counting on the night

But i also think its a system that has more potential rorting holes than you can poke a stick at

Moaning about a system that has been in place forever only when you are facing a loss is petty.

FFS USA intelligence resolved that ..

The Russian government interfered in the 2016 U.S. presidential election with the goals of harming the campaign of Hillary Clinton, boosting the candidacy of Donald Trump, and increasing political and social discord in the United States. According to U.S. intelligence agencies, the operation was ordered directly by Russian President Vladimir Putin.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_interference_in_the_2016_United_States_elections

Then there was shown to be ballot machine hacking in the 2018 midterms.

https://www.bbc.com/news/technology-45680490

But not a ripple because ?

“Our lives begin to end the day we become silent about things that matter." MLK Jnr

 

[Gronk]

Everyone flagged this. Voting anomalies is a smokescreen. He’s an expert in planting seeds of doubt and undermining a democratic system that was trusted previously.



Yahya Jammeh, Gambian President, Now Refuses to Accept Election Defeat

DAKAR, Senegal — The fate of the presidency in Gambia took a peculiar turn Friday night when the longtime incumbent appeared on state television to announce that he was rejecting the results of last week’s vote that ousted him. He also called for new elections.

Seated in front of microphones and between two flags, President Yahya Jammeh rattled off accusations of voter irregularities, from transposed numbers in tabulations to missing numbers that he said left in question the results of the election that handed the presidency to Adama Barrow.

https://www.nytimes.com/2016/12/09/...-gambia-rejects-vote-defeat-adama-barrow.html

 

[Twizzle]

well there's a shock

 

[Gronk]

Nek minute, “Fox News are Biden Huggers”

 

[strider]

Moaning about a system that has been in place forever only when you are facing a loss is petty.

FFS USA intelligence resolved that ..

The Russian government interfered in the 2016 U.S. presidential election with the goals of harming the campaign of Hillary Clinton, boosting the candidacy of Donald Trump, and increasing political and social discord in the United States. According to U.S. intelligence agencies, the operation was ordered directly by Russian President Vladimir Putin.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_interference_in_the_2016_United_States_elections

Then there was shown to be ballot machine hacking in the 2018 midterms.

https://www.bbc.com/news/technology-45680490

But not a ripple because ?

“Our lives begin to end the day we become silent about things that matter." MLK Jnr

We were talking specificly about the postal vote thing which seems to have gone to new heights this time .... and as per everything else USA have a million different rules per state

 

[Gary Gutful]

It is the most vulnerable point of the system. As Avenger said, anonymity reduces the chances of getting caught, which scuppers deterrence as a security control. On top of that postal vote fraud is far more scalable - a single fraudster can send a lot more dodgy votes in the post than they can turning up to fraudulently vote in person. I also think there would be increasingly reduced oversight of the vote counters in the days following the official election day, as excitement wears off and fatigue sets in. A given vote counter seeing a suspicious ballot for their preferred candidate is more likely to give it a pass than one for the opposition. Increased fatigue and reduced oversight will increase this.

If fraud is going to occur that's the most likely place, though Trumps' histrionics will go some way to countering that.

How did it?

 

[Gronk]

We were talking specificly about the postal vote thing which seems to have gone to new heights this time .... and as per everything else USA have a million different rules per state

Just heard the AG of Pennsylvania. He said that the GOP sponsored a case a few years back in their state court seeking a ruling that all postals are legitimate, notwithstanding the date received. He said that the calls for stop the vote because Trump is in the lead and Biden closing the gap is sheer hypocrisy.

 

[Bandwagon]

I can’t accept the Democrats clawing their way back this much from the jaws of defeat. The swing is too great from these postal votes. It doesn’t add up and is susceptible to corruption and fraud.

It defies logic..

It doesn't really, I mean Trump has spent the last six months or so telling his base that Mail ins are illegitimate and fraudulent.

So what were they gonna do?

On the other hand, the Dems have pushed their base to use mail ins, it's no great surprise that they then did.

Everything has to viewed in the context of the whole, not in isolation.

 

[Bandwagon]

Address my statement first. How the f**k can they turn it around that much? What Republicans voters don’t like the post? Give me a f**king break. There are reports already of people paying young Democrat dopes to vote in for them in Minnesota. None of the postal votes are vetted for accuracy, they are just sent to the last known address. The merkin could have died years ago and someone can vote on their behalf. The system is shit. FFS they vote on a Tuesday !!

See above.

 

[Bandwagon]

Boys, I've been over on the Four Corners forum the last few days stirring things up like a troll. Do I get a high five? Ha.

That's an interesting interpretation of being ridiculed.

 

[Gronk]

Address my statement first. How the f**k can they turn it around that much? What Republicans voters don’t like the post? Give me a f**king break. There are reports already of people paying young Democrat dopes to vote in for them in Minnesota. None of the postal votes are vetted for accuracy, they are just sent to the last known address. The merkin could have died years ago and someone can vote on their behalf. The system is shit. FFS they vote on a Tuesday !!

A chap from one of the states in question was on the telly this morning. He said that the federal election mob had to keep reminding small electoral offices to press "upload" so that the votes counted entered the system. Of course Trump has sewn the seed of doubt so there is little doubt that thing like this will only pour petrol on the partisan flames

EDIT: Here you go.

 

[strider]

Just heard the AG of Pennsylvania. He said that the GOP sponsored a case a few years back in their state court seeking a ruling that all postals are legitimate, notwithstanding the date received. He said that the calls for stop the vote because Trump is in the lead and Biden closing the gap is sheer hypocrisy.

yeah I already said I think trump claiming counting should stop is f**ked up - there are rules and if they adhere to the rules then so be it .... and I also agree that I think trump is sending up a bunch of smoke screens... but also saying its something that probably does have more potential to be rorted - and may well have been - but then both sides could be rorting it

I do agree with him on the surface though .... I think its best when results are fairly clear on the day of the election .... and yes I realise that might not be possible and close elections might mean recounts etc - but at least make f**kin rules that aid it being possible

eg I don't think the system should allow votes to keep arriving afterwards - have a cut off for the vote to arrive, if it doesn't then tough - if you want to postal vote then get it in on time

 

[Bandwagon]

I don’t care but I do care when they assume the general public are stupid. For example there are 5 people from Arizona and yes it’s only 5 but they voted and were born in 1900. Just saw it on Paul Murray Live.

Whilst this might or might not be true, do you think that if they had a statistically significant example, they would likely have used that instead?

BTW, I'm pretty sure Murray's source for that will be facebook or Twitter, take from that what you will.

 

[Bandwagon]

If the postal votes being so heavily in favour of Biden was a known thing then why was every expert under the sun calling it for Trump on the first night? Even the bookies had him at $1.17 or so. It's the scale of it that is difficult to believe.

The bookies jumped around like frogs in a jar on election day, you literally could have backed both Trump and Biden at different points, and still made a decent return, regardless of the outcome.