Do you want Brad Arthur as coach

[hindy111]

He said to the players, "Look, I've got nothing this week. Just read the LU forum..."

I'm guessing they must of listened to all of my posts then

 

[Gazzamatta]

I think a bit of both
Agreed. But I do think they were mentally underdone going into this game. With the finals coming up and us being out of form and the weight of the winning streak record hanging over them it wouldn't have been good for their preparation.

Cant agree Poo. The Storm dont lose games of such significance. We rattled them for sure and certain. Watching the D line move up relentlessly in an umbrella shape with precision was very un Parra. Loved it. Can we do it again? F'n hope so.

 

[Poupou Escobar]

You could be right but I noticed Arthur also said he noticed the boys were switched on and intense at training. Intensity would mean they trained pretty hard no?

In that particular session, yes. But maybe that was enabled by having fewer/easier sessions in the lead up? Like I said, there's a lot of ingredients, and we don't get to see them or the recipe. We just get the finished product.

 

[Poupou Escobar]

I’d rate our roster better than the injury ravaged Roosters, Souths and Manly so I’d say we should be finishing above them. If they don’t go out in straight sets neither should we.

Those clubs all have more Origin and finals experience than we do. Maybe with their unavailable stars they come back to the field. Manly don't have that much big game experience but where they have it is in key positions (1, 6, 7, 13).

 

[Poupou Escobar]

Agree you need to look at the whole season.
The way the draw is done, there is no 'balanced' view until the end of the season when all teams have played all teams and even then, when you don't play some teams twice, the balance is out.

Yep. It's how we can have a better team than last year but still have a worse record.

 

[Poupou Escobar]

I’m more concerned about the finals record.

#MeToo

Fortunately it's a small sample, so luck will play a bigger part. As you pointed out, the loss of Manu and Mitchell is very bad luck for their teams and good luck for their opponents. I suspect Trbojevic's face is worse than Manly are letting on as well.

 

[lucablight]

Can the spine do anything if their forwards are getting beaten? I’d say the Roosters at full strength have a comparable pack to ours but we should be steamrolling Souths and Manly not getting steamrolled by them.

 

[Poupou Escobar]

I thought the decoys looked effective from minute 1. They ran with purpose and looked a genuine option to get the ball. Huge difference.

Well it is an effort area that we want to front load so that's good.

 

[hindy111]

We also went out in straight sets in the finals last year.

You can’t ignore the ‘losses that we should have won’ but include the ‘wins that we didn’t expect’. You have to take the good with the bad and on balance I believe we are slightly behind two other tiers at the moment:

1. Melbourne and Penrith
2. Souths, Roosters and Manly

That said, we can beat any of these teams on our day but if we were to play them 10 times in a row I doubt we’d win more 5 times.

As for whether we made Melbourne play bad or they did it themselves? A bit of both to be honest. The important thing though is that they have to play below their best and we have to be at our best to get a sniff.

We didn't play at our best. Twice we dropped ball early in count inside their attacking zone. FAIL No pressure built and could of potentialy scored.

Three times we gave away 7 tackles via - once kicking the ball over the in goals, Moses dropping bomb over in goals and Waqa knocking on in the goals. With luck Waqa and Moses score or we get line drop out or have Storm pinned.

5 times we got to a very good bomb and tapped it back where the Storm then went 30+mtrs. So we gave them momentum and shifted our field advantage cheaply.FAIL With luck we either score or atleast have them pinned inside own 10mtrs.


Waqa also running over sideline was silly. Stays in and we have good field position.

So 11 sets ended with a poor finish amd no luck our way. Those 8 kicks is where momentum changes and do not go down as an error. But in my eyes they are errors. Lottery plays.

I think we could of steam rolled them if we executed better tbh. We won and all these poor ends to sets went unnoticed.


Throw in (not our fault) but on 5th tackle giving away a penalty for head highs. Both milked and not penalties against N.Brown and Hipgrave.Bu in context being the last perhaps best not going for a big shot.

We won. It was a great performance. But we where not at our best. Heck we still have RCG,Kafusi and Matterson to come back. Plus we lost Lane for the 2md half and Marata.

 

[strider]

I'm guessing they must of listened to all of my posts then

i think they've got you on ignore

 

[IFR33K]

i think they've got you on ignore

It’s an amazing experience having some on ignore. It’s like a new forum.

 

[hindy111]

i think they've got you on ignore

I have the best football brain on here. Read my post above about the game. Indont miss anything.

 

[Gary Gutful]

It’s an amazing experience having some on ignore. It’s like a new forum.

 

[Poupou Escobar]

Our pack is better than theirs. Our halfback and fullback have origin experience and our hooker would have played this season if not for injury. We should be more than competitive with them. Experience is helpful but even all time greats had to win without it at some time. I don’t know how they have better leadership than us. Pray tell?

Experience is a big part of leadership. Don't forget DCE is a current Origin captain.

Here's the experience comparison. I've defined big game experience as Origins + finals. If you disagree you can make your own table:

	Parramatta	Manly
Fullback (total games / big games)	137 / 7	109 / 9
Five-eighth (total games / big games)	52 / 4	233 / 14
Halfback (total games / big games)	170 / 7	256 / 31

 

[Gary Gutful]

We didn't play at our best. Twice we dropped ball early in count inside their attacking zone. FAIL No pressure built and could of potentialy scored.

Three times we gave away 7 tackles via - once kicking the ball over the in goals, Moses dropping bomb over in goals and Waqa knocking on in the goals. With luck Waqa and Moses score or we get line drop out or have Storm pinned.

5 times we got to a very good bomb and tapped it back where the Storm then went 30+mtrs. So we gave them momentum and shifted our field advantage cheaply.FAIL With luck we either score or atleast have them pinned inside own 10mtrs.


Waqa also running over sideline was silly. Stays in and we have good field position.

So 11 sets ended with a poor finish amd no luck our way. Those 8 kicks is where momentum changes and do not go down as an error. But in my eyes they are errors. Lottery plays.

I think we could of steam rolled them if we executed better tbh. We won and all these poor ends to sets went unnoticed.


Throw in (not our fault) but on 5th tackle giving away a penalty for head highs. Both milked and not penalties against N.Brown and Hipgrave.Bu in context being the last perhaps best not going for a big shot.

We won. It was a great performance. But we where not at our best. Heck we still have RCG,Kafusi and Matterson to come back. Plus we lost Lane for the 2md half and Marata.

Have we played better than that this year?

 

[Poupou Escobar]

If you work in any industry then you should know that there are a lot of people out there who are bad at their jobs. Even clients/customers who don’t work in your industry would be able to recognise it if it was blatant enough. You don’t have to be an expert.

Sure, but I also know even the experts can disagree on this sort of thing. They can't both be right. Ultimately it's just an opinion, subject to human irrationality. I've seen people decide competence based on nothing more than popularity ffs. In a lot of jobs it's very hard to prove causality and therefore competence. However it's also true in many jobs (including coaching) that popularity is a part of what makes someone competent.

 

[hindy111]

Have we played better than that this year?

I am not having a go at you. I am stating areas where we made bad choices or had bad luck. You stated Storm would have to be off and we would have to be at our best to beat them. I showed 11 examples in the game where we had a poor result and on another day we do not make these silly errors or take a poor option. They where simple things we could avoid. Like catching the bombs and trying to pass rather then slapping it back carelessly with no cover defense. Or Waqa running over sideline.

The head highs come on the 5th and at a time not needed. Again in context of game and point when we where in control you don't need those risky plays. If its on the first of 2md tackle more acceptable. I'm sure you understand my thought process.

Simple areas we can fix and be a lot better.

 

[lucablight]

Experience is a big part of leadership. Don't forget DCE is a current Origin captain.

Here's the experience comparison. I've defined big game experience as Origins + finals. If you disagree you can make your own table:

	Parramatta	Manly
Fullback (total games / big games)	137 / 7	109 / 9
Five-eighth (total games / big games)	52 / 4	233 / 14
Halfback (total games / big games)	170 / 7	256 / 31

I put more weight on roster quality than origin and finals experience. If we won the grand final this season wouldn’t you agree that we’d have more origin players next season than if we didn’t? As far as finals experience goes even the greats have to have a breakthrough sometime. DCE and Foran won a premiership as rookie halves. Even last years Melbourne side won the comp with an inexperienced Papenhuyzen and Hughes in the spine. It’s not reasonable to keep citing a lack of experience as a reason for not making a breakthrough forever.

 

[Gary Gutful]

I am not having a go at you. I am stating areas where we made bad choices or had bad luck. You stated Storm would have to be off and we would have to be at our best to beat them. I showed 11 examples in the game where we had a poor result and on another day we do not make these silly errors or take a poor option. They where simple things we could avoid. Like catching the bombs and trying to pass rather then slapping it back carelessly with no cover defense. Or Waqa running over sideline.

The head highs come on the 5th and at a time not needed. Again in context of game and point when we where in control you don't need those risky plays. If its on the first of 2md tackle more acceptable. I'm sure you understand my thought process.

Simple areas we can fix and be a lot better.

All good. I know you aren’t having a go.

You say we can play better. I’m just wondering what that’s based on if it isn’t based on past performances.

You can show me 11 examples of where someone could have done something better. I reckon you could do that with most teams in most games.

Right now, last night is probably as good as we have done all year. Maybe we’ll improve again in the coming weeks. If do that will be awesome.

 

[Gary Gutful]

I put more weight on roster quality than origin and finals experience. If we won the grand final this season wouldn’t you agree that we’d have more origin players next season than if we didn’t? As far as finals experience goes even the greats have to have a breakthrough sometime. DCE and Foran won a premiership as rookie halves. Even last years Melbourne side won the comp with an inexperienced Papenhuyzen and Hughes in the spine. It’s not reasonable to keep citing a lack of experience as a reason for not making a breakthrough forever.

If it isn’t lack of experience in big games, what is it?