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NRL's growth mindset points to 18th team. And it ain't Perth.

Perth Red

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Perth does have a few advanced bids.

The problem with the ARL's expansion in 1995 is they made the four new clubs cover the travel and accommodation costs of visiting clubs. It was a massive expense and one that the new franchises couldn't afford. News Ltd bailed out the Cowboys, Reds and Warriors as they needed both clubs for Super League. Crushers were never part of News Ltd's plans so they were left to die.

News Ltd doesn't have a stake in the Perth market, so they sacrificed the Reds for a club in Australia's second largest city, where they do have a daily publication. I cannot help but think this has been the reason Perth keeps getting overlooked, despite it having so many positives that will benefit rugby league in this country.

News Ltd do have a stake in the NZ media, so there's a benefit to them adding a second team. The only thing that might work against NZ2 is financial security. The Easts Tigers are loaded and have security through their Leagues Club and playing facilities, which are being upgraded to make them NRL ready.
Would love to know why News ltd changed their minds re Reds. They went all out to get them to sign with SL, including basically taking them over and throwing a load of money at them as sponsors, then a year later decided to cut them loose. I suspect the ARL had more to do with the Reds demise than News Ltd, payback for jumping ship and all that.
 
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Would love to know why News ltd changed their minds re Reds. They went all out to get them to sign with SL, including basically taking them over and throwing a load of money at them as sponsors, then a year later decided to cut them loose. I suspect the ARL had more to do with the Reds demise than News Ltd, payback for jumping ship and all that.
Murdoch never had a major stake in the Perth print media. The only reason News Ltd bailed them out in 1995 was because they needed teams for Super League. Once they got what they wanted at the end of 1997 they cut Perth loose and eventually did the same with the Rams.
 

MugaB

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Why the f#ck do people insist on putting another NRL team in Auckland!!!

Yes to NZ2 but a big fat no to Auckland 2.
I think due the population size for Auckland in comparison to the other cities and regions that are elsewhere in NZ, but yeah i agree, Wellington or Christchurch are a better idea
 

Perth Red

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Both are too small populations. NRL clubs struggle in populations when they are that size when RL is the main game, in those cities they will be a very distant second. Shame as Christchurch stadium looks amazing.
 

MugaB

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Because the other options are realistically unviable unless there is a very big investor willing to prop them up.
That wouldn't be too much of an issue, don't forget if skynews is involved, and there seems to be a bit of talk about a 2nd nz team from many ex-player kiwis (talking pros &cons) but still talk regardless which could draw potential owners/bidders out, as opposed to only freddys talk regarding perth...which is only due to SoO.
Auckland 2 works for a number of reasons, it can create a city based rivalry, (cross town) Auckland is already more rugbyleague minded than any of the other cities/regions of NZ, as NZ is all RU, so expanding that, then a possible nz3 elsewhere might take, if the Aucklands Rugba leg is successful, and it has the population to take on 2 teams, where any other area based in NZ, could barely scrape one, which is why we keep hearing of a Christchurch and Wellington split of games, for a potential "southern NZ" team, which im fine with, but im also seeing how practical having a shared city rival approach could work too, a new team in Auckland could be a great excuse to rebuild the stadium too, or let the warriors travel NZ, leaving the other team still having a presence in Auckland every fortnight, or not and having a game every week in the largest city in NZ
 

Perth Red

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That wouldn't be too much of an issue, don't forget if skynews is involved, and there seems to be a bit of talk about a 2nd nz team from many ex-player kiwis (pros &cons) but still talk regardless which could draw potential owners, as opposed to only freddys talk regarding perth...
Auckland 2 works for a number of reasons, it can create a city based rivalry, (cross town) Auckland is already more rugbyleague minded than any of the other cities/regions of NZ, as NZ is all RU, so expanding that, then a possible nz3 elsewhere might take, if the Aucklands Rugba leg is successful, and it has the population to take on 2 teams, where any other area based in NZ, could barely scrape one, which is why we keep hearing of a Christchurch and Wellington split of games, for a potential "southern NZ" team, which im fine with, but im also seeing how practical having a shared city rival approach could work too, a new team in Auckland could be a great excuse to rebuild the stadium too, or let the warriors travel NZ, leaving the other team still having a presence in Auckland every fortnight, or not and having a game every week in the largest city in NZ
From the outside looking in Auckland 2 looks the only option that maybe viable, however given the struggles of the Warriors on and off the field that is quite a gamble to introduce another club into a city where the current club isnt going great.

A wandering team may work IF those cities/stadiums are willing to pay for them to play there.
 

MugaB

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From the outside looking in Auckland 2 looks the only option that maybe viable, however given the struggles of the Warriors on and off the field that is quite a gamble to introduce another club into a city where the current club isnt going great.

A wandering team may work IF those cities/stadiums are willing to pay for them to play there.
I didn't mean a nomadic NZ team, but Warriors take 2-3 games to Wellington Christchurch and Hamilton for example per year, as they are "NZ" or they could revert to being "Auckland" again, and having both teams float around NZ, keeping the bulk 9 games each in Auckland
 

Perth Red

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I didn't mean a nomadic NZ team, but Warriors take 2-3 games to Wellington Christchurch and Hamilton for example per year, as they are "NZ" or they could revert to being "Auckland" again, and having both teams float around NZ, keeping the bulk 9 games each in Auckland
Still has to pay its way which means the hosting city stumping up $200-300k cash like in other cities.
 

MugaB

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Still has to pay its way which means the hosting city stumping up $200-300k cash like in other cities.
Well if they want an event then they pay, having both Auckland sides play in Auckland mostly, gives them the advantage of picking and choosing prospective areas to travel to for exhibition matches, much like penrith does for central west tablelands, and how Bathurst has become their yearly home event
 
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hard to argue with abdo tbh

with Super rugby very much on the nose on both sides of the ditch theres an opportunity to fill a void here
& add some significant depth to the pool at the same time.
 

Colk

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Wb1234

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Undermining union in its strongest heartland is doing gods work.

future all blacks will be able to test themselves against the best rugby players in Australia ie the kangaroos instead of the reject team the wallabies put out
 

MugaB

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Good decision if they go with a second NZ team, so long as they continue to expand. Hopefully Perth is team 19 (if they ever expand beyond 18 teams) and then we can decide who will be the 20th team
Its not going play out that way, yes they want nz2, but there isn't a current viable bid, other than the older chalmers "orcas" bid, and Perth have 1-3 bids, but are better off combining under either the old reds banner or new pirates.. but again no junior talent, PNG/cairns will be 18, then Nz2, then possibility Perth, depending if they can pull finger out and compete at reserve grade level
 

flippikat

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Its not going play out that way, yes they want nz2, but there isn't a current viable bid, other than the older chalmers "orcas" bid, and Perth have 1-3 bids, but are better off combining under either the old reds banner or new pirates.. but again no junior talent, PNG/cairns will be 18, then Nz2, then possibility Perth, depending if they can pull finger out and compete at reserve grade level
I think the NRL are hoping that if they say "NZ will have team 18, we now call for any NZ bids" that at least 2-3 bids will come out of the woodwork, like they did with team 17 and Brisbane.
 

Wb1234

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Good decision if they go with a second NZ team, so long as they continue to expand. Hopefully Perth is team 19 (if they ever expand beyond 18 teams) and then we can decide who will be the 20th team
They will repeat what they did this time

admit the strong team first that adds a lot to tv viewers on their own (south west Brisbane) for team 19 then add Perth as the tenth game and the bonus of the time slot back into Sydney and Brisbane

Anything more than 20 teams depends on growth in junior pathways and more money into the game and the list of places starts to look less attractive

ie png
Central coast
Adelaide
 
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