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They had no issue dumping Toronto the other year.

It's part on RFL and IMG too for not doing due diligence to ensure that everything was above board. Salford have been treading water for a long time even back to the Koukash days. Stick a fork in them
Toronto weren't dumped. Covid hit, SL offered them the opportunity to play 2020 fixtures in England due to travel restrictions, they decided they couldn't afford it and withdrew from the SL.
They were given the chance to submit an application to rejoin for 2021 season but that application was rejected due to serious concerns about their financial ability to fulfill a season. Probably very similar to what will happen with Salford if they get to end of season with no new backers.
Again as we dont know what the assessment process for ING grading is in terms of forensic accounting, or what evidence Salford presented, we dont know if it was IMG/RFL's 'fault'. Its not a good look for SL when everything else is going so well for season 2025 but its RL and nothing we haven't seen before.
 

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Toronto weren't dumped. Covid hit, SL offered them the opportunity to play 2020 fixtures in England due to travel restrictions, they decided they couldn't afford it and withdrew from the SL.
They were given the chance to submit an application to rejoin for 2021 season but that application was rejected due to serious concerns about their financial ability to fulfill a season. Probably very similar to what will happen with Salford if they get to end of season with no new backers.
Again as we dont know what the assessment process for ING grading is in terms of forensic accounting, or what evidence Salford presented, we dont know if it was IMG/RFL's 'fault'. Its not a good look for SL when everything else is going so well for season 2025 but its RL and nothing we haven't seen before.
Super league refused to give Toronto any tv money plus pay for teams travel costs plus their own

Then the club that replaced them got 1 million pound tv grant and without which the club weren’t sustainable

English clubs were able to access covid loans which stopped them from going broke whilst Toronto weren’t

If English clubs wanted to help them survive during covid they could’ve
 

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Super league refused to give Toronto any tv money plus pay for teams travel costs plus their own

Then the club that replaced them got 1 million pound tv grant and without which the club weren’t sustainable

English clubs were able to access covid loans which stopped them from going broke whilst Toronto weren’t

If English clubs wanted to help them survive during covid they could’ve
yep that was a stipulation of their admission as it was felt they would not add any tv value to the English deal. They happily agreed to the terms, same as the French teams.

Personally I dont think its fair but then they wouldnt have been invited at all as SL doesnt have the cash to be able to prop up oversea clubs.

Yep that was because the money for that came from the British Govt, it wasnt allowed to be given to prop up overseas companies.

It was up to Toronto to survive, just like it is now up to Salford to survive.

It was fun experiment whilst it lasted but was another PSG in reality.
 

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yep that was a stipulation of their admission as it was felt they would not add any tv value to the English deal. They happily agreed to the terms, same as the French teams.

Personally I dont think its fair but then they wouldnt have been invited at all as SL doesnt have the cash to be able to prop up oversea clubs.

Yep that was because the money for that came from the British Govt, it wasnt allowed to be given to prop up overseas companies.

It was up to Toronto to survive, just like it is now up to Salford to survive.

It was fun experiment whilst it lasted but was another PSG in reality.
Toronto could’ve changed the whole nature of super league and rugby league

Would’ve had ottowa too and maybe even nyc

One of the biggest misses for rugby league and esl I’ve seen in decades

I’m still angry over it tbh

Especially when you’ve got clubs like giants, Salford, etc getting a full tv grant and doing nothing with it
 

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Toronto could’ve changed the whole nature of super league and rugby league

Would’ve had ottowa too and maybe even nyc

One of the biggest misses for rugby league and esl I’ve seen in decades

I’m still angry over it tbh

Especially when you’ve got clubs like giants, Salford, etc getting a full tv grant and doing nothing with it
You could say the same for some NRL clubs who are taking $20mill a year and not delivering much value back whilst we have other cities without clubs that could potentially offer more. All comps will have strong and weak clubs.

I hope one day SL is in a position where it has the cash to be able to long term support expansion but its a long way from that as of now. I'd have Toulouse, Wales and London is as expansion projects. And Bradford back in hopefully one day if they can get money and stadium sorted. A 16 team SL would be the ideal.
 
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They had no issue dumping Toronto the other year.

It's part on RFL and IMG too for not doing due diligence to ensure that everything was above board. Salford have been treading water for a long time even back to the Koukash days. Stick a fork in them
The RFL just want a game played north of the river trent.
They have no ambition and I hope the NRL don't come to their rescue unless the people who are at RFL HQ are shown the door
 

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The RFL just want a game played north of the river trent.
They have no ambition and I hope the NRL don't come to their rescue unless the people who are at RFL HQ are shown the door
RFL have been far more ambitious in trying to spread the game than NRL lol. Paris, Sheffield, London, Toronto, Wrexham, Perpignan, Toulouse, Gateshead all been given a chance to be in SL.

Below the top tier
Cornwall, Nth Wales, Midlands, Goole. York, Newcastle all non RL traditional areas

What they haven't had is the revenue to be able to prop those SL expansion clubs up when they couldn't make it on their own.
 

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You could say the same for some NRL clubs who are taking $20mill a year and not delivering much value back whilst we have other cities without clubs that could potentially offer more. All comps will have strong and weak clubs.

I hope one day SL is in a position where it has the cash to be able to long term support expansion but its a long way from that as of now. I'd have Toulouse, Wales and London is as expansion projects. And Bradford back in hopefully one day if they can get money and stadium sorted. A 16 team SL would be the ideal.
Toronto could easily have been saved if the English game wanted too

And yeh there isn’t the money in the game now for expansion so the current super league clubs is the basis for the future

Maybe even Salford too

It’s not the league I would choose but it is what it is
 
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Toronto could easily have been saved if the English game wanted too

And yeh there isn’t the money in the game now for expansion so the current super league clubs is the basis for the future

Maybe even Salford too

It’s not the league I would choose but it is what it is
The RFL's idea of expansion is to put another club on the M62, Goole Vikings :D
 

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The RFL's idea of expansion is to put another club on the M62, Goole Vikings :D
Lets be honest, if it wasnt for huge Govt $$$'s the NRL's would be another club in Brisbane!
SL has a system where any club from anywhere at anytime can get in if they are strong enough.
NRL's? Wait and hope.

The RFL's attempts at expansion have far outweighed the NRL's. And NRL has all the money in the world. I can only imagine what SL would look like if RFL had a revenue of $700mil a year!
 
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The Salford Red Devils crisis has hit a new low with the RFL advancing them more central distribution so the club could pay their players and face Castleford yesterday.

According to several sources, the RFL has given Salford an advance of around £130,000 so the club could pay its players on Friday. The fixture against the Tigers was in severe doubt if the players were not paid.

rugbyleaguehub.com Long Reads approached the RFL about the matter today, with a spokesperson replying with "No comment".

It is believed the RFL has given the Red Devils its monthly central distribution 10 days early to ensure the players turn out, but the club's staff have still not been paid this month.

rugbyleaguehub.com Long Reads understands the new owners of Salford have yet to clear the millions in debt that was sat with the club when they took it over in February, or pay back the £500,000 in central distribution that the Red Devils received from the governing body in December.

A new payment deadline of March 13 is believed to have now been set for the new Salford owners.

Last month rugbyleaguehub.com Long Reads revealed that the members of the consortium that now owns the Super League club include New Zealanders Curtis Brown and Sosaia (also known as Isiosaia) Kailahi, and Englishman Kurt Graver.

None of Brown, Kailahi, Graver or consortium head Dario Berta have commented publicly or conducted an interview since taking control several weeks ago. New CEO Chris Irwin has also not responded to repeated requests for interview.

On March 4 Salford posted on X: "Salford Red Devils can confirm that the Club will be under the restriction of a sustainability cap for this weekend's Betfred Super League fixture against Castleford Tigers on Friday 7th March.

"This is due to the delay of funding following the takeover with funds currently pending regulatory clearance. CEO Chris Irwin and the new ownership will meet with the Special Measures Committee and RL Commercial tomorrow morning.

"To our fans, we sincerely apologise, we know this is not an easy time to be a Salford Reds fan.

"We apologise to you on behalf of our new ownership who have assured the Club that the consortium is working to rectify the financial situation and there will be no further issues. Thank you for your patience and support."

The RFL have claimed that the new owners have demonstrated proof of funds, but after weeks money has still yet to be transferred.

Salford and the RFL will now come under great scrutiny for their silence, lack of communication and their decision-making following this controversial move by the governing body to advance the club more money.

The RFL has been reeling from crisis after crisis in recent weeks. Apart from the Salford scandal, yesterday board director Sandy Lindsay resigned after months of pressure.

A group of clubs are also trying to oust chairman Simon Johnson, along with Lindsay, to force change at the governing body. At the same time RFL director Rob Hicks remains suspended, with no outcome into the investigation into him after six months.

Kerry Simmons, who worked under Hicks, was also suspended in September and last month quietly departed the organisation.

Yesterday Sky Sports presenter Brian Carney slammed the RFL for its lack of explanation over its handling of the Salford issue.

He said: "There's been, in my opinion, a distinct lack of communication from the leadership of this game. I haven't heard from any significant figure to explain to people what exactly is going on.

"So when the salary cap restrictions are re-imposed and dispensations are then offered to cover for suspended players, everybody else, including Martin Jepson for example, the Castleford Tigers joint-owner, is going: 'what's going on here?'

"I'm doing my best to try and follow this situation and I am really struggling. They're delivered in silence. You cannot find me an interview, a significant interview, with a figure of note that has got a leadership role in this game.

"Has Tony Sutton (RFL CEO) spoken to anybody publicly? Has he addressed this issue with the fans that follow the game of not just Castleford and Salford but all the other clubs?

"There's silence. Leaders stand up."
 

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TBh as much as a strong Manchester club would be good for SL, and as much as I feel fo r their fans, Salford have time and again failed to deliver it.
If they go down and regroup, and Bradford or Toulouse take their place it wont be a bad thing for SL.
 

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TBh as much as a strong Manchester club would be good for SL, and as much as I feel fo r their fans, Salford have time and again failed to deliver it.
If they go down and regroup, and Bradford or Toulouse take their place it wont be a bad thing for SL.
Salford are not a Manchester club
 

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