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perverse

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Nah not upset I just find it equally weak when people post "Oh I bet you *inset ridiculous opinion here* too?" when theres no basis for it. Im happy to discuss points but sinking to that just seems juvenile imo

Dont get me wrong its fun to be juvenile at times but this wasnt one imo
It's more just pointing out the logical fallacy in the line of thinking you were going down. Maybe with a bit more snark than was intended by my message doesn't change. 100m a game isn't anything to write home about. It's bog average even if you want to make an appeal to metres-gained as a metric.

More like 500-550
I can't find any source to this effect so I'll take your word for it. It's certainly a more tolerable figure, but doesn't change my opinion that I'm unbothered the club is playing hardball with him compared to squabbling with Gags over chicken feed. Friz ain't it anymore. He's a bench middle.
 
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For me, Friz offers more off the field than he does on the field these days and the deal for him should be priced accordingly. He’s making runs and tackles but it’s all pretty average tbh.

Gags is on the decline a bit but I’d still have him in the top 10 centres in the game imo and he’s worth the $400K or whatever it is that we should be offering him. He’s also a club legend and I really love watching him play. I’d hate to lose him.
 

Woosh

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It's the sad reality that for all of Kalyn Ponga's brilliance on the field when at the peak of his powers over the past eight years, there'll be plenty of Knights fans who won't shed any tears if he does ride off into the European rugby sunset at the end of this season.

Ponga's latest rumoured rugby exit, despite having two years left on his contract, has been quietly bubbling away behind the scenes for more than a month.

But such is the constant sideshow surrounding the Newcastle captain and his contract status, few knew whether to take the latest rumours seriously.

Certainly, Knights officials haven't been.

It's only now, following revelations a New Zealand agent, Kent Hale from Halo Sport, has been allegedly spruiking Ponga's name to overseas rugby interests, that the Knights are clambering to find out if there is real substance to the rumours.

For their part, many fans are just tired of all the speculation. They are completely over his constant links to moves to rugby or the Sydney Roosters.

Because of all the talk, there's been this real sense, whether perceived or otherwise, that Ponga has never been fully invested in Newcastle since his arrival in 2018. That he could take or leave the town and its footy club. That only the huge money has kept him here.

Harsh, maybe, but it's the perception.

It started when he signed a new deal back in 2020 involving his father/agent Andre that included rugby exit clauses and options in his favour for the final two years.

Then there was the drawn out contract saga in 2022 before he finally agreed to a five year extension through to the end of 2027 with the clauses taken out but at a cost of $1.4 million a season, easily the biggest deal in the NRL at the time.

The huge money, coupled with his injury history (he's missed an average of nine games a season for the past five years) and the emergence of local Fletcher Sharpe as an outstanding fullback option has left its mark on many fans.
They are now largely indifferent to whether Ponga stays or goes.

Up for a fight

If he is indeed a dead man walking, rest assured Adam O'Brien won't be going down without a fight.
That's the word from those close to the embattled Knights coach, who say he has no intention of falling on his sword in the wake of claims he will be removed as coach at the end of the season.
O'Brien met with Knights chief executive Phil Gardner on Tuesday and while neither are commenting, the suggestion is there was no exit strategy talked about and it's simply business as usual.
Intrigingly O'Brien still has allies on the Wests board who will ultimately make the call on his future after recommendations
from Gardner and head of football Peter Parr.

Deal or no deal

Despite media reports suggesting otherwise, we are hearing veteran centre Dane Gagai remains a chance of walking out on the club and signing with an NRL rival. The same goes for middle forward Tyson Frizell, who has made it clear he is open to all offers as well. Both have new reduced deals on the table from the Knights but are yet to accept them.

Parr on course for top job

Knights head of football Peter Parr has moved a step closer to taking over as the club's new CEO after agreeing to a new multi-year contract to replace outgoing club supremo Phil Gardner.

It's now a fait accompli that Parr will take over from Gardner in November after signing off on the financial terms and length of deal last week. Chris James, who has been at the club since January, will become the new head of football.

Storm pinch another one

Melbourne Storm took more than just the two competition points during their hit-and-run mission in Newcastle last weekend.
They also pinched one of the Knights most promising junior stars. We can reveal 17-year-old Cooper Votano, whose older brother Connor is the Knights' NSW Cup fullback, has turned his back on the Knights to link with the Storm from next season.
Votano played five-eighth in the Knights' Harold Matts grand final side earlier this season and won Steve Simpson's coach's award.
It's understood Storm back-up half and former Knights junior Jonah Pezet helped sell the idea of the move to Votano and his parents during negotiations.
Where that leaves Connor Votano's future is up in the air.
The NSW under-19s fullback is contracted for a further 12 months but will be free to negotiate elsewhere from November 1 if the Knights fail to tie him up long term.

 

Old dog

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Both Gags and Frizell give us some experience that we sadly lack and I would like one more season out of them to get us through the adjustment needed with Brown arriving.
Dont think either would cost much as agreed they ain’t as good as used to be but can still show a few of the younger players what is required
 

Woody90

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Although I think Friz has declined a bit more than Gagai has, I actually think he’s the more crucial re-sign just based on his position and lack of forward options.

If Gagai re-signs we’re going to still have Schiller, McCarthy and Hunt in the squad, and when you consider someone like Connor Votano also needs a pathway to FG, that’s a lot of back up outside backs taking up top 30 spots that we need for forwards. I know Hunt and Votano are only on development deals atm but we’re going to need to find a way to upgrade them if we want to keep them.

Everyone is going to be pissed if we lose Gags, but people are also going to be pissed if we lose our promising juniors, and it looks like something has to give there. It’s not about money but the top 30 spots. Best case scenario would be keeping Gags but being able to offload someone like Schiller or McCarthy but they both currently have top 30 contracts and you can’t just force them out if there’s no takers or they don’t want to go.

There just seems to be one or maybe two too many outside backs. Yes we could cop an injury crisis there but you can usually bring a kid in from your development squad to fill in the backline where young forwards aren’t as ready.
 

HarVeeGee

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There should be a plan in place for Dane to walk into a coaching role with the club the day he retires and him leaving to play elsewhere jeopardises that. I’m pretty convinced at this stage that outside backs being such a strength for us - non-viable players like Marzhew and Schiller playing good footy and looking okay-ish in defence; Bradman’s massive massive improvement as a two way player since Dane arrived; Dom being a top 3 winger in the game with us and shit at the Roosters - has a lot to do with him. His mentoring, his on-field chat. Etc.

Just honour the contract we already have with him FFS. Save the cap space elsewhere.

Friz, I have no strong feelings about either way.
 

Woosh

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There should be a plan in place for Dane to walk into a coaching role with the club the day he retires and him leaving to play elsewhere jeopardises that. I’m pretty convinced at this stage that outside backs being such a strength for us - non-viable players like Marzhew and Schiller playing good footy and looking okay-ish in defence; Bradman’s massive massive improvement as a two way player since Dane arrived; Dom being a top 3 winger in the game with us and shit at the Roosters - has a lot to do with him. His mentoring, his on-field chat. Etc.

Just honour the contract we already have with him FFS. Save the cap space elsewhere.

Friz, I have no strong feelings about either way.

But it's a now-departed alumni of that patented Souths left edge that's still having an influence around Redfern.

"Dane Gagai worked on his game religiously - and the one thing you'll see in this pre-season is Campbell Graham, Jaxson Paulo, Taane Milne doing the same things because they saw Gags doing them.

"It's obviously a big loss for us but his mindset around wanting to get better was second-to-none and these guys have picked that up."

 

Yosh

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Although I think Friz has declined a bit more than Gagai has, I actually think he’s the more crucial re-sign just based on his position and lack of forward options.

If Gagai re-signs we’re going to still have Schiller, McCarthy and Hunt in the squad, and when you consider someone like Connor Votano also needs a pathway to FG, that’s a lot of back up outside backs taking up top 30 spots that we need for forwards. I know Hunt and Votano are only on development deals atm but we’re going to need to find a way to upgrade them if we want to keep them.

Everyone is going to be pissed if we lose Gags, but people are also going to be pissed if we lose our promising juniors, and it looks like something has to give there. It’s not about money but the top 30 spots. Best case scenario would be keeping Gags but being able to offload someone like Schiller or McCarthy but they both currently have top 30 contracts and you can’t just force them out if there’s no takers or they don’t want to go.

There just seems to be one or maybe two too many outside backs. Yes we could cop an injury crisis there but you can usually bring a kid in from your development squad to fill in the backline where young forwards aren’t as ready.
To be honest, I'm not sold on Schiller. Hunt looks a prospect.
 

Woody90

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If we Lose Votano because there is no spot for him after Gags re signs it would be absolutely dumb.

I think we’re a good chance of losing him anyway with bloody Pezet getting in his brother’s ear, but we don’t even give ourselves a chance of keeping him if he can’t see a pathway. At the end of the day somethings got to give as there’s too many of them.
 

Old dog

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We need to be sure we keep Votano especially with all the nonsense re Ponga leaving/staying and Sharpes positional change and serious injury.
We need him as back up and maybe to play firsts in the next season or two
 

Woody90

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Annan had a lot of potential and talent in RU and could be developed into a number of positions. He was always going to be one of those signings where if it came off and he developed into a league player we would have a very handy player on our hands, but you’re also not surprised he’s ended up struggling. I wouldn’t be surprised at all if they mutually decide to pay out his contract and he goes and tries his luck playing lower grade rugby overseas somewhere if it looks like he won’t ever be a genuine FG chance.
 
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