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Rd22: 750pm Parra v Storm GAME DAY THREAD @ Commbank 31/7/25

Poupou Escobar

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Huh? I have no idea if you watch games. But the ‘more reliable’ data as you stated is suddenly unreliable because reasons.
What would I have to gain by only looking at the NRL's official stats? Champion Data is the stats provider of yesteryear. They are the Blockbuster of rugby league statistics.
 

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lol so which year did champion data start recording incorrect stats?
lol I didn't say they were incorrect, I said they were unreliable. LEARN TO READ LOL. We would only know whether or not they are correct by tallying the stats and comparing. The reason I no longer use them is as I said; we can't rely on them remaining available. They've pulled them before. They could do it again.
 

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I didn't say they were incorrect, I said they were unreliable. LEARN TO READ. We would only know whether or not they are correct by tallying the stats and comparing. The reason I no longer use them is as I said; we can't rely on them remaining available. They've pulled them before. They could do it again.
So it doesn’t make my claim on Ipaps tackles / missed tackles to be false.

And by you claiming them to be false would indicate that you think they are incorrect.
 

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Yeah... proof you do select your stats to suit your pre-conceived argument, not the other way around (as you tried to suggest)!
Except the arguments aren’t preconceived. They are based on the data. The stats and video I quote are the ones I deem most relevant. If there are others that you think are more relevant, you are free to share them.
 
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Except the arguments aren’t preconceived.
Lol. You're a contrarian, who assumes what others must think before/regardless of whether they even post it, and then argue against that. In other letters... a t.r.o.l.l.
They are based on the data.
Selective data, sure.
The stats and video I quote are the ones I *deem most relevant.
*dream are
If there are others that you think are more relevant, you are free to share them.
And I am also free to point out that you aren't as "honestly logical" as you like to put across.
 

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Lol. You're a contrarian, who assumes what others must think before/regardless of whether they even post it, and then argue against that. In other letters... a t.r.o.l.l.
Only when they're wrong. Some of you are wrong quite often and others almost never.
Selective data, sure.
That's because I know what data matters and what doesn't. Kicking metres is meaningless for a player who doesn't kick. Data from a single game means far less than data across a season or a career, because the single game is more likely to be the outlier than a larger sample, etc. You shouldn't need to be an expert to know this stuff. You should know which data is most relevant and you weight that higher than the least relevant data, which is just noise. It's not some dark conspiracy to cook the books. And if it's that easy and you disagree, then you have access to the same data set to support your own counterargument. Just parroting contradictions without support evidence means nothing.
*dream are

And I am also free to point out that you aren't as "honestly logical" as you like to put across.
Except you haven't supported this assertion with any facts. Not even selective ones. You just reply "nO iT iSn'T" to everything I post.
 
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That's because I know what data matters* and what doesn't.
*to you
Except you haven't supported this assertion with any facts. Not even selective ones. You just reply "nO iT iSn'T" to everything I post.
Not everything, only to contrarian assertions offered with a week single selective stat well after the observable events where it's obvious you're just bored/escapism trolling.
 

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*to you

Not everything, only to contrarian assertions offered with a week single selective stat well after the observable events where it's obvious you're just bored/escapism trolling.
This is because the stats (if the sample is big enough) represent a large number of observable events, over a period of time. Not just the ones we remember from the most recent game, or the ones that, due to their context within the drama of the game, have been given more meaning than they warrant.
 
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This is because the stats (if the sample is big enough) represent a large number of observable events, over a period of time. Not just the ones we remember from the most recent game, or the ones that, due to their context within the drama of the game, have been given more meaning than they warrant.
Yes, we all know what stats are.... But the point is they don't invalidate anyone's observation or opinion about individual observable events themselves - particularly as as events are happening in a single game day threads, or soon after when people are talking about said single game.
 

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Yes, we all know what stats are.... But the point is they don't invalidate anyone's observation or opinion about individual observable events themselves - particularly as as events are happening in a single game day threads, or soon after when people are talking about said single game.
Stats certainly lend weight where there is a difference of opinion. Two people might well see things differently but if the stats support one person’s observation then he’s likely the one who saw things (or just remembers them) correctly. In that case, conflicting opinions are at best not supported by the evidence, and at worst they are wrong. I myself am sometimes surprised by stats from a single game. I watch for entertainment, and the drama of it all prevents my lizard brain from making objective assessments. Same as anyone else. So if the stats don’t match what I thought I saw, it’s not the (objective) stats that are wrong. An emotion-free rewatch usually proves everything the stats say happened, happened.

The things we miss during the game matter. These are also the things that insiders (players and coaches) refer to in such terms as the-things-the-fans-don’t-notice. They’re called that for a reason.
 
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Stats certainly lend weight where there is a difference of opinion. Two people might well see things differently but if the stats support one person’s observation then he’s likely the one who saw things (or just remembers them) correctly. In that case, conflicting opinions are at best not supported by the evidence, and at worst they are wrong. I myself am sometimes surprised by stats from a single game. I watch for entertainment, and the drama of it all prevents my lizard brain from making objective assessments. Same as anyone else. So if the stats don’t match what I thought I saw, it’s not the (objective) stats that are wrong. An emotion-free rewatch usually proves everything the stats say happened, happened.

The things we miss during the game matter. These are also the things that insiders (players and coaches) refer to in such terms as the-things-the-fans-don’t-notice. They’re called that for a reason.
TL | DR ... You always think you're right and other merkins on the forums are wrong, and for some reason that is more important to you than anything else during your escapism/down time?
 

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TL | DR ... You always think you're right and other merkins on the forums are wrong, and for some reason that is more important to you than anything else during your escapism/down time?
There’s a few posters here who I agree with nearly every time, so you’re wrong again.

But anyway you shouldn’t give a shit if I think you’re wrong. Why is my opinion so important to you?
 
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There’s a few posters here who I agree with nearly every time, so you’re wrong again.
Lol.
But anyway you shouldn’t give a shit if I think you’re wrong. Why is my opinion so important to you?
Trust me, your opinion isn't important... but it's just hard to avoid when it's shoved down us merkins' throats in every thread here, ad nauseum.
 
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