Bears Confirmed & Rumoured Signings

[Ashburn]

im saying the launch video, not the logo

they talk about the north Sydney bears more then Perth

Do you mean the one that starts with a shoot over Perth and the first person who speaks is a former player of a defunct club from the city of Perth that isn’t involved in Perth Bears?

 

[Ashburn]

Check in with the group and get back to me to let me know how you/ they feel about it.

Every insult is an argument won, brother!

 

[Red&BlackBear]

"The challenges being thrown up have been considered at length, there’s action plans to best combat said challenges."

Well , that settles it lol.

What did you aim for with this post?
How can I assume intellectual superiority and be as condescending as possible while offering nothing tangible to the topic.

The nature that you brush aside these " challenges" with such arrogance is cause for concern in itself.

It’s simple actually. Well operated businesses embrace challenges and work diligently to acquire necessary resolutions that are positively beneficial to moving forward.

They implement solid strategies and sound planning to achieve the best outcome possible (within the parameters those challenges pose themselves in).

There is a holistic approach being undertaken by the entire organisation which isn’t just limited to recruitment.

Athletes moving from city to city is nothing new, nor is it foreign to Perth. The development of pathways programs is nothing new. Forging affiliations is nothing new. Players knocking back offers is nothing new.

You’re over thinking it and somewhat too consumed by something you have very limited knowledge in. Your opinions across the board on all things Bears highlight your limited capacity.

But then again maybe you’re still trying to figure out how a contract can be signed weeks in advance of an announcement. Perhaps as I said weeks ago, you’re just not that smart.

You do you little man.

 

[Iamback]

It’s simple actually. Well operated businesses embrace challenges and work diligently to acquire necessary resolutions that are positively beneficial to moving forward.

They implement solid strategies and sound planning to achieve the best outcome possible (within the parameters those challenges pose themselves in).

There is a holistic approach being undertaken by the entire organisation which isn’t just limited to recruitment.

Athletes moving from city to city is nothing new, nor is it foreign to Perth. The development of pathways programs is nothing new. Forging affiliations is nothing new. Players knocking back offers is nothing new.

You’re over thinking it and somewhat too consumed by something you have very limited knowledge in. Your opinions across the board on all things Bears highlight your limited capacity.

But then again maybe you’re still trying to figure out how a contract can be signed weeks in advance of an announcement. Perhaps as I said weeks ago, you’re just not that smart.

You do you little man.

I am not sure that works in sport.

The ex federal treasurer on board, probably wrote that.

Sport is a win/loss industry. That is all that matters.

The NRL is one of the hardest to succeed in

There is no draft
There is a very strict Salary Cap.

It isn't like they can just open the wallet and go and buy the Origin team.

I have no doubt they will go well financially, atleast initially. Member's won't renew if they are bad on field

That is before you go to the task of getting 12 year Olds to switch sports to get the junior pipeline going

 

[Gobsmacked]

It’s simple actually. Well operated businesses embrace challenges and work diligently to acquire necessary resolutions that are positively beneficial to moving forward.

They implement solid strategies and sound planning to achieve the best outcome possible (within the parameters those challenges pose themselves in).

There is a holistic approach being undertaken by the entire organisation which isn’t just limited to recruitment.

Athletes moving from city to city is nothing new, nor is it foreign to Perth. The development of pathways programs is nothing new. Forging affiliations is nothing new. Players knocking back offers is nothing new.

You’re over thinking it and somewhat too consumed by something you have very limited knowledge in. Your opinions across the board on all things Bears highlight your limited capacity.

But then again maybe you’re still trying to figure out how a contract can be signed weeks in advance of an announcement. Perhaps as I said weeks ago, you’re just not that smart.

You do you little man.

It’s simple actually. Well operated businesses embrace challenges and work diligently to acquire necessary resolutions that are positively beneficial to moving forward.

They implement solid strategies and sound planning to achieve the best outcome possible (within the parameters those challenges pose themselves in).

There is a holistic approach being undertaken by the entire organisation which isn’t just limited to recruitment."

I'll keep this for a quick copy and paste that can be used for anything..as you have. Lol

 

[Ashburn]

Newcastle, Wollongong, Redcliffe I would say all tick those boxes too

Sorry. Did you just try to claim Wollongong as a better place to live than Perth?

 

[Red&BlackBear]

I am not sure that works in sport.

The ex federal treasurer on board, probably wrote that.

Sport is a win/loss industry. That is all that matters.

The NRL is one of the hardest to succeed in

There is no draft
There is a very strict Salary Cap.

It isn't like they can just open the wallet and go and buy the Origin team.

I have no doubt they will go well financially, atleast initially. Member's won't renew if they are bad on field

That is before you go to the task of getting 12 year Olds to switch sports to get the junior pipeline going

I don’t agree.

A business is a business and all businesses in majority of industries are governed by results.

Be it financially, performance etc.

The NRL by its very matrix is defined by the salary cap and by a structure of club competitiveness to have clubs cycle successful ladder windows in cycles. Cycles are based on where they are at within their salary cap etc. Your CEO Matt Cameron actually spoke about this so eloquently on James Graham’s podcast about 3 months ago.

Now whilst the cap can be seen as inherently flawed hence some teams can remain on top for years and others at the bottom for years - it’s true nature is to still ensure competitiveness through out the competition. Resourcing plays a crucial role in success. I can use Panthers as a prime example from being on their arse in 07-09 to the turn around in 20-25 - this is evidence. The turn around coincided with resources being put into the club and therefore attracting players (be it top grade or systematic juniors) to the club.

I can use Canberra who had traditionally struggled to recruit as another example. Once resourcing went to juniors as opposed to attempting to lure seniors (already graded) - the Raiders found some success.

Perth is no different, sure it’s geographically further but we live in 2027 not 1987. The bulk resourcing will go to pathways and development so it can stand on its own - in time. Initial recruitment will be what it will be but I have no doubts it’ll be competitive and have players who set and maintain the start up standards.

I also think you’re overthinking this. Perhaps you’re more focused on years 1, 2 and 3 and if you are, fair enough. They are important to set expectations I guess. Some fanfare will be contingent on early on field success I am sure. But overall those years will be sugar hits. It’s years 5-20 which will really define the club and in those later years of that time period start to see the green shoots.

This is a long term plan. No one is expecting finals year 1 or year 2. We just want a competitive team week to week. Players like Meaney, Wishart and Henry will provide leadership there. The systems they are coming from cannot be faulted.

 

[Wb1234]

Sorry. Did you just try to claim Wollongong as a better place to live than Perth?

For people from nsw probably to be close to family

Why do you think th

I don’t agree.

A business is a business and all businesses in majority of industries are governed by results.

Be it financially, performance etc.

The NRL by its very matrix is defined by the salary cap and by a structure of club competitiveness to have clubs cycle successful ladder windows in cycles. Cycles are based on where they are at within their salary cap etc. Your CEO Matt Cameron actually spoke about this so eloquently on James Graham’s podcast about 3 months ago.

Now whilst the cap can be seen as inherently flawed hence some teams can remain on top for years and others at the bottom for years - it’s true nature is to still ensure competitiveness through out the competition. Resourcing plays a crucial role in success. I can use Panthers as a prime example from being on their arse in 07-09 to the turn around in 20-25 - this is evidence. The turn around coincided with resources being put into the club and therefore attracting players (be it top grade or systematic juniors) to the club.

I can use Canberra who had traditionally struggled to recruit as another example. Once resourcing went to juniors as opposed to attempting to lure seniors (already graded) - the Raiders found some success.

Perth is no different, sure it’s geographically further but we live in 2027 not 1987. The bulk resourcing will go to pathways and development so it can stand on its own - in time. Initial recruitment will be what it will be but I have no doubts it’ll be competitive and have players who set and maintain the start up standards.

I also think you’re overthinking this. Perhaps you’re more focused on years 1, 2 and 3 and if you are, fair enough. They are important to set expectations I guess. Some fanfare will be contingent on early on field success I am sure. But overall those years will be sugar hits. It’s years 5-20 which will really define the club and in those later years of that time period start to see the green shoots.

This is a long term plan. No one is expecting finals year 1 or year 2. We just want a competitive team week to week. Players like Meaney, Wishart and Henry will provide leadership there. The systems they are coming from cannot be faulted.

So gob

 

[Wb1234]

Sorry. Did you just try to claim Wollongong as a better place to live than Perth?

For players from nsw where most come it is

 

[Wb1234]

I don’t agree.

A business is a business and all businesses in majority of industries are governed by results.

Be it financially, performance etc.

The NRL by its very matrix is defined by the salary cap and by a structure of club competitiveness to have clubs cycle successful ladder windows in cycles. Cycles are based on where they are at within their salary cap etc. Your CEO Matt Cameron actually spoke about this so eloquently on James Graham’s podcast about 3 months ago.

Now whilst the cap can be seen as inherently flawed hence some teams can remain on top for years and others at the bottom for years - it’s true nature is to still ensure competitiveness through out the competition. Resourcing plays a crucial role in success. I can use Panthers as a prime example from being on their arse in 07-09 to the turn around in 20-25 - this is evidence. The turn around coincided with resources being put into the club and therefore attracting players (be it top grade or systematic juniors) to the club.

I can use Canberra who had traditionally struggled to recruit as another example. Once resourcing went to juniors as opposed to attempting to lure seniors (already graded) - the Raiders found some success.

Perth is no different, sure it’s geographically further but we live in 2027 not 1987. The bulk resourcing will go to pathways and development so it can stand on its own - in time. Initial recruitment will be what it will be but I have no doubts it’ll be competitive and have players who set and maintain the start up standards.

I also think you’re overthinking this. Perhaps you’re more focused on years 1, 2 and 3 and if you are, fair enough. They are important to set expectations I guess. Some fanfare will be contingent on early on field success I am sure. But overall those years will be sugar hits. It’s years 5-20 which will really define the club and in those later years of that time period start to see the green shoots.

This is a long term plan. No one is expecting finals year 1 or year 2. We just want a competitive team week to week. Players like Meaney, Wishart and Henry will provide leadership there. The systems they are coming from cannot be faulted.

So why are you hanging crap on gobbs for saying the recruitment is a bit meh if the clubs focus is on juniors down the track

 

[Red&BlackBear]

So why are you hanging crap on gobbs for saying the recruitment is a bit meh if the clubs focus is on juniors down the track

Because the recruitment isn’t meh. Footy is a systems game these days and certain players look good, others look average depending on the system they are in.

Titans by roster looks great minus a few position yet they are a bottom side. Why? Because the systems at the club don’t utilise the players properly, and the coaching (tactical - not man management) isn’t up to scratch.

Henry Curran Meaney and Wishart are all effort players. They’re scramblers, they’ll plug defensive gaps and throw their body in the line. This is true, watch them play regardless of their on field position or if they at times come off the bench. Which again, bench - in this era is about tactics. It’s 1-17 on game day. Every player has a role.

Newmann and McDonnell are fringe English internationals. They can’t be mugs if they are in the top 20-odd players in their country to be vying for an international jersey. You can’t be shit, lazy, or hide if you’re good enough for those honours.

Sexton is serviceable. Dogs were going OK with him at half. They topped the ladder and were the best defensive side when he was primary playmaker. I’m ok with a serviceable half who can make tackles because he isn’t afraid to throw his body at ball runners. Russell is equally serviceable and can play dual. He isn’t a world beater but he wasn’t signed to be that.

Emarly B, Luke S, Izaac F and Chris V are all adequate depth. Almost every club has similar type players in their roster.

The roster will be competitive. The footy system as in defensive system and attacking plays and shape will dictate just how competitive they’ll be. Ben Gardiner is a smart cookie, he will conjure something up. There’s other coaching appointments (defensive coach etc) yet to be revealed but are coming.

 

[Wb1234]

Because the recruitment isn’t meh. Footy is a systems game these days and certain players look good, others look average depending on the system they are in.

Titans by roster looks great minus a few position yet they are a bottom side. Why? Because the systems at the club don’t utilise the players properly, and the coaching (tactical - not man management) isn’t up to scratch.

Henry Curran Meaney and Wishart are all effort players. They’re scramblers, they’ll plug defensive gaps and throw their body in the line. This is true, watch them play regardless of their on field position or if they at times come off the bench. Which again, bench - in this era is about tactics. It’s 1-17 on game day. Every player has a role.

Newmann and McDonnell are fringe English internationals. They can’t be mugs if they are in the top 20-odd players in their country to be vying for an international jersey. You can’t be shit, lazy, or hide if you’re good enough for those honours.

Sexton is serviceable. Dogs were going OK with him at half. They topped the ladder and were the best defensive side when he was primary playmaker. I’m ok with a serviceable half who can make tackles because he isn’t afraid to throw his body at ball runners. Russell is equally serviceable and can play dual. He isn’t a world beater but he wasn’t signed to be that.

Emarly B, Luke S, Izaac F and Chris V are all adequate depth. Almost every club has similar type players in their roster.

The roster will be competitive. The footy system as in defensive system and attacking plays and shape will dictate just how competitive they’ll be. Ben Gardiner is a smart cookie, he will conjure something up. There’s other coaching appointments (defensive coach etc) yet to be revealed but are coming.

I don’t disagree with most of this but still doesn’t mean what Gobbs is saying is that wrong either

He’s being a bit flippant at times

I don’t even think he’s against the idea of the Perth bears either

You know a lot of us want it to succeed

For me because it’s the return of a foundation club which for me is everything and also to stick it to the afl tossers In wa who crapped over rugby league

 

[Iamback]

I don’t agree.

A business is a business and all businesses in majority of industries are governed by results.

Be it financially, performance etc.

The NRL by its very matrix is defined by the salary cap and by a structure of club competitiveness to have clubs cycle successful ladder windows in cycles. Cycles are based on where they are at within their salary cap etc. Your CEO Matt Cameron actually spoke about this so eloquently on James Graham’s podcast about 3 months ago.

Now whilst the cap can be seen as inherently flawed hence some teams can remain on top for years and others at the bottom for years - it’s true nature is to still ensure competitiveness through out the competition. Resourcing plays a crucial role in success. I can use Panthers as a prime example from being on their arse in 07-09 to the turn around in 20-25 - this is evidence. The turn around coincided with resources being put into the club and therefore attracting players (be it top grade or systematic juniors) to the club.

I can use Canberra who had traditionally struggled to recruit as another example. Once resourcing went to juniors as opposed to attempting to lure seniors (already graded) - the Raiders found some success.

Perth is no different, sure it’s geographically further but we live in 2027 not 1987. The bulk resourcing will go to pathways and development so it can stand on its own - in time. Initial recruitment will be what it will be but I have no doubts it’ll be competitive and have players who set and maintain the start up standards.

I also think you’re overthinking this. Perhaps you’re more focused on years 1, 2 and 3 and if you are, fair enough. They are important to set expectations I guess. Some fanfare will be contingent on early on field success I am sure. But overall those years will be sugar hits. It’s years 5-20 which will really define the club and in those later years of that time period start to see the green shoots.

This is a long term plan. No one is expecting finals year 1 or year 2. We just want a competitive team week to week. Players like Meaney, Wishart and Henry will provide leadership there. The systems they are coming from cannot be faulted.

Funny you mention Matt Cameron. He is CEO now but he was a coach, He was assistant to Brian Smith at the Eels.

The Deputy Chairman at the club is Greg Alexander.

Then you have Ivan who has been around the game continuously all his life.

You have another Football knowledge to put that with the business sense of the rest of the club.

Compare that to the RL expertise that Joe Hockey will bring, Surely an ex player who has business knowledge is a better choice

I am using the knowledge of expansion in this country as a whole, I don't feel we have done it right.

Storm on the field yes but they had a leg up early on

Broncos too but they had a very strong local comp to draw from.

GWS has had handout after hand out and still are useless.

GC made the finals 12 years in.

That Western United A League side, won the comp and went broke a couple of seasons ago.

The 1st 3 years, I expect the Bears name over here to ensure decent ratings and so on. That will continue but to be successful they need to find a gun teenager or 3.

So them running at the bottom of ladder until 2030 even means very little if they are getting enough of the good kids to switch to RL.
Titans, Cowboys early on are perfect examples of it not working in a non capital city

 

[Iamback]

Sorry. Did you just try to claim Wollongong as a better place to live than Perth?

Not at all.

I will explain it better.

Westfield sports high in Sydney has a gun 16 year old half back.

He goes to School Boy carnival and carves up. Every club wants him

If he can get everything Perth offers and still see his family and friends with a couple of hour car ride.

Then what advantage does Perth have?

That is where treating Perth the same as every other club is bad, atleast with the Bears the kids can stay in Sydney to finish school. So that helps

 

[Special K]

I like how the Bears are building. Wishart, Meaney, Curran, Sexton and Henry are proper first graders. The two poms are question marks but they did their research - Dom young, KPP and all the raiders fellas have done well in the NRL recently. Vea’ila is a good upside player who is stuck behind a number of good players. He would be a first grader at a number of clubs. You still haven't signed any older players who can be landed - guys like Cam McInnes, Talakai, Billy Burns, Toby Rudolph and BHU are just guys at the sharks who you could add in for good value. Some "star" will end up being squeezed out like a Matt Burton that you can try and get. Young talent is still on the market and you can always land some journey men like the Dolphins did. Gamble on some upside players who have struggled with injuries like Kade Dykes, Tom Chester.

Wishart on 900k (was mentioned by Paul Kent) seems mental but he gives 100% and deserves a starting spot. The cap will keep rising and you have a spine player for 5 years. They need to go and find their version of Isaiya Katoa though.

Perth should have a higher cap to get started but given they don't I like the moves they are making. They are buying 7/10 players from good systems to build a base for the future. It will be interesting to see how PNG builds a roster given the tax stuff.

Exciting times to be an NRL fan. The Bears logo today was a good buzz for mid Jan! Now release a jersey in Vegas.

 

[Centy Coast]

No it isn't but I doubt there are many who move for the same situation.

I mean if Westpac - I will use a sponsor of the game for this example

Were to get a manager from QLD and offer them a job an executive job in Sydney.

They can pretty much offer anything they want. I know of people moving and have school fees, Jobs for partners etc being thrown in to make the move smoother.

The Bears can only work in rules, including the same cap as the other teams do.

Don’t forget the good ‘ol third party deals, the Roosters offered Reuben Garrick a Real Estate job after his footy career is over

 

[Centy Coast]

I like how the Bears are building. Wishart, Meaney, Curran, Sexton and Henry are proper first graders. The two poms are question marks but they did their research - Dom young, KPP and all the raiders fellas have done well in the NRL recently. Vea’ila is a good upside player who is stuck behind a number of good players. He would be a first grader at a number of clubs. You still haven't signed any older players who can be landed - guys like Cam McInnes, Talakai, Billy Burns, Toby Rudolph and BHU are just guys at the sharks who you could add in for good value. Some "star" will end up being squeezed out like a Matt Burton that you can try and get. Young talent is still on the market and you can always land some journey men like the Dolphins did. Gamble on some upside players who have struggled with injuries like Kade Dykes, Tom Chester.

Wishart on 900k (was mentioned by Paul Kent) seems mental but he gives 100% and deserves a starting spot. The cap will keep rising and you have a spine player for 5 years. They need to go and find their version of Isaiya Katoa though.

Perth should have a higher cap to get started but given they don't I like the moves they are making. They are buying 7/10 players from good systems to build a base for the future. It will be interesting to see how PNG builds a roster given the tax stuff.

Exciting times to be an NRL fan. The Bears logo today was a good buzz for mid Jan! Now release a jersey in Vegas.

Foundation jersey release mid year

 

[Perth Red]

Perth is a great city really. Great beaches and outdoor lifestyle, laid-back. Great selling point for young family men looking to escape the big smoke of Sydney ect.
It is definitely a lure.
Why the f**k are they trying to target Gold coast players? It's the one place Perth can't top.. target Jayden Cambell ffs.
Anyway.

Probably figure players might be a bit disgruntled at perineal losing clubs.

 

[Perth Red]

Sorry. Did you just try to claim Wollongong as a better place to live than Perth?

And Newcastle and Redcliffe lol

 

[Iamback]

And Newcastle and Redcliffe lol

Clearly you still have comprehension issues still.

So how would you sell moving over to Perth to a gun 16 year old?