Peter V'landys - New NRL/ARLC Chairman

[Maximus]

People need to drop these dumb conference ideas. It is never happening. This isn't American sports where the teams are spread across the country, or there are too many teams to play everyone. No interstate team or team in a foreign country is going to agree to give that big of a leg-up to Sydney teams.

 

[T-Boon]

No, they are not. If I want to see people drop the ball all the time I’d watch fumbleball.

The game was built on teams trying things in attack pushing passes and lots of dropping balls.

 

[T-Boon]

People need to drop these dumb conference ideas. It is never happening. This isn't American sports where the teams are spread across the country, or there are too many teams to play everyone. No interstate team or team in a foreign country is going to agree to give that big of a leg-up to Sydney teams.

They build stronger rivalries. Get conferences in.
One also cannot just brush aside the fact of how huge the Superbowl is coupled with the two other finals - the USA is convinced this is a massive builder of interest which translates to more fans and more money. This is in both NFL and MLB.

 

[i0Nic]

People need to drop these dumb conference ideas. It is never happening. This isn't American sports where the teams are spread across the country, or there are too many teams to play everyone. No interstate team or team in a foreign country is going to agree to give that big of a leg-up to Sydney teams.

It creates some structure when we move to more teams and less rounds. 20 teams and 23 rounds maximum. To do that the most obvious and best thing is to play everyone once and then play your rivalries again to maximise crowds/viewers/revenue. 4 conferences of 5 just facilitates this.

This creates more meaningful games. Bigger events. Fans want rivalries. It’s a no brainer whether you organise it into conferences or not, but it just makes sense to do so.

 

[Colk]

I posted the last year to this year's numbers. Almost identical

I will go and look at 24 and 23 too but it either rains early on and we get drop fests or we get lots of points

Did we have a bad semi final game last year? Dogs v Penrith was the only one. Even that was a Panthers master class

What were the margins of those games - you can look it up they were closer.

So now you seem to say that the product was good last year? So if the product was good last year, why are we changing rules? Why are we increasing set restarts by nigh on 80%. It is absolute pedantry which nobody asked for.

V’Landys has just got to stop changing rules all the time.

 

[Iamback]

Which makes expansion ridiculous doesn’t it? Which makes rules increasing the likelihood of blowouts even more ridiculous, doesn’t it?

So the game should stand still? Or pull the bottom teams up?

It is a good debate to have

2016 interchanges went down to combat the slow style.

We literally had sides, being up by 6 or something and conceding penalty after penalty on their line to slow the game down on their line.

They knew the 2 points wasn't going to get taken.

So I am all for what ever gets away from that happening.

Blowouts are part of every sport, Sadly RL needs to take a few to hope to pull the dud teams up

 

[Colk]

The game was built on teams trying things in attack pushing passes and lots of dropping balls.

What are you talking about? Are you talking about the game as an entity or sport or are you talking about that game in particular. I can’ believe we are talking about a particular game that most people have already forgotten about

 

[T-Boon]

It creates some structure when we move to more teams and less rounds. 20 teams and 23 rounds maximum. To do that the most obvious and best thing is to play everyone once and then play your rivalries again to maximise crowds/viewers/revenue. 4 conferences of 5 just facilitates this.

This creates more meaningful games. Bigger events. Fans want rivalries. It’s a no brainer whether you organise it into conferences or not, but it just makes sense to do so.

100%. It is just a fact.

 

[Colk]

So the game should stand still? Or pull the bottom teams up?

It is a good debate to have

2016 interchanges went down to combat the slow style.

We literally had sides, being up by 6 or something and conceding penalty after penalty on their line to slow the game down on their line.

They knew the 2 points wasn't going to get taken.

So I am all for what ever gets away from that happening.

Blowouts are part of every sport, Sadly RL needs to take a few to hope to pull the dud teams up

I’ll answer this question with a question: what is the biggest sport in the world? How often does it change its rules?

 

[T-Boon]

What are you talking about? Are you talking about the game as an entity or sport or are you talking about that game in particular. I can’ believe we are talking about a particular game that most people have already forgotten about

the game in the 80s I grew up watching. Errors were a part of the sport trying to create opportunities.

 

[Iamback]

What were the margins of those games - you can look it up they were closer.

So now you seem to say that the product was good last year? So if the product was good last year, why are we changing rules? Why are we increasing set restarts by nigh on 80%. It is absolute pedantry which nobody asked for.

V’Landys has just got to stop changing rules all the time.

Round 1 last year

30-8
28-22
50-14
10-8
16-14
28-20
42-12
56-18

Round 2 last year

26-12
36-16
38-32
25-24
36-12
32-22
32-6
40-24

So not much difference between the 2, It got better as the year went on.

If it didn't then I would say it is the rules.

Length of season probably plays a part too.

We had footy up until November, then Vegas was end of February.

So limited pre season, is a likely a factor too

 

[T-Boon]

I’ll answer this question with a question: what is the biggest sport in the world?

Soccer

How often does it change its rules?

It doesnt, because its rules and concepts are very basic. Coaches cannot really meddle with the game play that much.

American Football on the other hand is the best comparison to rugby league and it changes its rules all the time with the specific goal of keeping offense one step ahead of defense.

 

[Colk]

the game in the 80s I grew up watching.

In the 1980’s the average points scored in a game was lower than the wrestling years that you detest. A lot of those replays aren’t showing particularly free flowing

 

[Iamback]

I’ll answer this question with a question: what is the biggest sport in the world? How often does it change its rules?

Well there was this minor change, the key wording is improve the flow of the game.

Very similar to what the aim is here with the NRL, The big difference is though it is fighting AFL for local eyes

And competing with RU internationally so being faster is certainly not what RU is

 

[Maximus]

It creates some structure when we move to more teams and less rounds. 20 teams and 23 rounds maximum. To do that the most obvious and best thing is to play everyone once and then play your rivalries again to maximise crowds/viewers/revenue. 4 conferences of 5 just facilitates this.

This creates more meaningful games. Bigger events. Fans want rivalries. It’s a no brainer whether you organise it into conferences or not, but it just makes sense to do so.

Great so how much more money are you going to give the interstate teams to compensate?

You have the Knights who have to travel to QLD 4 times a season, and doesn't have any rivalries against any of the teams it is in a conference with. You have PNG travelling to 4 of the 5 furthest teams from them every year. You have Melbourne and Canberra having to do 3 overseas trips while half the Sydney teams will do 1.

And then let's say the teams do agree, how do you have our version of the superbowl/world series/NBA finals with 4 conferences?

Who goes into the finals? If you've got a conference already decided, why do you think crowds are going to turn up or people are going to turn the tv on?

Conferences are never happening in the NRL.

 

[Colk]

Well there was this minor change, the key wording is improve the flow of the game.

Very similar to what the aim is here with the NRL, The big difference is though it is fighting ha

It was indeed very minor and much more minor than the six again rule and a whole number of rules introduced by our game.

I think the game has to be careful here. Every new rule begets more rules and interpretations which makes it more convoluted and detracts from the overall product- look at the problems Rugby Union has created for itself.

 

[kurt faulk]

You love "completions and getting to the kick" right?

He must be one of saint's former coaches.

Hey drunkard, go have a few more beers and sleep under the table.

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[kurt faulk]

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The top two teams that have given 6 agains away this season are the Panthers and the Storm.

This rule has certainly harmed their chances of winning games.

Good teams will always be good and shit teams will always be shit. It's a fact of professional sports.

I stopped watching games pre covid due to my boredom of watching players wrestle every tackle, never ending cynical penalties and attack so structured it was like robots were playing the game.

The 6 again rule enlivened the game once more. The ratings and attendances confirm this.

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[Chimp]

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The top two teams that have given 6 agains away this season are the Panthers and the Storm.

This rule has certainly harmed their chances of winning games.

Good teams will always be good and shit teams will always be shit. It's a fact of professional sports.

I stopped watching games pre covid due to my boredom of watching players wrestle every tackle, never ending cynical penalties and attack so structured it was like robots were playing the game.

The 6 again rule enlivened the game once more. The ratings and attendances confirm this.

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Both teams are very good, the best 2 teams in the comp, and the 6-again rule benefits their way of playing, making them even better than the rest. Both teams like the ball kept in play for as long as possible, both teams have a defensive structure that means they’re more than willing to give away 6-agains (especially in their own half) in order to slow the opposition down and allow their defence to get set and continue their relentless line speed. A penalty that allows the attacking team to kick to touch and get into good ball position is much more of a deterrent to spoiling tactics than a crappy 6-again. Watch how often both teams give away 6-agains on the first and second tackle, allows their defence to get set and in position.
Penrith and Melbourne are gaming the system at the moment - they’ll continue to give away more than most, because they’ll then back their structured defence to hold on until the opposition get frustrated, push a pass and make a mistake.
They given away the most 6-agains, but neither have even been warned that a sin-bin is coming.

 

[Barney Stubble]

The 6 again rule has been essential in the codes rise in popularity to unprecedented levels since covid , that in turn has resulted in revenues being a record levels & a huge pay day coming with the next TV deal & with money we can finance development in pathways & invest in the expansion into other markets.

It stays .. period
Wankers wanting us to scrap it & return to wrestlemania need to be shown the door.

These latest adjustments to the 6 agains are a little frustrating but thats all , this narrative we're playing a completely different game is ridiculous & mainly coming from silly old farts yelling at clouds. We do need refs to just pull the reigns a bit , but also coaches & players to stop the cynical shit , ruck after ruck after ruck & then complain about 6 agains.