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Match Discussion: Round 4 vs Canterbury @ Accor Stadium, Sydney Olympic Park / Wanngal

Who will win? Round 4: Canterbury v Newcastle

  • Canterbury-Bankstown Bulldogs 13+

    Votes: 1 50.0%
  • Canterbury-Bankstown Bulldogs 1-12

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Draw after Golden Point

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Newcastle Knights 1-12

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Newcastle Knights 13+

    Votes: 1 50.0%

  • Total voters
    2
  • Poll closed .
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lol, mate by that metric Adam Cuthbertson is a better prop than Petro Civoniceva. JSaf and Mooney are playing different roles in the team suited to their skillset.


Go watch some of his hits on Turbo against Manly and rethink that one I reckon. Softened him up big time.

JSaf isn't a flashy prop, but if you think Mooney is better than him at this stage you're a bit distracted by the shiny new toy imo. Offloads and second phase play is nice and I love it too - we absolutely needed that added to our pack and it's great to have it - but metres gained, tackles made, willingness to take the tough carries, sizing up opposition stars, one-percent efforts, etc are the foundation of what you build the middle of the field around. JSaf is the heart of our pack. Everything he does is at a consistently high quality and incredibly dependable. There's a reason why he was given the captaincy the other day, and why he leads our team song in the sheds.

Needless to say the reason Druss mentioned offloads is because it's the only stat on the sheet in Mooney's favour. Go compare their metres gained, metres per run, error rate, tackle efficiencies, PTB speed, post contact metres, etc, etc... all the bread and butter of being a prop forward - and you will quickly see a picture emerge that on average, JSaf just does things far more consistently and at a high level. On average he tackles more, runs more - and gets over the ad line more - finds his front more (and thus gets faster PTBs) - and has way less errors in him. And he's been doing this for us for quite a long time. Incredibly dependable.

I'm a fan of Mooney btw, I love what he brings and I'm stoked to have him over Leo... but imo you're drawing a long bow saying he's our best prop. He's definitely got a lot of potential though and may well get there in time. He needs to refine his game and just get more runs on the board before I'm having that conversation seriously. Ultimately though, they are very very different prop forwards - and I think you want both in your pack tbh.
I agree Jsaf is our main man in the pack. No doubt.

JSaf is still our main man.
and that's the next recruitment focus. Ultimately it would be great if he was our second best middle.
 

macavity

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Can’t understand no Crouch , surely a better option than Saulo and Hopwood at this time along with other young up and comers

Crouch looked really good in cup. So did ESL.

Saulo has not showed much unfortunately. Also don't understand constantly picking Cant. He is too small to play a big man role, and not skiullful enough to play a ball playing role.
 

Yosh

Coach
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Crouch looked really good in cup. So did ESL.

Saulo has not showed much unfortunately. Also don't understand constantly picking Cant. He is too small to play a big man role, and not skiullful enough to play a ball playing role.
Saulo is a big body and effort is top notch. Cant also puts in all the effort. Unfortunately both of them were blessed with a lot of natural talent for the game.... Hopefully we see some changes soon.
 

Zoidberg

First Grade
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Why is that little thing in my head telling me we are gonna play well and win this game?
Stop doing that!
 

Frederick

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Staff member
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Frances playing Cup so last reserve will be either Graham or Gamble.

I know which I'd prefer

Edit: actually both will be there along with de courcey
 

Zoidberg

First Grade
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Scratchy start with a few errors and gaps in defence but we get the 1st try with Dom. Good work asking questions out wide from our own half.
 

Burwood

First Grade
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Lucky to have the ball for that opportunity- Lucas was offside after Hunt drops the bomb and should have been a penalty.
 

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