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The Cronulla Sharks have proposed the NRL give hand-outs to all clubs

Loudstrat

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The Rams crowds in their first season were higher than many Sydney clubs are today, a decade later. There is no doubt in my mind that they will get good support from day one.

Sponsorship will increase because it means the NRL has another city of 1M+ preople that the ads will be exposed to. The club itself will find it easier to get sponsors as it won't have to compete with as many teams and there will be new SA-based sponsors available that previously weren't interested in backing an NRL team.

Compared to saturated Sydney, Adelaide is almost empty. A smart club would have a sh*tload of growth potential if they moved there.



This is all short term too. Long term it'll open up a whole new state of future players and supporters of the NRL. This is the big plus imo. Even if Adelaide only get 12,000 for their first decade it's still better than a Sydney team averaging 12,000 as it's exposing the game to new fans/sponsors.

Don't get me wrong. I'd love for the Rams to resurrect and do well. Was gutted that they died - as I was for every other club bar the Mariners.

Yes, Adelaide had good crowds in it's first year. And very average ones in it's second. Plus, they rated a zero on ABC TV telecasts in Adelaide. If TV is the cash cow of RL, Adelaide won't have an argument on that score.

If a club totally relocated to Adelaide, there will be loss of support at their old base. It happened to Fitzroy when it merged with Brisbane AFL. Happened to North Shore based Norths fans when the NE JV happened to a lesser extent. Same with Steelers fans in their JV - alythough they were helped when the Wolves died in Soccers reconstruction.

Sydney clubs bring their crowds, but they also generate a lot of local interest in the code - be it through following their club, or the local focus a club throws on the game. Remember that Sydney clubs are the most supported sport in their area. In Adelaide and Perth they'd be No. 2.

Sydney clubs also have a local parochial rivalry with other districts. This is strengthened through family, friend and work relationships, as that rivalry adds to discussion, banter and the general relationship. Example - I started a new job last week - organised by a mate who is a Dragons fanatic. He tyold everyone that I'm an Eels supporter. My new boss, and the head honch are also dragons fans, and the rivalry has broken the ice, and begun the banter between us that strengthens our relatiopnship. In a one team town, does that happen?

There is an argument that an Adelaide or Perth side is a long term investment. Breaking down local AFL parochialism and greabbing a Bronco sized slice of the local crowd, merchandise, TV and sponsorship revinue is the dream. We have seen with the 4 big cross-code inroads: The Swans, the Lions, The Warrior and the Storm, that the average Toyota Park/CUA Stadium/Kogarah crowd can easily be duplicated. However, it takes a premiership - or at least a GF appearance - to galvanise any support or adoption of the team in the general public of that area.

Auckland is a classic example. Similar size to Adelaide, but with a bigger population in the sattelite commuinities (I'm thinking Napier/Rotorua/Whangarei etc). They support a S14 side well. They need private ownership to support the Warriors, who only come alive at finals time. Their soccer team transferred to Wellington.

The Storm is another example. Their home crowds are no better than the average Sydney club. Their TV exposure doesn't warrant C9 to show them in ratings hour. Yet, they are constantly held up as a 'future of RL' club. I hope the new stadium works for them. I hope their games do get shown at a decent hour.

Compare them to Newcastle - 12 times smaller.

Most of the 'expansion' argument is driven by the map fillers - that is - those who see the capital cities as the only areas that matter. Have a team in the 5 mainland state capitals, and you are a national sport. Have a team in 8 different locations - 8 of the top 10 population areas in Australia plus Auckland), and you are not national. Go figure the sense in that!

Adelaide has to not only duplicate Cronulla's home crowd, but it's TV ratings, junior production AND sponsorship to even come close to justifying it;s existance at the expense of Cronulla. Not to mention the damage it would do to kill off the rivalry with St George - one of the key contests which underpin the NRL. And then it has to make up the equivalent of the Leagues club grant.

I'd love to see Adelaide back. But not to drag 10000 east coast expats to each home game that the rest of the city couldn't give a rats about.

We don't need a London Broncos in the NRL.
 

Ausguy

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exactly if its a relocated team its gonna die... if its an adelaide team in its own right it might work!
 

Scarves

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Agree with Loudstrat here. League in Australia has developed unique and incredible rivaries. Some of the oldest and deepest are right here in Sydney, and the intangible stuff is no better demonstrated than within this very forum.

I'm a Manly supporter, but enough with the rubbish, I really miss heading to North Sydney Oval standing in line to get a pie and engaging in some old school banter with a Bears fan at a derby match. The way Sydney is situated geographically, the area's represented by their teams generally wouldn't float to other clubs, lose a Sydney Club, we'd probably lose those fans and it would take a generation to get them back. This especially goes for the Sutherland Shire area, though I wouldn't be throwing effort or money after foolishness.

I like the idea of expansion, but not to Perth and not to Adelaide and not because it sounds cool or flossy. It needs to be strategic or it will be a waste of time, while the relocation of a Sydney team should require careful consideration before any dazzling jump. I'd rather strategically see the consolidation of two more Queensland teams and the Bears back on the Central Coast before any move to AFL stronghold outposts - and by saying that I don't mean to offend people who follow league in those states, It just makes more sense to me as the Central Coast and still most of Qld is an unrepresented but League-Strong area where there should be footy saturation. Real League areas are the ones that develop rivalries, and rivalries develop the spirit of the game.
 

Vossy

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this forum is full of hypocritical, illiterate, brain dead, f*ckwits without a shred of credibility

we took the f'n inicitive and have taken to promoting league in adelaide, i dont see any of your f'n clubs doing anything to help grow the game, except all you dickheads are on here ripping into my club because you lifeless morons have nothing else to do..get a f'n clue or f*ck off

No one is disagreeing with what Zappia has suggested... but it appears somewhat hypocritical to the rest of the RL community that he is leading the push for NRL handouts when his own club is showing little restraint in these tough economic times and has still been signing players i.e. Maitua, Afamasaga etc.

OMFG...WE HAVE TO HAVE A TEAM AND IN ORDER TO HAVE A TEAM WE NEED TO SIGN PLAYERS :roll: :crazy: did you not look and see how many players we lost compared to how many we signed..we had much room to move IN the salary cap..so we brought decent players unlike the sh!t anderson and raper brought

Maitua - takes bird spot (but for ONE season)
afamasaga - cheap as f'n chips

THINK BEFORE YOU POST FFS

Exactly, i have no sympathy they have everything going for them ,new grandstand great facilities, Aust Coach, rep players and they still can't get their act together and make a profit. you only need a few parasites to attract more to bring the building down.

the govt gave us that grant to upgrade our home ground..like all grounds they need to be maintained and updated..like newcastle got, like the dragons got, like manly and the tigers SHOULD get

now be like your name and be gone ffs
 

bartman

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What makes everyone think the Sharks would "relocate" to Adelaide?
Because when you develop a new area, make it your main home, and then drop your old Sydney-based team into the lower division comp (is it Bundy Cup or something this year?), then that's essentially a relocation ;-)

But in all seriousness, the rest of your post was spot on. Good on the Sharks for looking to develop and shore up the game itself, and the club's future existence.
 

bartman

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I do find it amusing that supporters of other sydney clubs cant wait for cronulla to move to adelaide.... do they think that that would save 1 or a number of sydney teams from going under???

A team that moves to adelaide is the death sentance for other sydney clubs. Its not like cronulla fans will go for souths cos the sharks moved, i guarantee that.
Fair point.

Lets say they did go to adelaide.... it would leave some sydney clubs feeling quite vulnerable and alone
Really? Who...? This is the Shire we're talking about - geographically apart from other areas of Sydney, and apparently proud of it. Can't see the rest of Sydney missing not having a team in that neck of the woods - Sydney certainly coped between 1908 and 1967 without...
 

Vossy

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once a team moves, then there will be another team getting ready to move...because nothing will change except for the fact there is one less team in sydney, supporters will either still support them with some anger, or just give it up all together, due to the NRL going balls up and not helping all clubs through these tough times
 

Loudstrat

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this forum is full of hypocritical, illiterate, brain dead, f*ckwits without a shred of credibility

we took the f'n inicitive and have taken to promoting league in adelaide, i dont see any of your f'n clubs doing anything to help grow the game, except all you dickheads are on here ripping into my club because you lifeless morons have nothing else to do..get a f'n clue or f*ck off



OMFG...WE HAVE TO HAVE A TEAM AND IN ORDER TO HAVE A TEAM WE NEED TO SIGN PLAYERS :roll: :crazy: did you not look and see how many players we lost compared to how many we signed..we had much room to move IN the salary cap..so we brought decent players unlike the sh!t anderson and raper brought

Maitua - takes bird spot (but for ONE season)
afamasaga - cheap as f'n chips

THINK BEFORE YOU POST FFS



the govt gave us that grant to upgrade our home ground..like all grounds they need to be maintained and updated..like newcastle got, like the dragons got, like manly and the tigers SHOULD get

now be like your name and be gone ffs

Aaah Cronulla fans. As eloquent as anyone who has spent life on a beach each night with a bottle of brown muscat, 4 mates and a 14yo shag.

Our clubs, some of which saved the code from the traitor-wagon you twats jumped onto a decade ago, fought the good fight that saved your arse. In return, your limp wristed club lumbered us with a debt to Murdoch that threatenes the existance of the code.

So, for Cronulla's efforts in protecting Rugby Leagues assets and integrity, I hope you find a new home in Adelaide. In fact, better still, f*ck off to Antarctica. I'm sure the penguine will relish someone new with an arse they can kick like we all do.
 

MsStorm

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this forum is full of hypocritical, illiterate, brain dead, f*ckwits without a shred of credibility

we took the f'n inicitive and have taken to promoting league in adelaide, i dont see any of your f'n clubs doing anything to help grow the game, except all you dickheads are on here ripping into my club because you lifeless morons have nothing else to do..get a f'n clue or f*ck off



OMFG...WE HAVE TO HAVE A TEAM AND IN ORDER TO HAVE A TEAM WE NEED TO SIGN PLAYERS :roll: :crazy: did you not look and see how many players we lost compared to how many we signed..we had much room to move IN the salary cap..so we brought decent players unlike the sh!t anderson and raper brought

Maitua - takes bird spot (but for ONE season)
afamasaga - cheap as f'n chips

THINK BEFORE YOU POST FFS



the govt gave us that grant to upgrade our home ground..like all grounds they need to be maintained and updated..like newcastle got, like the dragons got, like manly and the tigers SHOULD get

now be like your name and be gone ffs

Good on you Vossy for sticking up for your club. And well done for taking a game to Adelaide..excellent move.
 

adamkungl

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Aaah Cronulla fans. As eloquent as anyone who has spent life on a beach each night with a bottle of brown muscat, 4 mates and a 14yo shag.

Our clubs, some of which saved the code from the traitor-wagon you twats jumped onto a decade ago, fought the good fight that saved your arse. In return, your limp wristed club lumbered us with a debt to Murdoch that threatenes the existance of the code.

So, for Cronulla's efforts in protecting Rugby Leagues assets and integrity, I hope you find a new home in Adelaide. In fact, better still, f*ck off to Antarctica. I'm sure the penguine will relish someone new with an arse they can kick like we all do.

I thought you didn't want any Sydney teams to die...
 

Nemesis

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this forum is full of hypocritical, illiterate, brain dead, f*ckwits without a shred of credibility

we took the f'n inicitive and have taken to promoting league in adelaide, i dont see any of your f'n clubs doing anything to help grow the game, except all you dickheads are on here ripping into my club because you lifeless morons have nothing else to do..get a f'n clue or f*ck off



OMFG...WE HAVE TO HAVE A TEAM AND IN ORDER TO HAVE A TEAM WE NEED TO SIGN PLAYERS :roll: :crazy: did you not look and see how many players we lost compared to how many we signed..we had much room to move IN the salary cap..so we brought decent players unlike the sh!t anderson and raper brought

Maitua - takes bird spot (but for ONE season)
afamasaga - cheap as f'n chips

THINK BEFORE YOU POST FFS



the govt gave us that grant to upgrade our home ground..like all grounds they need to be maintained and updated..like newcastle got, like the dragons got, like manly and the tigers SHOULD get

now be like your name and be gone ffs
"Hypocritical, illiterate, brain dead, f*ckwits"... you describe yourself well, Vossy. Yours is not the only club who have taken the initiative to promote League in other states, so get off your high horse.

Also, the Sharks have lost fewer players than they have signed. They have signed about 18 players and re-signed a similar number, so they have done quite well in the recruitment stakes compared to many other clubs, moron.

The point is, you don't go leading the charge to ask for $100k handouts especially when you have bought all these players and have to take out a $500K loan to pay all your staff before Christmas.

Your club has already been bailed out twice by the ARL and Super League, so perhaps it's about time you 42 year old virgins stopped trying to send yourselves broke by buying a premiership. The Sharks would get a lot more sympathy if they managed themselves responsibly and showed some restraint in these tough economic times, instead of asking for handouts from the NRL.

PERHAPS IT'S YOU WHO SHOULD THINK BEFORE POSTING, IDIOT...
 
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Inferno

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Buying all these players?

How many clubs aren't spending up to the cap these days you dozy twat?
 

NGR

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Buying all these players?

How many clubs aren't spending up to the cap these days you dozy twat?
you have missed the point completely......

now was that sand out of your vag in move along... :lol:
 

Vossy

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](*,)sorry for filling up our cap moron, and no we lost as many players as we signed, through NYC > PL > NRL..instead of buying rubbish players, we used our money well and brought decent players instead of hacks, why so upset, affraid souths will start to look worse

your silly post nemesis = code for "want cronulla out of the comp"..when you say, bought all these players they shouldnt have, f*ck off

your basing your assumptions on a silly media article, you truely are a mislead child if you believe EVERYTHING you read in the paper

there is also the fact you all take time out of all your miserable lives to bash my club..no wonder this league is going up sh!t creek with people like you lot of zeelots supporting it and hoping for clubs to die

idiots of the highest order..pull ya f**king heads in
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thank you ms ;-)
 
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NGR

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](*,)sorry for filling up our cap moron, and no we lost as many players as we signed, through NYC > PL > NRL..instead of buying rubbish players, we used our money well and brought decent players instead of hacks, why so upset, affraid souths will start to look worse

your silly post nemesis = code for "want cronulla out of the comp"..when you say, bought all these players they shouldnt have, f*ck off

your basing your assumptions on a silly media article, you truely are a mislead child if you believe EVERYTHING you read in the paper

there is also the fact you all take time out of all your miserable lives to bash my club..no wonder this league is going up sh!t creek with people like you lot of zeelots supporting it and hoping for clubs to die

idiots of the highest order..pull ya f**king heads in
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thank you ms ;-)

Maybe souths have filled up our cap with rubbish players and you have brought well... thats not the point.

Point is if you are going bust and cannot afford to pay these wonderful players, maybe you shouldnt spend the whole cap AND survive.

and as for bashing your club... you are talking to souths fans, the most targeted club on here... im sure you have had your fair share of digs at us at one point in time...
 

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