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Queensland - the TRUE MYTH

babyg

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So Sydney averages 139757 per game does it ? I don't think so.

Do you realise because Sydney has so many teams it is costing the NRL money because not only are the crowds watered down but the TV ratings would be watered down too.

But I do agree. You can't just go chopping and cutting teams. It'll hurt the game. So we are basically in a rut. I do think losing Cronulla wouldn't have the least impact on the Sydney market so we should just do it.
 

Apey

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I'm still waiting for some of the idiotic QLDers (and perhaps non-QLDers? Don't know who some people support..) to catch on that the OP is comparing total state averages.

Annnnny minute now.
 

lockyrulz

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Maybe we don't care, because the point is well, pointless.

What QLD has is an effective local comp, and 3 NRL teams that play competitivley and make a profit.

NSW doesn't. NSW should have the right amount of teams so that they can do the same, they don't. Why? Because they are dumb, like you.
 

Timmah

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It's the old chestnut of alienating your core market in the vain effort to get new viewers. The sacrifice, in Sydney's case won't be worth it.

We can probably afford to lose a max 1-2 teams, Cronulla the obvious choice. After that, you're eating away at your core market and that will cost the game far more than the supposedly poor following Sydney clubs have at the moment.
 

Timmah

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So how many QLD clubs are going bankrupt again?
:lol:! Missed this little gem. Up until this decade, any team that didn't have colours of maroon and gold and called themselves the Broncos was unprofitable and a waste of time in SE Queensland.

Three failed Gold Coast ventures (although admittedly the Chargers were asset-rich) and the SQ Crushers going by the wayside are evidence that Queensland RL isn't as how as all get out.

And the only reason NSW clubs are going broke is because too many have relied on Leagues Clubs grants and the state govts. pokie tax is crippling the sport. The blame for that falls on the Carr & Iemma governments, not our clubs or fans.
 

badav

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They just simply don't understand Sydney at all.

Merging/cutting teams doesn't mean bigger crowds. Cutting the number of teams won't increase the crowds for the teams that are left. All it will do is alienate core support...


Its more of an ideal way of thinking that something that would actually happen. Everyone knows that when teams are merged or cut many fans are lost to the game of Rugby League.

I live on the North Shore in Bears Heartland about 10 minutes from North Sydney oval and Rugby League is an absolute minority sport in this area. Most people couldnt give a flying nut about rugby league. You wont even be able to watch it on the main screen at your local pub most of the time.
 

TheBourbonBeast

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:lol:! Missed this little gem. Up until this decade, any team that didn't have colours of maroon and gold and called themselves the Broncos was unprofitable and a waste of time in SE Queensland.

Three failed Gold Coast ventures (although admittedly the Chargers were asset-rich) and the SQ Crushers going by the wayside are evidence that Queensland RL isn't as how as all get out.

And the only reason NSW clubs are going broke is because too many have relied on Leagues Clubs grants and the state govts. pokie tax is crippling the sport. The blame for that falls on the Carr & Iemma governments, not our clubs or fans.


But how many of the current 3 are going bankrupt?
 

MacDougall

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So Sydney averages 139757 per game does it ? I don't think so.

Yeah what the hell? Is this a typo or something?

It seems obvious to me that Brisbane alone averages more per game than anybody else and Brisbane has a smaller population that Sydney so how can the game average go in a combined Sydney's favour?

Even without the figures we can all assume that the Average home crowd in Brisbane is around 30k and the Average in Sydney is around 20k at best. Whatever figures OP is using suck. I see your point in saying that that many MORE people go to games in Sydney but there is only like one game a weekend in Brisbane at best as opposed to sometimes 4 or maybe even 5 in Sydney. I reckon if there was a South Brisbane team it wouldn't dint the Suncorp figures at all and would probably get the same if not slightly less crowd figures.
 

Sam I Am

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Maybe we don't care, because the point is well, pointless.

What QLD has is an effective local comp, and 3 NRL teams that play competitivley and make a profit.

NSW doesn't. NSW should have the right amount of teams so that they can do the same, they don't. Why? Because they are dumb, like you.

Quoted for truth.

We have been through the tough times up here, when the BRL was decimated post-Broncos. The QRL has put the hard yards in and today we have the Queensland Cup as an outstanding competition that respects its history. As I speak Norths are playing Souths-Logan on the ABC in the 100th anniversary match (of Norths v Toombul in 1909). In contrast, NSW cannot organise a decent second-tier competition to save themselves.

With respect to club attendences, the Broncos have been there in the late 90s. With hard work, and a decent stadium they have almost doubled their attendences since the turn of the century.

The Sydney idea of hard work was scrape money from the poker machines. While you southerners are all happy to have a good whinge at your State government for taxing this source of revenue, not too many clubs are willing to put in the hard yards. Therefore, some Sydney teams continue to be an embarrassment to the competition.
 

MacDougall

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MacDougall, your 2009 predictions are woeful! lol...

Haha I know. I made them before Sheens was named Aussie Coach, before the season began and I was close in saying Farah wouldn't get the NSW jersey but he will now. Matty Head hasn't had a chance at the Dragons. Gallant has played one game. Benji is looking good though :lol:. Hey my tip on the Dragons isn't looking too bad either.
 

Loudstrat

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I brought this statistic up in another thread but I'm still amazed by it.

Explain LS or OVP how Townsville out-drew Sydney in a Kangaroo's World Cup test game?
Probably because North Queenslanders, like Newcastle, are great supporters of RL, and embrace the few rep games they get. Many more are deserved.

Now you explain why NQ league fans are so supportive of League when Brisbane residences are not?

Of COURSE Sydney is still league heartland. I don't care what any other Qlder says, the fact remains that they get HUGE amounts of bums on seats down there.

What a lot of people then need to realise is that, although twice the amount of people attend games, those figures are being spread between NINE times the amount of teams. That's when we get into the nitty gritty nasty details of it all. If there wasn't so much history attached to the clubs there, Sydney would be better served having 4-5 teams who could all draw 25,000-30,000 most weekends and might have the ability to keep their head afloat.
Sadly, that situation will never happen for a myriad of reasons to do with geography and transport, tribalism - which is accentuated by constant attacks from interstate fans whch does nothing but get Sydney clubs fans backs up, and the fact that Sydney clubs are still surviving. Cronulla may be on the doorstep of oblivion, but the club is trying everything it can to stay afloat. How did the Crushers and the first 3 Gold Coast attempts go - and how did league fans in SEQ allow them to die or be railroaded out of existance by the one club that not only propagated theiur death, but replaced a healthy Brisbane comp with one game every 2 weeks?

It doesnt matter what state the team is in, crowd averages are what count to clubs
Crowd totals matter to the code.

Why on earth are Brisbane fans only half as likely to attend an NRL game as their Sydney counterparts?

Cronulla can't go to the bank and say yes we only get 5000 to a game, but Sydney gets more people in "total" than Qld does, so can we have 100million?
I know. So?



As someone else said in this thread, try going to the bank with this logic to get money. They will laugh at you on the way out the door.

Guess the don't teach you kids stats in school any more...:p
And your counter argument is......?

Where are these stats flawed?

Or is the flaw in your brain? Try going to the bank with only "Your bank manager is a f*cktard" logic and see if you get money. Maybe if you carry a swan off and wear a stoicking on your head - ffs.

FACT: MELBOURNE GETS AS MANY GAMES AS BRISBANE! Brisbane residents clearly have a thirs for the game - but those in power up there - be it the NRL, QRL or Broncos, have severely undersold the population - and taken the focus away by saying "Look at Sydney! Look at Sydney!"

Well, look at Sydney. Twice as likely to go to a game. Now look in your own backyard.

Brisbane league fans have more to worry about than they think. Average home crowds in Brisbane in the early 1990's were up around the 50k mark. They built a brand new classic stadium in an ideal location - and have lost on average of 20k per game.

The QRL and Broncos have forever bagged the ARL, but the ARL is the only mob trying to give this League starved former stronghold more games.

What have the QRL done to keep the numbers flowing in? Why do the Broncos have a history of doing everything to prevent other SEQ teams from operating? Why is the only concrete plan for a 17th side coming from the Bears at Gosford? Why is the most advanced plan for another QLD NRL side coming from a region which hardly has the population to support a side -but is at least having a go?
 

Sam I Am

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Or is the flaw in your brain? Try going to the bank with only "Your bank manager is a f*cktard" logic and see if you get money. Maybe if you carry a swan off and wear a stoicking on your head - ffs.

Are you on acid?

Among the many flaws in the logic: (1) any arbitrary sample size can be selected to produce the desired result. (2) crowds per capita don't bring in the dollars. It is actual people through the gate. And far too many Sydney clubs don't get many though the gate.

FACT: MELBOURNE GETS AS MANY GAMES AS BRISBANE! Brisbane residents clearly have a thirs for the game - but those in power up there - be it the NRL, QRL or Broncos, have severely undersold the population - and taken the focus away by saying "Look at Sydney! Look at Sydney!"

Given that there is one active bid in Queensland, and one in planning (Sunshine Coast), I am not sure how you say that nothing is going on.

That said we do look at Sydney... with sympathy.

Brisbane league fans have more to worry about than they think. Average home crowds in Brisbane in the early 1990's were up around the 50k mark. They built a brand new classic stadium in an ideal location - and have lost on average of 20k per game.

Statistics aren't your strong point, are they? Or spelling, but let's leave that for the moment. Have a chat to your teacher on Monday if you need some remedial help.

The Broncos peaked, at ANZ Stadium at an average 43k. It dropped to in 2001 to 19k. The Broncos have built it back up to 38k. One of the highest of any code in the country.

So in eight years they have doubled their average attendance. I am sure that when you misapply your statistics Cronulla really get 120,000 per match. :lol:

Why is the only concrete plan for a 17th side coming from the Bears at Gosford?

The Rockhampton has already been formally announced.http://www.themorningbulletin.com.au/story/2009/04/17/nrl-bosses-support-cq-nrl-bid/

Why is the most advanced plan for another QLD NRL side coming from a region which hardly has the population to support a side -but is at least having a go?

You have just contradicted yourself. You said there was no other concrete plan... then referred to one.:lol:
 

Loudstrat

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LOL. Spelling mistakes. The ultimate response when your argument is lost.

I won't bother to point out yours.

Enjoy your 12 games a year lol!
 

Sam I Am

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LOL. Spelling mistakes. The ultimate response when your argument is lost.

I won't bother to point out yours.

Enjoy your 12 games a year lol!

That would be because you need to spell before being able to locate errors. I will enjoy the Broncos games this season. Not least of all because I will be at them.

It's quite a pity that there aren't as many Sydney-siders willing to get behind their teams as there are Broncos fans willing to get behind theirs. They're sure to have a good excuse though.

Hope that use of there/their/they're didn't throw you.
 

Loudstrat

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Yes, pity Brisbane cannot sustain more than 12 games per season, when Sydney, with a shade over 2x the population, has 9x more games.

Sydneysiders are willing to get behind their teams - at almost twice the rate as Brisbanites. :lol:
 
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